Convince me he's not a conservative

Convince me he's not a conservative
>inb4 republicans are racist
Conservative, not a member of a political party

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He's neither.

He's centrist/idealist.
He wants to be a hero for all Americans (left and right, all 51 states)
USAgent is conservative Cap

He doesn't hate minorities or the poor, and he doesn't love mindlessly following government orders.

>all 51 states
Uhhhh.

Cap is clearly a libertarian.

Ignoring the idea he's a New Deal Democrat.
Anyone have that image of Cap railing against Big Oil for keeping down the Electric car and No Social Programs for Inner City Schools?

Though ultimately Cap probably shouldn't 100% subscribe to conservatism or liberalism.

>doesn't hate the poor
>tolerant and accepting of social progress
That was hard

Considering the time he's from, especially growing up in the Depression, he probably a New Deal Democract and I think that was said somewhere before. For his time that probably made him a liberal progressive, but I guess in the context of today's political landscape it's more centrist.

He's liberal in the old American left sense. He's a pro-labor New Deal kind of guy from back when the working class made up the core of the American left. Steve's politics are equally alien to the modern American right and to the hollowed out carcass of liberalism that tries to pass itself off as the American left.

The right dinates a lot more to the poor.

Democrats funded kkk.

either he's just a person doing the right thing no labels and no sides hes not bettering america he's bettering the world

I'd need to convince you to read comics first, which it's impossible to convince a casual to do, so I'd sooner just suggest you neck yourself.

neither*

Conservative
Liberal
Feminism

Just a few words that no longer have meaning. Idealogocal identities that no one can agree on what they stand for.
People cling to them for the sake of ease. Its easier for me to ask what you are, and use my predefined definition to assume your points of view.
We could all be far more productive if we just throw out the group labels and argued policy or issue, but thats harder to do because then youd have to listen.

> he doesn't love mindlessly following government orders.
It was the Democrats that bombed Japan and Obama has no problem drone striking hospitals and causing civil war in the Middle East despite winning the peace prize. The fact that you think mindlessly following government orders is a Republican trait is ignorant. Democrats have no problem with acting violent, violating human rights, and even banning certain countries from entering their country as along as it's a Democratic President running the show.

>democrats
>left

Spooks bro. If you haven't look into Max Stirner

>donates more
>while cutting social programs
You're falling for it user

I'm not sure you understand America's modern political climate.

A New Deal Democrat would be blasted as a hardline communist. Modern Democrats are only slightly to the left of Regan Republicans, and modern Republicans are so far to the right that you're seeing them regularly applaud fascism nowadays.

>Democrats protest government injustice
>Republicans demand that everybody support everything their president does or says and if they don't they're traitors and deserve to die

Read the OP you idiots.

Agree 100%.

Horrible writing.

They actually have meanings but you're stubbornly refusing to learn them.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomad_(comics)#Steve_Rogers

>it directly disproves my preconceived notions of the character that have no basis in reality
>therefore it is horrible

The right donates to charities, not to the poor. As a tax dodge.

Charities are tax-free corporations that give 10% of their earnings to their cause and keep 90% for their employees - most of which, of course, goes to upper management.

Is that why Democrats supported eugenics, Jim Crow Laws, had confirmed members of their party affiliated with the KKK, and continued the Patriot Act they hated so much? Or was it when Obama destabilized the Middle East further than Bush ever could, started more conflict in Syria, while still ignoring the fact that their UAE ally stones female rape victims, throws homosexuals off buildings, and practices slavery. Real progressive.

>Democrats supported eugenics, Jim Crow Laws, had confirmed members of their party affiliated with the KKK
this is of course ignoring the paradigm shift that happened in the 60s where Republicans and Democrats basically flip-flopped positions due to the Voting Rights Act

He voted for FDR and called Cables socialist island utopia the perfect realization of the American Dream.

>actually bringing up pre-Southern Strategy stuff to try and characterize the current Democratic party as the real racists

An experiment.

Go out to a crowded area and say your conducting a survey, bring a clip board. Ask 10+ strangers how they align politically, then ask them to define what that means. Compare your data.
We can argue over who or what determines the meaning of these words until the end of time, and at the rate were going we may just do that.

Example: Feminism
Instead of arguing over what defines a feminist, what feminism is, instead imagine if people united under well defined goal. Such as...equal pay. No I have no interest in arguing about equal pay rates, but if that was a clear goal at least it could be looked at, analyzed, implemented if neccessary. It short cuts so much unneccessary arguing that it actually may reach a result.

Think about whats more important to you, convincing the world your definitions are correct, or getting things done.

Just shut up.

First, convince me his IS a conservative.

Go ahead. I'm waiting.

Truman Democrat...which looks like a conservative compared to today's Democrats.

what a stinging rejoinder

>horrible writing
Well that's a miserable defense, since horrible writing still defines characters, but here's Cap fighting for his gay friend Arnie Roth.

Look up Confucius' Rectification of Names, this is more what he's talking about, not that they don't have actual definitions

Hey user, did you know that Lincoln was a Republican?

Don't respond to me. Don't argue with me. You are growing the fuck up tomorrow.

Can't forget Israel.

Too late.

No. It looks like a communist to today's Dems. You're nuts if you think the Democrats have gone further left since the 40's.

Republicans are very good at being willfully ignorant of everything, especially history.

>Believing the parties switched
No historical evidence for the Southern Strategy causing the parties to switch. Literally none. Nixon was a civil rights activist, do you honestly believe he's not a Republican? Or that he suddenly felt his views of racial politics suddenly weren't compatible with the Republican platform?

Yea is right, Hillary Clinton is about the same place on the spectrum as Romney.

it wasn't like a light switch, but the shift is undeniable. Nixon was the last of the "old" Republican presidents

>Democrats are totally the racist ones. We republicans love civil rights. Also, boy do I fucking hate those shitskins. Redpill me on niggers, Sup Forums!

>"I'll have those niggers voting Democratic for 200 years."
>Lyndon Baines Johnson, Democrat

David Duke was a fucking imperial wizard, and yet he isn't a Democrat.

Really makes you think.

Well Democrats are the ones that want to import poor brown people to work the fields.

see

>Two party retardation shitting up the thread, which was over from minute one because Cap is obviously an idealist progressive as it's the basis of his character, believing in the American dream of success and prosperity for all, as seen in the OP

>Republican farmers in California supported Trump
>now worried they might lose their field laborers
hmmmmmmm

>shitting up the thread
OP did that himself asking about a cartoon's political affiliation

>If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.
Look, it's still working!

It's like people in either party are not part of a hive mind.

>USAgent is conservative Cap
Fucking this.

>Farmers
>voting republican
>union workers
>voting republican
It's never not funny.

He's a fucking cartoon character, he represents the ideology of whoever's writing him

no, Republicans just didn't take Trump at his word and/or thought "oh well surely he doesn't mean ME"

>a Republican farmer in California supporting Trump suddenly being worried they will lose their field laborers even though Trump's entire message was illegals get the fuck out

I believe you have fabricated an alternate, false reality where everyone but you is stupid.

Post of the year

nytimes.com/2017/02/09/us/california-farmers-backed-trump-but-now-fear-losing-field-workers.html

No, people are just really really dumb

Fascism has a meaning too but people have been fucking up that definition for decades, Orwell wrote about it even.

orwell.ru/library/articles/As_I_Please/english/efasc

Fake news

>Approximately 70 percent of all farmworkers here are living in the United States illegally, according to researchers at University of California, Davis.
Good god, I'm voting for Trump in 2020.

Seriously, what the fuck? How did we let it get this bad?

I would argue that while they do have meanings, the narrowness does a poor job of encapsulating the diversity of thought that might be represented within the label. The label is essentially a heuristic, a shortcut to a general meaning, but like heuristics they are prone to errors. For example, consider that label "conservative". The term instantly brings to mind a certain person with a certain set of ideas, however the truth is that there is a much greater diversity that the label evokes. This shortcut hampers communication because many will hear the word conservative and believe the know what an individual is about without taking the time to actually communicate and learn the nuances.

Got anything to back that up, chief?

Do you guys know any legal citizens who would work the hours and pay required to keep produce so cheap?

It's not funny. It's just sad.

Republicans are damn good at preying on fear, and the poor are afraid of a lot of things. It's the same thing Hitler did to galvanize the Germans against the jews.

yes I'm sure losing 70% of the labor force from one of the largest economies in the world will end well

The irony of this statement is heartbreaking.

No but I know a very large harvesting machine that doesn't require pay or sleep.

>An industry based on exploiting poor brown people is ok because it saves money
Did the Democrats really switch with the Republicans?

>You can't argue with me

That sounds a lot like a regressive leftist right there...

We need food but hate picking food and farmers don't want to pay people $7.25 an hour to pick fruit, so no one gets food picking jobs.
No, it's hilarious. Every couple of elections a republican will trick some of my union friends into voting for them and every time it blows up in their face and I rub that shit in their face so hard.

>Got anything to back that up, chief
Yeah, it's called common sense, Kemosabe.

No, I don't mind the content it's the hamfisted way it's presented. Reads like a first year uni student essay.

So what's the solution then? We just continue to import what is, effectively, slave labor until everything gets automated?

He doesn't have to be neither. Contrary to popular belief. A set of perceived values and ideas don't have to define who you are. The new counterculture conservative is no less mistaken than the social justice warriors. The lack of ability to hold your own ideas and share them without punching each other in the face is the reason why the world is in disarray.

Obama was about as left wing as the average right winger was years ago, and Republicans shat themselves over calling him a communist. Regan couldn't even get through a Republican primary if he ran nowadays.

You are flat out retarded if you think there's there's a left wing party in the US today.

Hahahaha holy shit Sup Forums #btfo

So no actual evidence. Got it.

The Liberals are communists.

Why do you think I'm a dem just because I'm anti trump? Fucking two party trap retards.

Yea because those can harvest delicate fruits and vegetables like berries without destroying them. You really think that people are paying for wages when they could use automation? Fucking mong.

I like it.

>an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
>(in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice

Where is it being misused?

You think that's actually a good thing?

>people are moving to cities in droves
>all labor is being replaced with robots
>populist president wants to get rid of football safety regulations
Get ready to live in Mega Cities.

Why dont we judge Hydra Cap's political stance?

>Did the Democrats really switch with the Republicans?

No, they (rather cleverly) changed the way the game is played. They pushed through a suite of welfare programs that they could addict poor non-whites to and then when conservatives opposed it fiscally, they called them racists because the disproportionate amount of people on welfare are colored. Then they got the 1965 immigration act passed which enabled swarms of yet more peasant class non-whites to pour into the country that would get on welfare, become dependent, increase the welfare system, and then be able to deflect any criticism of said welfare by saying opposition was racist. The Democrats, who were the most notorious slavemasters, just exchanged one set of shackles for another, but now minorities willingly chain themselves. It's really rather ingenious of them, if not horrifically evil. Conservatives have been too pussy to really fight back, but now that the racist label has pretty much lost all meaning the tides are turning.

If Cap was in charge we wouldn't have to deal with the Inhumans' bullshit.

it's not a problem with an easy solution

but deportation ain't it

Maybe I should talk to /k/ about living innawoods.

>paradigm shift
youtube.com/watch?v=rrBxZGWCdgs

The paradigm shift was there stopped being injustices to fight over so the left manufactured more.

But then everybody in the country suffers. Every time a Repub is in power they slash government regulations, start a war, and cause another economic downturn.

You don't know what either of those words mean, Cletus.

>it's a 90's kid still thinks Bush was right wing episode

Todays common sense can make you dumb as a turd user