The biggest Mary Sue in comics

The biggest Mary Sue in comics.

Are they standing behind Doom? I don't see them.

No, the Mary Sue is the most intelligent human being there is also the most capable scientist there is also the most powerful sorcerer there is also the most capable ruler there apparently can do no wrong in the eyes of his fancucks.

That's not the Punisher.

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Moon Girl?

>Neal Adams

> most capable
Please, Doom's massive showboating is because he's knows he's second to Richards and Strange

Mary Sue in the making, but she hasn't any fancucks.

Portrayed as a mentally-ill man for 40 years already. Not a Mary Sue.

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Being the close-second best in two entirely different fields (when any of these fields would put you among the bests of the world) is still ridiculous.

Without counting the whole "a god said that Doom can do no wrong" thing.

Mary. Sue.

When written correctly DOOM isn't a Mary Sue if anything he has the biggest flaw of all, he's possibly the most capable man in existence besides maybe his direct Rival and all that's stopping him is the fact he's an asshole who's alienated anyone who could help him and his ego causes him to do stupid shit.
You can be the best without being a Mary Sue so long as you have flaws apart from that.

You don't need fans to be a Mary Sue, user.

When your flaw is "I am kind of an asshole", while your qualities are being the best at everything, ever, then you're a fucking Mary Sue.

Being "the best at everything ever that can do no wrong" is the qualifier here.

You're right. Good thing DOOM isn't kind of an asshole. He's a massive fucking asshole who constantly does wrong because he's an asshole.

"Mary Sue in the making".

Let me reformulate, then.

>When your flaw is "I am a massive asshole", while your qualities are being the best at everything, ever, and even a GOD suck your cock because you're so fucking perfect at everything, then you're a fucking Mary Sue.

Your definition of Mary Sue seems pretty lax then if a character can have massive flaws but still be a Mary Sue.

Man, c'mon.

The guy is PERFECT at everything. He can do EVERYTHING, using or science, or magic, or time travel. Marvel writers go out of their way just to show how his cock is so fabulous that GODS bend their knees for it.

>Bu-but he is asshole

Fuck you.

Yes all the shit he can do is undercut by him being an asshole. That's his folly. In the end with everything he can do and accomplish he'll fail or even undo it himself because his petty ego will fuck him up.

>Reed Richards shitposting again
Mods how about you do your fucking jobs. They keep breaking Global Rules, permaban them already.
> Do not speak ill will of Doom

Doom should build a wall and make Richards pay for it.

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>The guy is perfect at everything imaginable
>Is mean spirited

If you think that the later balances the former, you're an idiot.

Except that's wrong, he's second in all those fields at best and which plays into is meaningful flaw: his egotism. He could have fixed the entire world several times over but he can't get over the fact that there are people who are better than him, with loftier goals and more moral methods as well.

Obviously it does since its why he constantly fails.

The latter does balance the former when its his undoing.

The thing that makes Mary Sues annoying is the simple fact that the universe, the narrative, the author are all bending over backwards, forwards and sideways to suck the sue's dick. That's all it is, and most times it's happening in the most unsubtle and obnoxious way possible. Being the strongest ever, forever and ever is a pretty common form of this, so much so that many take the overpowered thing as being the whole problem and not just a symptom of it. You can have an overpowered character be completely irrelevant to the plot and story, but a Sue always has to be relevant. More than that, they have to be the most relevant thing ever, in every situation.

The Mary Sue is simply a character that exists to be catered to, and nothing and no one else matters but themselves and their opinion. Extreme examples have other people simply be echo boxes worshiping the Sue and parroting it's views while condemning all those who do not do so. Those that the Sue likes or agree with it are good and those that don't are bad. Nothing else matters.

He is not a mary sue because he is FLAWED , his schemes always fail, or he gets stopped by the heroes eventually.

>Except that's wrong, he's second in all those fields
Oh, sorry, he isn't the best at everything, he is just the second best at everything. Not a Mary Sue at all.

Dr. Doom is a deeply flawed character (pride, rage, arrogance) that is hated by most of the characters in the stories he's in. Basically the opposite of a sue. He can't be a villain sue either, because he's lost in almost every appearance he has.

No he's not.

Yes, and I fucking love it.

>replacing Kyle, Corran and Kyp for weeb trash
Disgusting.

>being this triggered over doom
what a literal faggot

>The guy is perfect at everything imaginable
Except at making friends and allies, which is why he always looses to teamed up heroes. If you're too retarded to understand a lesson for children then you may just want to delete yourself from the gene pool.

See, with Squirrel Girl it was originally a joke, plus everyone either hated her or viewed her with contempt.
Then Marvel ran it into the ground.

>the universe, the narrative, the author are all bending over backwards, forwards and sideways to suck the sue's dick.

Doom qualifies.

> That's all it is, and most times it's happening in the most unsubtle and obnoxious way possible.

Doom qualifies.

>Being the strongest ever, forever and ever is a pretty common form of this, so much so that many take the overpowered thing as being the whole problem and not just a symptom of it.

Doom qualifies.

> You can have an overpowered character be completely irrelevant to the plot and story, but a Sue always has to be relevant.

Doom qualifies.

>B-but his also a dick.

Oh, I am so sorry, he doesn't qualifies, then.

>which is why he always looses
>Doom
>losing
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>If you're too retarded to understand a lesson for children then you may just want to delete yourself from the gene pool.
The retards are the ones that think that Dr. Doom is somewhat a complex character.

Nice obfuscation from the point that you think Doom is character than never loses (built into the mary sue definition) when he loses almost every time he doesn't team up with the heroes

user, using a joke character is not a good rebuttal.

Huh funny that the f4 and Avengers always beat him then, they must just be bigger Mary Sues though.

>the f4 and Avengers always beat him

>he loses to the heroes like every villain, therefore this invalidates the fact that he is so perfect that a god sucked his cock.

>one sue moment 60 years into a character's history defines the character as a Sue
If you can only point to a singular shit event comic, you're really grasping for straws.
>like every villain
Because villains cannot be Mary Sues you mongoloid, Mary Sues, by definition have to always win and be beloved, which traditional Supervillains (which doom is the epitome of) are not.

I think we've started off on the wrong page, here. A Mary Sue isn't just someone who's good at everything. They also have to be loved unanimously and the center of everything. Someone who can do no wrong. Doom does lots of things wrong.

>HHH as a retainer

That guy is gunning for your crown as we speak.

>Because villains cannot be Mary Sues you mongoloid
They CAN, the "Villain Sue" expression exists, which Doom is the epitome of.

It's not a Mary Sue when it's the villain.

A villain sue is something different from a Mary Sue in the first place, but even then Doom is not one since he gets wrecked constantly at the hands' of heroes. You're thinking of a character like Grail, or Thanos (who always loses by MUH OWN SELF DEFEATING NATURE).
So now we've moved the goalposts to him being a Villain Sue rather than a Mary Sue, this should be fun. You're such a fucking faggot mate.

Of course we did, Sup Forums wouldn't know a Mary Sue if their own sister saved the world while quipping and dragging them along for the ride

Except he's none of those things. Reed is smarter, Strange is better with magic, and T'Challa is a better ruler.

If I remember correctly the god only allowed those without any self doubt to pass. Doom passes because he is absolutely 100% convinced that the world would be better off under his rule, which makes sense because the character's defining trait is his massive ego. The God wasn't The sucking Doom's cock, it was shocked that anyone could believe such a thing so strongly.

>They also have to be loved unanimously and the center of everything.

Isn't he beloved in Latveria? The country that looks like shit loves him, he is apparently a very good dictator. Not that I am really surprised, he is the best at everything, after all.

> Someone who can do no wrong. Doom does lots of things wrong.

According to a GOD itself, Doom, in fact, can do no wrong. The heroes are the baddies for getting in his way to success.

But remember, he is also an asshole, so he isn't a Mary Sue and is actually the most complex character of all time.

This is why comics aren't take seriously.

>Superman
>Not champion
Negro what?

>center of everything, meaning the entire narrative
>haha he's a ruler of a fictional country so that means he's the center of everything in the narrative
Not even the star of the comics he appears in, hated by the stars of that comic, too.

Nigger there are tons of gods that are villains in Marvel. You are beyond retarded. Some oogabooga Panther god from a trash comic is not the end all be all moment for the character. Funny you keep returning to that though, rather than the part of the comic where he gets beaten by the heroes, proving he and that god wrong.

>Isn't he beloved in Latveria?

the same way Kim Jong-il was beloved, yes

>he gets wrecked constantly at the hands' of heroes
Only to be retconned a Doombot in his next appearance.

>MUH OWN SELF DEFEATING NATURE
Funny, because you guys were saying moments ago that Doom is such a complex character because of his self-defeating nature.

>This is why comics aren't take seriously.
Comics aren't taken seriously because of autists like you

>only retconned to be a Doombot in later appearances
Yea I'm done, you're either violently autistic or baiting (inb4 GOT YOU LOL)

No, because a best-at-everything-dictator-that-is-an-asshole is apparently the best thing that a comic can do.

>Someone doesn't think that Doom is complex, he must be crazy

Get fucked.

I didn't say any lie. In fact, the last time that Doom was defeated it was ALREADY retconned to a Doombot.

Either cite your sources or receive no credit kiddo. But extrapolating that to the hundreds of defeats he's had is unfathomably dishonest.

it's a shame that Mary sue just became another way of saying "character I don't like" instead of being used for actual Mary sues

"Mary Sue" was always applied to "character good at everything that can do no wrong". Doom qualifies big time.

Nope, it's a character beloved by everyone in the story, that always wins and is the main character
None of which apply to doom.

>Nope, it's a character beloved by everyone in the story, that always wins and is the main character
The original "Mary Sue" that created the term wouldn't be a Mary Sue, according to you.

But okay, the character that is the best at everything, can do no wrong in the eyes of Gods, that conquers the world and then give it back just to show off how easy is to him to do what he wants when he wants, that is "actually a Doombot" when defeated is NOT a Mary Sue.

He is just a shit-writers' pet.

Why didn't you just use that term in the first place? Or just plain say he is a shitty character?

>Why didn't you just use that term in the first place?
Because I still believe that he is a Mary Sue, but the term triggers ridiculous rebuttals like "how can he be a Mary Sue if he is a villain? Check-Mate!".

You can't do it with "Shit-writers' Pet".

> Or just plain say he is a shitty character?
But I am saying it.

>But I am saying it.
No, you're saying he's a very specific type of shitty character. One whose meaning no one can agree on.

Yes, she would, she literally defines the term and you are purposefully making up your own definition to stir shit. Doom is defined by his flaws, not by anything positive. He literally cannot be a Mary Sue you drooling fuckmonkey.