Only 74 people died in the Battle of New York

>only 74 people died in the Battle of New York

Explain

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I think only 50 people died during civil war (the comic event) despite them laying waste to most of NYC

>hundreds killed

Guess Daredevil is no longer MCU canon

A. the avengers are really good at their job

B. it only counts deaths caused directly by the actions of the avengers, not aliens

C. its a reference to an issue of the avengers where they break up

as far as nitpicks go, it's a fairly minor one, still enjoyed it

Netflix and Agents were never canon.

niggas knew how to run

Cool meme!

disney was worried about man of steel backlash so they changed numbers to make it lower

How did the photographer get that shot?

News copter, drone?

Netflix is as it features both HAMMER tech and talks about "the incident"

Nigga, I know you're too young to remember 9/11

The initial death toll was much much higher than the final one

Tony has cameras in his suit. Those photos payed for all the damages to the tower.

The films are canon for the shows, the shows are not canon for the films.

Which is fine since the comics treat all street stuff similarly.

>people died

Why should we explain anything to a Sup Forums fuck just here to stir up shit?

74 dead immediate, over 100 over injuries over time.

The 9/11 total changes every year.
Disney will make digital edits in ten to fifteen years to fix continuity errors and add additional cgi scenes, probably to both. If the Netflix shows take off (they seemingly have) I'm sure Feige is open to allowing them in, but after AoS he's hesitant.

With things like Inhumans releasing in Imax despite being a TV show it's starting to blur the lines. It's all the same universe and they'll build those bridges when the time is right. This is a young universe.

>74 dead immediate, over 100 over injuries over time.

A couple of bombs in france affected over 300 people, are you telling me that an alien invasion is not able to top that?

That first attack alone should have killed 300

since 9/11 every major building in New York has had to take evacuation seriously, as have the mass transit systems, meaning plenty of people can get to relative safety even if they can't get out of the city during an attack

this combined with the heroic actions of the Avengers and the relatively small chokepoint through which the invasion occurred meant that the attack could be easily contained and major loss of life averted

Metropolis, despite living next door to the psychotic Batman and his shitberg, has apparently never learned the hard lessons of 9/11

you know tabloids love to exaggerate

that was a sustained hours-long assault which deliberately targeted crowded areas where people were literally packed in body to body and totally unsuspecting

even the densest office building in NY doesn't have those kinds of concentrations of bodies, and the attack came from a sky portal that would instantly have been tweeted about because god damn dude it's not the fucking 1980s like in your Image comics

You mean like Agents of Shield has done repeatedly?

>Metropolis, despite living next door to the psychotic Batman and his shitberg, has apparently never learned the hard lessons of 9/11
Pretty sure 9/11 wasn't canon to the DC universe until the New 52.

Never forget the council just wanted to nuke the fucking city and kill everyone.

Anybody that argues the Avengers should follows the accords and work with the government is a fucking idiot.

nigga your talking bout the MARVEL UNIVERSE.

City slickers deal with villainous destruction on the reg.

>Magneto leveled a city block on Monday
>Murderous Rogue AI broke out of an underground lab on Tuesday
>Mindwarped Hulk destroyed the freeway on Wednesday
>Taco lunch at work on Thursday

If you got caught slipping during the NY battle, its your own damn fault.

Hundreds of Chitauri ;^)

Avengers was on tv a couple nights ago, they show at least 2 choppers in the air during the start of the invasion, by the time it was over there were probably dozens, despite the threat of flying alien jet ski's.

MCU has better medical technology than IRL. Life threatening injuries have a way higher survival rate

>Explain
The Avengers are better at protecting humanity than Superman. And Batman since he was at Metropolis too and basically did dick. Let that sink in, Batman was there at the attack on Metropolis in Man of Steel and he basically saved two people and then glared menacingly at Superman. And more importantly he developed this huge revenge boner for Supes instead of the other Kryptonians who were actually responsible for the carnage. That's like being there for 9/11 and getting pissed off at Boeing instead of the terrorists. It doesn't make any sense. Granted I suppose you could also equate it to growing a distrust of all Muslims in response to 9/11, but is that really the portrayal of Batman they want for their movies? A paranoid xenophobe?
I'm sorry I got off topic, what were we doing again?

>>only 74 people died in the Battle of New York
they saw the reaction to man of steel and made up a small number knowing people would listen to it rather than actually look at the movie

74 deaths attributed directly to the actions of the Avengers*

>Spider-Man

At least Avengers didn't spend so much time focusing on disaster porn in their movie.

Headcanon. How would 74 people die because of the Avengers? Was Hulk throwing cars full of people at the aliens or something?

I believe these clips explain nicely

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youtube.com/watch?v=gBFX8y4VrkI

This. MoS showed the full scale destruction of an alien attack and people lost their minds. So Marvel downplayed it to a ridiculous degree.

>an invading army of demigods with two world destroying devices manage to wreck just one city
>people still complained about the destruction

I understand the hate for the tornado scene but some of the gripes were stupid.

How the fuck can you distinguish between what was caused by Aliens and what was the Avengers?

Don't forget Ultrons wave of kill bots who apparently didn't kill anybody

The "shit getting fucked up"-ness of Man of Steel and BvS feels more honest and less trying to have it both ways like The Avengers did. They want their world threatening cataclysm but they want to minimise any actual damage.

Can't be Hulk! He does math so nobody ever dies in his rampages!

If they had showed even one death in the actual movie that was directly attributable to the Avengers people would have freaked the fuck out.

They didn't count jews as people.

You cant tell me hundreds of people didn't get slaughtered when the Avengers were cooking up a plan. The Chitauri would have to be the most incompetent invasion force ever put to film if so

It seems to be more shit like hulk is breaking through buildings knocking debree and shit around.

The thing i hate the most about using New York and deaths caused inadvertently by the Avengers, As a reason for them to sign the accords is its literally an impossible situation that was sprung on them from out of nowhere nothing in the world was ready for an Alien invasion and they were working with a Government agency with Shield.

>hundreds killed in battle
obviously talking about the alien casualties

That was the dumbest asspull ever in comics. So gutless.

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>You cant tell me hundreds of people didn't get slaughtered when the Avengers were cooking up a plan.

You could say that but clearly Marvel decided only 74 people died in total, assuming casualties doesn't include injuries.

People lost their minds because Superman seemingly doesn't give 2 shits about the Humans while hes fighting Zod. The entire Zod fight should be Superman trying to save people and Zod just beating on him until he was forced to kill him in order to save people.

The entire fight was them just destroying the city then only at the end does Superman even consider the lives of the bystanders.

In Avengers people care less about the destruction because it shows not only are they fighting the Aliens they are formulating a tactic to minimize the spread of them and contain them to save lives. Cap goes out of his way to save lives and inform the Police forces within the city how to better set up to save people.

>it only counts deaths caused directly by the actions of the avengers, not aliens
This is such bullshit, like I said here >If they had showed even one death in the actual movie that was directly attributable to the Avengers people would have freaked the fuck out.

They never showed that in the movie, imagine if an alien threw a grenade at Cap and he knocked it away with his shield but it bounced into a crowded cafe and everyone died. That's the sort of thing you're claiming the 74 casualties represent. If that had happened even one time in the movie it would have been called heinous, let alone 74 times! How can anyone make this argument.

>You could say that but clearly Marvel decided only 74 people died in total

And that's retarded

Well those alien rides that were shot down had to crash somewhere, those would be attributed to avengers intervention.

Plus collateral damage from whatever the Hulk fucked up on that day, those whales were big, had to be one of two people squished by them getting killed.

I'm not saying it wasn't, I think you're misunderstanding me. When I said
>They want their world threatening cataclysm but they want to minimise any actual damage.
I was talking about Disney trying to have it both ways where they have both huge battles and extreme stakes, but no one gets hurt so you can still feel good about it.

Haven you seen Civil War or Jessica Jones? In both they show/mention debris caused by Hulk jumping around and shit, falling on random civilians amongst other things.

I remember in Civil War Scarlet Witch kills ten people by accident and it's a big deal, though she only gets a time out. As for Jessica Jones they will never acknowledge that in the actual movies so it doesn't count.

>got outhacked by Jarvis
>couldn't kill the scientists so they snitched on him
>lost his super body
>loses his ability to go to escape to the internet
>has a chance to escape but decides to circle back in a quinjet to kill hawkeye and ends up killing pietro
>OH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

Ultron was a joke of a villain. That trailer lied to me. LIED.

scarlet witch accidentally killed those people in peace time during a counter-terrorism mission, and due to lack of training to properly contain a bomb with her powers

the avengers caused collateral damage despite their best efforts to avoid it, in the middle of a warzone

the former really will draw a lot more attention than the latter, since during peace time there is no excuse not to have a proper plan, and the fact there are people going about their normal business at any given time, and your actions while greatly disrupt them. an active war zone is messy and chaotic, and there is the assumption that there really isnt anything you can do to make things worse, unless you resort to carpet bombing. its why a police man over penetrating his target and hitting a civilian is a big deal, while a soldier accidentally hitting a civilian while shooting at his enemy gets more leeway, one is trying to maintain order and the other is in an inherently chaotic area

although no one mentions how those 10 in the building, though terrible, is a much better choice than the 100 on the ground

I think it's kind of ridiculous that 13 movies in or whatever we only just found out the Avengers have been inadvertently killing people during those heroic battles we all watched that never even hinted at such a thing. They're to afraid to let the audience feel bad in the moment by seeing anything horrible.

My friends & I always talked about this after.
>Well there goes that building. Wonder how many people just got pancaked?
>Nice explosion. Feel bad for the poor shits you KNOW got caught in it
And so on & so forth.

>Over 2 billion dead from Battle of Metropolis
Explain

Numbers obviously shit, but it was an attack on the whole world, no telling how much seismic damage the planet sustained from both machines.

Quakes, tidal waves, etc.

>6,000,000 people died in 6 camps in a matter of 3 years

explain

I can't, I haven't seen any remains.

what's the point, it's not 2000 where people will watch CGI buildings getting destroyed for 90 minutes

About a million people were killed in Rwanda in just 100 days and they didn't have superior German engineering

You're right it's was actually 9 billion

Because the Avengers were taking time out of fighting aliens to help save the bystanders, unlike a shitty directors version of a 'boy scout' super hero...?

Or because Marvel doesn't have the balls to actually reckon with the candy coated violence it sells.

when ever i watch justuce league anmimated series and there was a huge fight i would count how many people would die
"oops superman just punched darkseid through that building, that's the whole of accounting gone"

I always felt the quoted 74 deaths were counted from the start of Avenger intervention. We don't know how many died before the Avengers came to stop the invasion.
Those 74 deaths are just the deaths they failed to prevent, which is kind of shitty to use against them as justification for the Accords

Spider-Man saved everyone off screen.

>reckon with the candy coated violence it sells.
If violence was all that made the MCU watchable, then DC/WB wouldn't be the dying corpse that it is.

It's funny because this scene also happens in the movie

youtu.be/EsghUIbr2TQ?t=39s

Ignore the horrible "acting" and notice how they make light of Loki killing 80 people.

Avengers are better hero's

The television shows were never MCU canon

i love that scene

The Nazis were better at killing unarmed civilians than they were at killing Americans, hence they lost the war

Me too it's something straight out of a Scary Movie installment.

>Netflix and Agents
>They are both ABC
Why not just say "ABC shows"?

Journalist sensationalism/unreliable narration.

Jesus, you're dumb as a rock.

During 9/11 roughly 2763 people died in NYC. Of those 2,606 were stuck in the world trade centre and couldn't get out before it collapsed.

By comparison the Boston Marathon Bombing, which had an explosion on par with the picture in the OP killed a grand total of 3 people and those bombs went off in a much more densely crowded area.

Both cases did not have a group of super heroes actively working to restrain the damage, aid civilians, and stop the conflict. Including coordinating with law enforcement and rescue personnel to get civilians out of the immediate area and limit the damage.

The Avengers New York City Battle numbers are certainly optimistic but I don't see that they are completely unreasonable given that there was a team of superheros actively working to keep them down. Maybe it should have been upped a bit by Hulk being careless (there certainly should have been more as a result of crashing the space worm into Grand Central Terminal, though it is magically almost entirely empty in the film) but almost every scene with Captain America during the battle involved him actively preventing civilian casualties (including a bit where he stops to save a crowd inside a bank).

Keep in mind that there was a great deal of difference between the destruction seen in Avengers and that seen in Man of Steel. In Avengers New York is damaged at the end of the film but it's still there. Ground zero of the Chitari invasion had some property damage but there are restaurants nearby that are still in a condition to operate immediately after the attack is over. Buildings and streets are damaged but the city is still intact. In Man of Steel what buildings are still standing are far more demolished and there is a very large section of downtown Metropolis that has been literally pounded into dust (and yes, that was a result of the Kryptoforming device Zodd used but all people remember is that the end of Man of Steel looked like the end of the world).

the avengers were directly involved in the deaths shown to them by ross (falling rubble, errant blasts, ets.)

the memorial wall at the end of avengers implies a somewhat larger number

and yeah, i absolutely loved the shots of cap telling people to get to safety repeatedly, he may not fly or shoot lasers, but he can still protect the innocent

No one was in those cars. Done.

>3/5ths ruling

>more people died over a week in Brazil while cops were on strike than a full alien invasion in New York

I blame Marvel reacting to Man of Steel criticism.

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

Bout the same size nitpick that everyone spammed as "Metropolis is destroyed" for MoS.

Funny thing, in the Norse mythology Loki is actually full aesir while Thor is halve giant.

Nope. Both of Loki's parents were giants, Thor's parents were Odin and the Earth (might mean Freya).

Fake News.

I thought the Norse earth-mother was Jörð

>Both of Loki's parents were giants,
Are you stupid?
If both of his parents are giants, how can he be Aesir?
>Thor's parents were Odin and the Earth
Which is the giantess Jörd
>might mean Freya
Not even close

Son of Laufey and Fárbauti, both giants. He only hung out with the Aesir.

Freya - miswrote. Meant Frigg. Frigg is associated with earth.

Suck my dick, douchebag.

>Explain
It's a Kids movie you fucking retard

>People are actually complaining that the heroes did too good of a job saving people and not enought people died

>both giants
Farbauti is a giant, my bad but show me the part where Laufey is a giant.
>Freya - miswrote. Meant Frigg
Which is wrong. Frigg is not Thors mother. It's Jörd who actually is the symbol of earth compared to Frigg who is the goddess of married love.

Nice try, OP.

This is deleted footage. It doesn't show the number of killed people in the movie, they edited that out.

That means your pic is not canon at all, and it's on par with stupid concept exec decisions.

It's in thousands, OP.

Also, this . In the movies, they hide some numbers, and it's implied thousands died.

Isn't that par for the course for some of Marvel's editors?