What did the LotR films do better than the books?

What did the LotR films do better than the books?

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Council of Elrond
Grond
Shire
Lighting of the beacons
Last march of the ents
Minas Tirith

Modern English

Every battle.

Getting on with the story

Sarumans Death imo

No one wants to go back to the Shire to see it wrecked fighting another War after the biggest War ever

what was the population of Minas tirith?

No Tom Bombadil

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did you know that the moria troll actually had a dick

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I love that Tolkien described MInas Tirith so perfectly that every depiction, whether it be film, art or animation, has depicted the exact same.

Not bore me to tears.
I've a huge fantasy nerd, but Tolkien's writing is the definition of plodding. You want more plot and character development, yet he would rather spend three pages detailing the etchings on the side of a Hobbit's door, before spending the rest of the chapter having a random Elf break into a poem.

And then the fucking talking trees will spend a hundred pages doing fucking nothing.

Fuck Tolkien. I would rather read about Westorosi tax policy.

The movies improved on the books by making it all about character and adventure. You know, the point of fantasy? It's not a masturbatory exercise for some racist linguist to practice out his made-up languages.

Faramir

I'm listening to an audiobook version of Two Towers (unabridged) at the moment and i'm not sure if i fell asleep or just missed the march of the ents because there didn't seem to be very much detail about it at all.

The pacing

Saruman waking up Caradhras

Combining Eomer and Erkenbrand was a smart move.

The non fellowship characters. People like Eomer and Theoden are much better in the movie

Pretty much everything.

It doesn't happen in the books. It goes from the Entmoot to Isengard already BTFO.

the music

This is fake right? haha

currently there is only a tv show (amazon)

Yeah, it's fake... but for how long?

ending after the third one

But so did the books.

This is fake.
Arwen needs to be white so she can be conquered by bbc Aragorn.
white elven pussy was made for the black man

>Alan Tudyk
>Gollum

I'd watch it.

I liked that they showed the shit between Gandalf and Saruman's betrayal, in the book Gandalf just recites what happened to Frodo.

I never liked how in the book, Frodo waited like 40 years before leaving the Shire.

having a prologue with sauron instead of a prologue talking about hobbit shit for the movie equivalent of an hour

the man had no sense of pacing or dramatic story beats

>ellen page as peregrin took

uh... boner

I agree with Satan. I understand why Tolkien added it but I always saw it as anti climactic

I'd pierce scarlett johansson with many arrows if you know what I mean

Didn't it take gandalf 15 years to discover Bilbo's ring was the one ring?

but the destruction porn would have been fun

this is actual concept art for the movie, I think

Well the scouring was in the movie in a way. You see it in Galdriels mirror

The CGI is better than the books.

The visuals

Debatable, but he really feels too much as the good guy with no real flaws in the book and I give you that it wouldn't have worked for the movies.

Correct answer.

Witcher has it better with detail/character development. Sometimes i wish that there would be more detail in Witcher as you usually know the same as the character.

Boromir's death

>Aragorn knelt beside him. Boromir opened his eyes and strove to speak. At last slow words came. "I tried to take the Ring from Frodo " he said. "I am sorry. I have paid." His glance strayed to his fallen enemies; twenty at least lay there. "They have gone: the Halflings: the Orcs have taken them. I think they are not dead. Orcs bound them." He paused and his eyes closed wearily. After a moment he spoke again.

>"Farewell, Aragorn! Go to Minas Tirith and save my people! I have failed."

>"No!" said Aragorn, taking his hand and kissing his brow. "You have conquered. Few have gained such a victory. Be at peace! Minas Tirith shall not fall!"

>Boromir smiled.

>"Which way did they go? Was Frodo there?" said Aragorn. But Boromir did not speak again.


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I can see. I feel like 100% adaptation would extremely slow-paced.

HEAVILY Underrated

Fuck off. The fundamental goodness of the hobbits and their stupid country ways has to be reinforced at the end. Without that it's too easy to interpret the movie as a blockbuster-style epic.

This, double dubs confirm.

Characterization. The books glossed over all the things you care about in a story with endless descriptions of vague, fort-night journeys.

t. Patrick Rothfuss

I hope you die of an infected anus wound you pleb among plebs

I actually don't like Rothfuss either. I couldn't even finish In the Name of the Wind. I heard it was all fairy-fucking and adventures, then it turns out it's a book about school.

>Boromir dies in seconds compared to a 5 minute Lurtz boss battle and long speech

not really, if you cut EVERY Arwen scene, a lot of the Eowyn ones and quite a few other parts then there'd be maybe an hour and a halfs worth to play with for Bombadil and other scenes.

If Kvothefuss and the Name of the Student Debt bored you but Tolkien did too you must be a Sanderson-fag right? Go take your anime-prosed tomes and shove them up your ass.

I've only read the Mistborn books and The First Law trilogy, but those are exactly what I read fantasy for. It's about adventure and character. It's not meant to be high art or cerebral, and it certainly isn't meant to be fucking boring.

i want to FUCK bombadil's wife in front of him while he says BIP BOP YAHOOO

>ellen page
>peregrin took

>Eddie Reddtimeme as Legolas

Would genuinely be an improvement. Orlando Bloom is fucking terrible in everything he's in.

Literacy is wasted on people like you. You're reading the 21st century equivalent to penny dreadfuls.

yeah the book's soundtrack wasn't that great
Tolkien was a great writer, but couldn't compose to save his life

>i want to FUCK bombadil's wife in front of him while he says BIP BOP YAHOOO

I think it works in showing that soldiers coming back home won't ever find everything exactly how they left it. Especially after a major war that affected everyone in the world.

But from a narrative perspective there shouldn't really be stuff like that after solving the main plot of the story.

It's a hobby. I'm not reading fantasy to get smarter. I'm reading it to enjoy myself and be immersed in another world. I can't do that if the characters are one-dimensional and the plot is eschewed in favor of spending three paragraphs describing bogs and hilltops. How is that an enriching way to spend my freetime? It's dumb.

Clunky old man writing vs pure fucking solid gold classic kino.

It's enriching because Tolkien can actually exercise your imagination, get you thinking about language and geography and tell you stories with more thematic depth than an episode of Gundam. What's enriching about reading Sanderson aside from that you enjoy it and it does less damage to your body than heroin?

I haven't read the books in years, that meme-text genuinely made me feel. After a few more months with the Greeks I think I need to give Tolkien another go.

Imho it works stronger for hobots who went through so much shit to return to their peaceful lives. Kind of like All Quiet on the Western Front but less hardcore.

I'm not arguing that there isn't artistic and literary merit to Tolkien's work. I'm just saying that for me personally, it didn't engage my imagination at all. Because I was bored while reading it, and forcing myself to plod through narration I didn't enjoy. By the middle of the second book, it felt more like a chore than an entertaining pastime. If I want to learn about geography, I can watch a nature documentary. If I want to learn about language and linguistics, I can visit any number of YouTube channels (like Technique Critique) to engage my mind. And Tolkien had to rely on thematic depth to give his novels weight, because the characters themselves are about as interesting as Saturday Morning Cartoon characters. The movies did a much better job of immersing me into the lives of characters like Denethor, Boromir, and Smeagol; than the books did. I felt nothing reading the LOTR. Might as well have been a white noise machine. Made for a good sleeping tool, at least.

But I acknowledge that people have gotten a lot more from these books than I am capable of. They are classics for a reason. Just not for me.

Cate Blanchett

If engaging your imagination were easy and pleasant all the time everyone would constantly be doing it. Force yourself until you like it.
>If I want to learn about geography, I can watch a nature documentary
Tolkien will give you a feel for what land and nature mean to people. Attenborough will verbally jerk himself off while you watch footage of birds taking flight and lizards running from snakes for 60 minutes.
>If I want to learn about language and linguistics, I can visit any number of YouTube channels (like Technique Critique) to engage my mind
>youtube
>engage my mind
delete this right now
>And Tolkien had to rely on thematic depth to give his novels weight, because the characters themselves are about as interesting as Saturday Morning Cartoon characters
Character depth/development is a shit meme. Everything can be boiled down to an archetype or trope without too much effort. Thematic depth is all that matters if you really want a novel with weight. If you want 'interesting' why don't you watch a Saturday morning cartoon? Really try to answer this for me.
>movies immersed me better
They can do this but they shouldn't
>I acknowledge that people have gotten a lot more from these books than I am capable of
>not for me
I think you might be onto more here than you realize. You acknowledge that there's more to it but say it isn't for you because you aren't capable. Tolkien wasn't born capable. Appreciating literature is something that you have to work at. If you wanted to you could be capable, it could be for you.

fpbp

You're coming across as a little pretentious, mate. It's a book about dragons and elves, it's not Dostoevsky.

>ellen page
hehe

What do dragons and elves mean to you? There's a massive quantity and variety of dragon+elf-core literature out there. And while we're at it explain why Dostoevsky is better.

>biggest war ever
laughingmorgoth.jpeg

>hobots

>You know, the point of fantasy?
so the point is to provide entertainment for pop-culture addicted airheads?

Most human characters are portrayed with more depth in the movies. Aragorn, Faramir, and Boromir are somewhat one-dimensional in the books but have many flaws and weaknesses that they must overcome in the movies. It leads to a much more fulfilling story, also relating to the theme of the age of men being challenged.

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>tfw you get totally outthought
I'm going to leave the thread in shame now. I've been caught in an intellectual checkmate.

There wasn't a freight train sound for the dragon firework.

>But Boromir did not speak again.

>implying any neckbeard cares about a bigger neckbeard leaving a thread.
>implying you won a game of chess by embarrassing yourself on an anonymous board.
Not even dragons will save you now...

Yo I've got all the LotR and Hobbit movies downloaded, does anyone want to request some webms?

yeah i want tom bombadil

>It's a book about dragons and elves
that's not what the lord of the rings OR the silmarillion is "about", brainlet.

>Minas Tirith
no
>“In rode the Lord of the Nazgûl. A great black shape against the fires beyond he loomed up, grown to a vast menace of despair. In rode the Lord of the Nazgûl, under the archway that no enemy ever yet had passed, and all fled before his face.
>All save one. There waiting, silent and still in the space before the Gate, sat Gandalf upon Shadowfax: Shadowfax who alone among the free horses of the earth endured the terror, unmoving, steadfast as a graven image in Rath Dínen. "You cannot enter here," said Gandalf, and the huge shadow halted. "Go back to the abyss prepared for you! Go back! Fall into the nothingness that awaits you and your Master. Go!" The Black Rider flung back his hood, and behold! he had a kingly crown; and yet upon no head visible was it set. The red fires shone between it and the mantled shoulders vast and dark. From a mouth unseen there came a deadly laughter. "Old fool!" he said. "Old fool! This is my hour. Do you not know Death when you see it? Die now and curse in vain!" And with that he lifted high his sword and flames ran down the blade.
>And in that very moment, away behind in some courtyard of the city, a cock crowed. Shrill and clear he crowed, recking nothing of war nor of wizardry, welcoming only the morning that in the sky far above the shadows of death was coming with the dawn. And as if in answer there came from far away another note. Horns, horns, horns, in dark Mindolluin's sides they dimly echoed. Great horns of the north wildly blowing. Rohan had come at last.”

vs this shit
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and lolghostswin

But those scenes are almost the same aside from Gandalf getting struck by fire sword.

no they aren't, at all

>2020
>freeman still alive

Speaking in true American English rather than British accent.

Draw in the masses

>Attenborough will verbally jerk himself off while you watch footage of birds taking flight and lizards running from snakes for 60 minutes.
I hope you're not actually implying that's bad.

it's fine if you're stoned

>needing to be drugged up to enjoy Planet Earth kinography

can you webm that shot at amon hen where the camera pans over the trees and down the hill to boromir? that is one of my favorite shots from the trilogy

this infographic doesn't make any sense

who is this tripfag?

Silmarillion has nothing to do with lotr though. It is mainly focused on tribes and deeds, as an encyclopedia would. Lotr spends a lot of time describing landscapes and trees for 20 fucking pages. If anything,that blocks imagination, because he's not giving any room at all for the reader to make his own landscape (with certain criteria). That's where the silmarillion shines, it's descriptions short, simple and precise. Every now and then I would put the book down just start imagining how things would look and feel like.

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the video really reminds you have big of a film achievement it all was

>having a random Elf break into a poem
Completely agree with this. I skip the songs every time I read the books.

Why is Boromir a barbarian?