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wheres the new page?

I refuse to believe you.

O don't hate this guy, but I refuse to believe he makes four times the best wage I've ever pulled down.

I can't wait until the Patreon model comes crashing down.

It's literally the "People still paying for AOL" method of making money.

Retards who don't realize they are being bilked for 5 bucks a month because they liked something one time.

It's fucking crazy. I was on dA earlier looking at some shit, and found an artist who is at the top of the "Top for 24 Hours" category, and I checked out her page. She's got a Pateon for a "story" she's making that's literally just a few sentences from her (clearly ESL) and a random anime chick posed. She's got 1,600 people giving her money every month, but of course she hides how much she's making. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that most of them aren't chipping in one buck a month.

Who the fuck are these gullible pieces of shit? No one should in their right mind be earning anywhere near that much money for doing literally nothing.

It makes me think that I could go out, change the color palette of a bunch of people's art, claim it's original, say I am working on a story, and do the same god damn thing.

He seems to keep his actual monthly income a secret. I can't find it anywhere on the page. This said, even if ALL of his 4,000 supporters pledged the dead minimum of $1 each, that's still enough for him to live very comfortably on.

To be fair that tranny was cute as fuck before it started shoving rivets in its face.

It's not a bad model in and of itself. There's a few podcasts I like. I chip in $2 per episode. They produce extra free content for patrons every month as well as staying motivated to keep producing content on the regular. I don't begrudge $6 per week for stuff I want to keep happening. What is that, the cost of a couple of slices of pizza and a pop? That's fine by me.

That's what they are all doing nowadays in order to keep up the facade that they aren't making enough money. It's sheer dishonesty.

Guys who tell you exactly how much they make a month I can respect to some level, even if I don't like what they are doing or think they are just taking advantage of poor saps. At least then they are fully informing anyone who might be considering giving them cash that, "Hey -- I make this much money a month, you really think I should be getting your 5 bucks?"

The problem is that some people, like in the scenario I just mentioned, are simply willfully taking advantage of the model.

They aren't actually working on what they claim to be working on, they're just drawing and then attaching a few lines of poorly constructed fluff in order to prevent the whole scheme from collapsing in on itself.

If I was somehow a popular socialite, with zero marketable skills in this sector (I half one half, not the other), I would honestly just go out, find an artist who would be willing to churn out content for a percentage of Patreon bux, and do that. It takes no effort on your part to do this.

As for the Podcasts thing, do they ever advertise during them? Really think about it. Your brain might tune it out, but go back and check. Is there mention of Patreon? Audible? ? Any of those things? Because I can tell you right now, you're being taken advantage of otherwise.

I was wondering about that and I just had a look at everyone I pledge to on Patreon, and every one of them show the amount they're getting per month. Makes me feel good that I'm only supporting principled people who aren't trying to scam or bullshit their actual or potential supporters.

So progresso.

>It makes me think that I could go out, change the color palette of a bunch of people's art, claim it's original, say I am working on a story, and do the same god damn thing.

But you haven't, have you? Stop whining about people utilizing the free market more successfully than you.

I couldn't do this because I'd get shut down real fucking quick once someone caught on to my dishonesty.

>As for the Podcasts thing, do they ever advertise during them? Really think about it. Your brain might tune it out, but go back and check. Is there mention of Patreon? Audible? ? Any of those things? Because I can tell you right now, you're being taken advantage of otherwise.

Well, you know it's funny. The podcasts I listen to DO have advertisements, but the patron-only version are generally ad-free. This said, I mostly listen to comedy podcasts who are given free reign to produce their own ads as they see fit, and sometimes the ads are so entertaining in their own right that I actually listen to the non-patron versions so I can get a few bonus laughs from that. I certainly don't resent the people I like and admire the talent of making money by doing the things I like and admire them for.

I don't like Podcasts as a rule because they are lazy. A lot of comedians figured out that they couldn't make it on radio (hell, some radio personalities figured it out too), and so they decided to just do Podcasts. It's way easier than going on stage and having to hammer out material over the course of a year so you can put together a single half to hour long set.

I know that I am coming off as a ranting lunatic, but there's a lot of people out there who look at Patreon with disgust because it disrupts many individual trades. Often in a bad way.

It's a bit hyperbolic, but if comedy podcasts suddenly superseded comedy lounges as the primary track for comedians to potentially get other work/projects off the ground -- then you'd see a massive deflation of people in this sector; which could lead to the wholesale destruction of a superior craft.

It takes a lot of work not to just be able to write jokes, and tell them, but to also have stage presence. Podcasts effectively eliminate two of those sections of labor, and as a result appeals to the lowest common denominator.

I can't understand why anyone would have a problem with this. If they find an audience to support them good on them. They get to do what they like to do. And their supporters get to feel good about supporting them. It's win-win.

In the situation that I outlined, the person in question is deceiving the people supporting them. You don't see a problem with that? If they instead went to Kickstarter, asked for a couple grand in cash to make... say an artbook? That'd be one thing. No deception is being made. Assuming of course they delivered on the artbook.

Instead, here we have a person who asking for money to create something that they aren't actually creating.

I don't actually know about the case in detail you're referencing. Notwithstanding, the people supporting them don't see it as a problem so is it really a problem?

>giving money to morons that just talk with each other

>I don't like Podcasts as a rule because they are lazy. A lot of comedians figured out that they couldn't make it on radio (hell, some radio personalities figured it out too), and so they decided to just do Podcasts. It's way easier than going on stage and having to hammer out material over the course of a year so you can put together a single half to hour long set.

The only ones I listen to who work as comedians who also have podcasts are Paul F. Thompkins and Scott Auckerman, and they both regularly tour, do events and stuff. In fact, Paul F. Thompkins's podcast is always recorded in front of a live audience, so this literally is the same material one way or the other. Auckerman's podcast sometimes does the same thing; he'd done intercontinental tours, in fact. The other comedy podcasts are people doing the sort of material which generally wouldn't translate well to live set performances, like film reviews for instance.

>I know that I am coming off as a ranting lunatic

Yes, that's true.

>It's a bit hyperbolic, but if comedy podcasts suddenly superseded comedy lounges as the primary track for comedians to potentially get other work/projects off the ground -- then you'd see a massive deflation of people in this sector; which could lead to the wholesale destruction of a superior craft.
>It takes a lot of work not to just be able to write jokes, and tell them, but to also have stage presence. Podcasts effectively eliminate two of those sections of labor, and as a result appeals to the lowest common denominator.

That's absurd and I'll tell you why. What you're saying amounts to "If you have the skills to make people laugh on a stage, then you're worthy of making an income from doing so. But if your particular set of skills are better-suited to making them laugh in their own home, then you should not do so, because then people who have non-overlapping skill sets and who set out to entertain in a different way might suffer."

>qt 3.14 transgirl
>ruin her with disgusting nose ring
Goddammit. It would've been hot had she got a lip ring, but nose rings are just dumb and make people look like cartoon bulls.

I give money to clever people who produce entertaining performances. There's plenty of podcasts I listen to one episode of and have no further use for. I do have standards.

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less than pewdiepie. less than a zillion heir and heiresses that don't even create mediocre stuff.

But they are creating it, they're making those ESL broken sentences every month. If 1000 people think that's worth $5 a month then what's it to you?

If you want to complain about something, complain about the people that charge per month on Patreon for a service that just never gets delivered, like a bunch of indie game devs. Otherwise you're just getting buttflustered that someone has friends willing to give them money to support them.

I think nose rings are cute in some cases.
Its those ear gauges that ruin her and everyone else that has them.

You do realize you have to pay taxes on money you get through Paetron right? so that's like 8-15% of whatever they're pulling.

At this point people only pay for AOL for ad-free E-Mail and VIP support.

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I'm not sure if you're arguing against me or the guy I'm arguing against since you're citing us both without addressing anything in particular that either of us just said, so I'll just kind of take a crack at it and assume that you're arguing against my support of these people. If I'm wrong I'm wrong.

In which case I'll just say that 85% of something is better than 100% of nothing, and I'm still cool with giving a podcast I like the cost of a slice of pizza every time they put ten hours of work into producing a new episode.

On the plus side, I'm a moderately decent artist and the kind of shlock I see people peddling on Patreon, and get absolutely disgusting amounts of money for, shows me that if I were to suddenly start shilling my work online I could make some decent coin. It boosts my self-esteem and my desire to improve so I can actually sell shit I'm proud of.

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>ITT: the free market at work.

a suckers born every minute Sup Forums

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Yes. Now excuse me while I go get my $50 piece of molded plastic with a Star Wars logo.

Here's a hint, there have always been people that'll happily give their money to some cause, be that entertainment or something else. There's nothing new to this, why does it matter that someone is using the system to get cash? The people giving them money aren't forced to do so, and they are allowed to spend their money however they like

And that was when he had about a THOUSAND less patrons than he does now. If we presume that the additional thousand or so are donating at the same level as the ones listed there, then that's presumably another $2,500 per month on top of that sum.

And doesn't he sell QC merchandise as well? The fat bastard's sitting pretty.

tranny power is a scary thing

Sounds feasible that theres enough autists out there to support another one.

>Aaron Diaz still gets paid monthly patreon checks even though last year he literally only produced one single comic page

I stopped reading this years ago. Has the art really not moved on at all?

I remember seeing it develop over the course of reading it, by this looks unchanged, and it's been AGES since I last looked at it.

>monthly income a secret
That's recent, pic related is from December, shows similar patron numbers and over 10,000 USD for JJ

at least he actually does his comic . . .. not like Diaz who took the patreon money on a holiday to china and never actually updates "A guaranteed Dresden Codak comic every other week!"

Remember Diaz FURIOUSLY responding to those who took him to task for failing to live up to the obligations he promised to his paying customers? He ranted about how he'd "rather work in a fucking coal mine" than have to produce content on a schedule.

I laughed until it hurt when someone simply replied "I hope you get black lung."

For every con artist on there, there's at least 3 people who are able to put more effort into something they enjoy making that people enjoy reading. The good already outweighs the bad.

It's a simple service that helps people more than hurts you, so let them do it.

>Ten grand a month
>hasn't even drawn the red head fucking the shit out of the twink

What is even the point

It's possibly gotten worse, honestly.
Though that's not saying much.

if it had cuckolding id donate

Fucking goldmine. How many are furrys and how many are characterfags?

So whats his output? A page a month?
I guess he saw that only a minority see what they are subbing and mimd that he doesnt live up to promises.

Of course they're clever. They convince fools like you to give them money for producing "entertaining performances".

You are cucking yourself, they dont need anymore money, this is why people dont buy movies anymore "Oh those actors who have millions of dollars need your $12 to support them!"

So hold on, let me be clear on your angle here.

I should withhold money which is such a trivial sum that I don't even notice it disappearing from my bank account, as should everyone else, in order to punish them for wanting to make a living doing something which they enjoy and other people appreciate, in, what? The hopes that they will then stop producing the content which I enjoy?

This really strikes me as a self-destructive level of cynicism you're promoting here, bordering on anhedonic misanthropy.

>I don't like Podcasts as a rule because they are lazy.
Try audio dramas instead.

>if comedy podcasts suddenly superseded comedy lounges[...]you'd see a massive deflation of people in this sector
Unlikely. It would more than likely be another case of digital vs. physical.

You should try audio dramas too.
I wish there was a /pod/ board for Anons to discuss podcasts and bypass paywalls, dammit.

>kate leth
>355th
kek

Why is this writing allowed? Look at this shit. Try reading this without cringing.

Instead of bubbles arc being resolved by character growth and conflict. A literal God machine just appears and fixes everything. Because God doesn't like AI s9ftware being altered.

I miss old Hannelore.

>tfw only a measly 100 bucks from patreon

>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>I should get mad because stupid people make stupid decisions to pay stupid, lazy people
Patreon is a great way to support artists I like. Everybody whines about people who go AWOL, like Spoony, but the fans who support him deserve to lose their money, then. I support A Fox in Space and Otaking, and I have no problem admitting that because their art is something that's almost completely non-existent every where else.

>As for the Podcasts thing, do they ever advertise during them?

I just want to revisit this one point before being done with this thread. I was just now listening to today's new episode of one of my favourite podcasts, and they had one of their in-house advertisements near the beginning of the show. I quite literally shrieked with laughter at the punchline at the end of their ad. There's no sequence of words which you can type which will make me angry that they manage to make money off of that in a show which they provide freely to the public.

Who gives a shit?

He manages to churn out a product that people choose to pay for. Such is capitalism.

Copy it, if you want.
I really don't get people crying about how somewhere in the world there's a person producing content they personally dislike and getting paid for it.

>between 32 and 64 grand per month to draw porn

>audio dramas
Interested

What you and other fools are doing is destructive to society. You're promoting morons that do nothing productive in their lives and that also makes other people to aspire for such a life where just talking about random bullshit is enough earn you money. You and others enjoying and wanting more of said content proves how low society currently is and how it will continue falling if such practises continue (among other things of course).

What a stupid fucking tattoo What the fuck

>among other things
Like traffic circles and clouds!

>It makes me think that I could go out, change the color palette of a bunch of people's art, claim it's original, say I am working on a story, and do the same god damn thing.
And that would just make you a piece of shit and a thief instead of a lazy artist. Faggot.

She's a bottom

What you and other fools are doing is destructive to society. You're promoting morons that do nothing productive in their lives and that also makes other people to aspire for such a life where just talking about random bullshit is enough earn you money. You and others enjoying and wanting more of said content proves how low society currently is and how it will continue falling if such practises continue (among other things of course). If you don't care about spending 2 dollars a month, then give it to a charity, not to some pathetic excuse of a human.

>10k a month
>120k a year
>minus patreon cut and US income tax= about 80k at least
>80k
>to do something you love
>despite shit skill
man what i wouldnt do for that

You should be. They're essentially the new serial radio show, just through a podcast feed instead of your radio.

If you're into sci-fi, try "ars PARADOXICA", "Wolf 359", or "Archive 81".
If you're into paranormal, try "The Black Tapes", "TANIS", "Uncanny County", or "King Falls AM".
I also suggest "Greater Boston", "The Bridge", and the Night Vale Presents line-up.

>last year he literally only produced one single comic page
no way.
no fucking way

I will. I draw like 10 hours a day, listening fodder is key. Thanks, user.

No problem. There's plenty more out there; I've only named the more popular titles going around right now.
Hit up the #AudioDramaSunday tag on Twitter to see what other podcasts people recommend.

Night Vale has kinda collapsed in on itself as of late.

Made me start writing a horror podcast to make up for their decline.

I'm okay with Night Vale myself, but that's just me.
But don't let your opinions on WTNV color your view on the other Night Vale Presents podcasts. They're all excellent in their own right.

Oh no doubt some proactive individuals proactive individuals probably had the same motivation.

I'm glad they got people interested in the serial horror Podcast genre again.

Oh no doubt some proactive individuals probably had the same motivation.

I'm glad they got people interested in the serial horror Podcast genre again.

Can I address the real issue here? Why do type the dollar sign before the sum? Wouldn't it make more sense if it's after? You don't call $10 "dollar ten", do you?

Wouldn't work. The people that give out money on Patreon the most seem to have universally bad taste. You think the people that like QC will like anything better?

god i wish that was me

Aaron "Will Eisner became a legend in the industry because of being a mediocre white guy" Diaz.
One page?! Holy fuck that makes me rage so fucking insanely hard. THIS is why I don't read webcomics (with the exceptions of a coupla artists who have already been published "properly" before they started webcomicing, like Deforge or Drew Weing)!

Did a podcaster rape your mom right in front of you or something? This is a comically bizarre intensity of hated you have going on for something so utterly innocuous.

It's the established proper way to mark them, ignoramus

malcolmsenglishpages.com/2013/04/07/how-to-write-money-amounts/
>Currency symbols (€, £, $ etc) should be placed before the number, with no space, like this:
>He earned €30,000 last year (spoken – thirty-thousand euros).
>Currency abbreviations, used in a formal report or newspaper writing, (EUR, GBP, USD etc) should be placed before the number, with a space

or onlinegrammar.com.au/writing-about-money-grammar-tips/

>it needs to be personal to despise degeneracy

R.k. Milholland needs a goddamn wizard staff.

Then why aren't you making a poorly thought out, terrible art filled queerbaiting webcomic to suck in all that wonderful tumblrfag monies user?

You know the secret to success, not get to it.

seriously, it's not like he isn't going to end up fucking it up anyway either.

>degeneracy
where do you think you are

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Claire was a qt trans and now she's got gauges and a nose ring and...now she just seems kind of meh.

>Assigned Male
>$2800 a month
This is a fake screenshot, right?

Right?

Chuckled audibly

Limetown had a pretty good premise but didn't really bare it out in the end. Is that still around? Has it gotten better?

Limetown is over and never coming back, the writers are trying to pitch it as a TV show.
I really wish there was a place to talk about podcasts/audio dramas.

>page a month?
yep, 13 pages in 2016 as against an expected 26

>>kate leth
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the number ranks by number of patrons, bear in mind list is comics only, most creators produce videos, maybe only 1 in 20 make comics.
Kate Leth is now ranked 241 with $2,237.80 per month

>100 bucks from patreon
that's in the top 25% of all comic creators; over 50% make less than $23

>porn
interestingly the Patreon take for SFW is about the same, or slightly more, as for NSFW

>Assigned Male
>fake
nope, check for yourself: graphtreon.com/all-patreon-creators?
> $2,977.24 per month

It's the opposite, most people start on podcasts and let's plays then realize they'd make less money on radio.

At least it's original work. One RWBY fanfiction author gets 2 grand a month.