Will the allies EVER win a major battle?

Will the allies EVER win a major battle?

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If Uber was a standard cape comic than that would be a legitimate question.
But it's not. It's a horror comic. The good guys lose all the time in the horror genre.

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No. A major flaw with the comic was having the Panzermensch not appear until '45. Yes, the spectacle of Berlin being saved by them was really cool, but it's forced the writers into a position where if Germany ever loses hard, they're fucked, because they're economically and militarily ruined and couldn't possibly recover from a major defeat, so that'd just be the end of the comic.

It killed their pacing though.
How many issues of build up for Churchill?
Just for a few pages of her mulching cannon fodder then getting completely wrecked.

but if they appeared before '45 the germans would have both ubers and conventional arms and the allies would have lost already

The story is about tanks being replaced entirely. You could just do the story with Tankmen leading the blitzkrieg.

The problem with the premise is they keep promising that it's not Nazi fan wank and the Germans will lose in the end, and also how they are stretched too thin and don't have resources and so on.

But the story doesn't do anything to imply the Germans are hurting in any way and every single build they do is wasted on one page summed up by "The Germans deployed a perfect counter attack"

>The story is about tanks being replaced entirely
Not just replaced, completely SURPASSED by tankmen
normal tank shells can't even take down tankmen.
if ubers led the charge with massed tank, infantry, naval, and aerial support from the beginning the allies would be fucked.

Gillen posted page 1 of issue 5 in response to everyone being frustrated the allies lose again.
what think?

Allies won't win till one of the battleships is friggin dead

>This thread again
EVERY DAY UNTIL YOU LIKE IT

>Will the allies EVER win a major battle?

That's what the rest of Europe was asking in 1940 as well.

>Will the allies EVER win a major battle?
I have to admit it does give a lot more credit to the axis forces. They weren't exactly super tactical masterminds to begin with.

And they asked it until all the way to 1943

>1 billion comics where the good guys always win
>1 comic where the bad guys always win
>muh fan wank!
>how long they keep this going on?
Seriously?

i keep seeing germans suffer significant losses when it comes to non-battleships, but i never see it actually impact them.

you'd think with german infrastructure in ruins and civilian displacement and starvation being a problem, the germans would have trouble making significant numbers of even the standard tank-men, but they always seem to have the numbers anyway, so every Pyrrhic victory the germans have seems irrelevant to the actual story.

inorite?

i kinda want america to get completely rekt just to see them cry.

beyond that, critics of the comics still cannot grasp that nazi germany is a rotting corpse, there is zero chance of the nazi's winning anything, this is a comic about a prolonged pyrrhic victory by the allies

Methinks the critics are all special snowflakes who don't understand the context of the story.
They look at it with a surface level understanding and all they can see is Nazi's killing people.

which to be fair, nazi's were/are really good at killing people.

then why are the nazis winning

Because the writer's telling a horror story where the bad guy's have an advantage and the good guys are in trouble.

KG has said repeatedly that the point of the story is make the nazi's scary again, and part of that is recreating the perspective people had at the time of the nazi's being invincible, even though their position is basically untenable in almost every way. after all, with their untapped population, the allies could literally throw thousands of tank men at the battle ships until they fall over, or take a beating until they outnumber the battleships 3 or 4 to 1. the book is just the period where the germans slowly lose their advantage and the economics take over. the whole reason they launched this 'invasion' of the USA is because the only possible hope they have of not getting steamrolled in less than a year is by turning the entire place into an economically and politically destroyed wasteland. it's idiotic, but so was the axis strategy in real life.

Butthurt murrican detected.

The Germans started with two major advantages that the allied forces haven't yet been able to neutralize: 3 Battleships and their super spies. The allies are 0/3 for their battleships: Colossus was half baked, Churchill a failure, and the Russian won't go offensive. On top of the Battleship superiority, they're way ahead on research from the spies. Until the allies bridge this gap, they're not going to be able to push back.

I'm pretty sure its going to come to a head with the US Battleships - notably they have one inexperienced and two 'crippled' battleships just like the Germans do. But will it end with the US battleships losing because they aren't fully activated, or is it going to be a close draw that forces the US to completely activate them? Everything so far points to the former, but the later would basically be the tipping point.

This issue was shit, and I really like Uber overall. Literally just a generic punch-up that should have taken up two pages at most.

The nazis(good guys) are winning? That's not the impression I had. The comic seemed pretty clear that regardless of the battleships winning named conflicts on the thousands of other minor battles the Germans(Heroes) are getting their shit pushed in.

Theres no reason to care if the villians always win. Readers need someone to root for, otherwise their interest is lost.

This could be circumvented if they had interesting villians who won in interesting ways, but the Nazi's are all on the verge of caricature and succeed through brute force.

that's elementary school plot advice. you don't always need a character to 'root' for. it just has to be interesting. anyone who needs something they can fully identify with, who is winning, is in the wrong place, obviously.

THE GERMANS STILL WIN THAT BATTLE

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Naugatuck, the battle the germans just won in issue 3? Where it was explicitly stated that the only losses the germans suffered was a handful of blitzmensch? Where after it was shown that the expeditionary force was ready to raze New York a few days after? That battle of Naugatuck?

>alternate history where the nazis won
yawn

Still waiting for the germans crippling lack of infrastructure, resources, and massive logistical difficulties to, you know, actually and VISIBLY hamper the germans ability to do whatever the fuck they want.

They do that constantly. It's always a huge deal just to get battleships where they need to be.

>judges books by the cover

there's no such thing as a 'handful' of blitzmensch. especially with no reinforcements and no supply lines. if the americans can destroy their transportation or just attrit the lower level forces, eventually Siegfried and Sigmund will be wandering around the continental usa alone, blowing shit up until fatigue makes their heads explode, which is possibly how this will end.

>placing your hopes and dreams into a few being able to win quickly against the man
Isn't this what fucked the Nazi in the first place? I.e. Barbarossa?

No. They *say* it's a problem and then immediately proceed to execute their plans perfectly like there's no problem at all. A whole lot of "telling", but no fucking "showing".

that was the whole reason for the second london blitz, or the great burn--they didn't have the resources to re-occupy or invade in force. all they can do is try to decapitate the government or turn entire allied countries into wastelands.

So just to be clear, how many fully illustrated pages of German Ubermensch waiting for a train would satisfy your autism?

Not him, but I'd want 88 pages.

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>Put it like this: Uber is a “Nazi Germany gets the bomb first” story. Without a lot of luck and author intervention, that story immediately leads to The Man In The High Castle.

>It’s obviously narratively unsatisfying for an attack to just fail randomly due to shit weather, as true as that is throughout history.

>Germany in Uber is a glass cannon. I want to spend some time over there soon, just to show exactly how fucked Germany is in the story. After the obviously USA-centric start of Invasion, we’d do that, which should stress how utterly pyrrhic this all is. And, just as we’ve restarted the comic, we do have to restress its theme and mood, which is exactly what we’re doing.

>Imagine you were alive in WW2. On the ground. You can read the papers, but that’s all you know.
>At which point would you know the Nazis were going to lose? Up to which point would you think the Nazis were winning?
>With hindsight, we can easily point to places where “this is where Germany lost the war.” This is actually the one comforting thing about WW2. As bad as it was, the Allies won. You can even make an argument that Germany lost the war the second it started the war.
>This is not the experience our ancestors went through.
>I’d think that most of us would have thought the Axis powers were winning the war until Stalingrad. Historically we look at the 1942 offensives as a failure, and clearly could never have worked… but imagine what it felt like to look at it. At first glance, it seemed as invincible as those initial offensives earlier in the war, at least on the ground. The lessons of 1939-1942 would have told our ancestors: The Nazi empire is enormous! It’s crushing armies at seeming will. Obviously they’re winning..
>Imagine that despair. Imagine how much they wished the good guys could get a break. Imagine the horror when they didn’t.
>And imagine fighting anyway.
>At least in part, that’s what Uber tries to evoke.

tl;dr it's frustrating and unsatisfying right now, like WW2 pre-1944. it'll get better

Starting storytime now

Pls no

pls yes

godspeed

Just give me more of my wacky Ukranian waifu

Because wandering a foreign country alone was so dangerous for the female battleship that she left London without a scratch.

>mfw when Sup Forumsmblr reads this issue

And yet, they never fail to get them there.

They keep insisting that the Germans can't win, but they keep showing how a single battleship is pretty much unstoppable to anything except a stronger battleship.
The Russian battleship is probably more interested in killing Stalin.
The three Americans are either being held back or mentally broken.

So I really don't see how the Germans can't be optimistic when they have two completely functional battleships and just crippled two allied governments.

We had an entire comic dedicated to showing off the Nazis brutal crushing victory over D.C. And Boston.

Nazi Fan Wank.

The problem of Germany at the ending days of the war was that their industrial capacity was in ruins.

The panzermen don't need too many equipment, just a large enough demographic pool.

1 person out of 5000 can be "uberized"... and despite the losses during the war, Germany still has millions of citizens.
Even if barely 15 years old, a boy becomes a formidable weapon once uberized.

So I guess that they are testing their whole population and conscripting like crazy.

eh, due to incompetence in british thinking.

c'mon, hurry it up bro.

Like an exhausted Battleship that can't use a halo being completely immune to battleship cannons and the entire naval blockade being completely smashed by the panzers that are more useful than the British heavies that slowed the battleship for a minute.

Or how the Germans expected Jew Hulk to be completely mobile when all the intel they had up to that point was that she couldn't even stand without breaking her legs.

>being completely immune to battleship cannons
She wasn't, they just never scored a direct hit
>the entire naval blockade being completely smashed by the panzers that are more useful than the British heavies that slowed the battleship for a minute.
It wasn't smashed by the panzers it was smashed by the blitz, the one with a 2 stacks in halo and 0 physical.
>Or how the Germans expected Jew Hulk to be completely mobile when all the intel they had up to that point was that she couldn't even stand without breaking her legs.
The German spied got caught slightly after Jew Hulks was tested and deemed ready for combat, so he had time to report back.

all they had to do was send premie jew hulk at her and she would have been to tired to do anything about it.

british pussies lost the war.

>handful

As this user said , it's a matter of attrition.

The Germans are working blitzkrieg-style, using very destructive, very fast moving shock-and-awe tactics to win local battles.

This is great if you can defeat your enemy fast but the Allies can afford to play attrition here.

They lost 300 tankmen, which is basically the draft in a pool of 1500000 people.
The USA back then had a hundred time that many people.
Raising another 300 tankmen might take some time but if the battleships are ready by then, the Germans are fucked.

Or saved the tankmen and heavy tankmen rush until she was drained.
Or since she was heading to the water assume that she had an escape vessel and try and damage it to prevent her from returning.

Like anything other than complete failure on the allies part.

If this was about a poker tournament we'd have to watch one player fold maybe three hands but pull royal flushes out constantly aside from that.
All the high risk gambles they have never result in them losing anything. Thats when it stops being a gamble and starts being bullshit.

Except the main reason why all 300 of the tank men were so decimated by the German counter was because of two battleships supporting each other.

Who are now standing side by side outside New York and ready to punch the US economy in the dick.

But now the US is down 300 tankmen for a possible defense.

Also the page said "limited success"
So take that as a sign that it had minimal impact.

With the speed with which Siegfried, Siegmund and their support can move and raze a city, that month is pretty all they need to level everything of worth on the eastern seabord.

I don't recall Battleship Zero being quite this ugly.

I know American education sucks and all but Russia was technically one of the allies back during WWII.
Or in other words, they've already won a major battle.

Katyusha won a major battle. Big difference.

Two major battles then

Kursk resulted in a retreat. Russians had insane loses and the battleship is still fully effective even with one arm.

The second Russian victory is a complete fluke because of their magical school girl battleship rather than any effort on their part.

Also Russia is sitting on an undefended German line but can't do shit. The Germans are so secure that they can move all three battleships to deal with the Brits and Americans.
So yeah. Victory.

Second Battle of Kursk was purely symbolic. 81 tankmen for one battleship arm was a fairly shitty trade, especially since Siegmund was still, like, 95% combat effcient. At least Katyusha's victory over Sieglinde basically reduced the latter to a gloryfied Halo cruiser.

>81 tankmen
not to mention the tens of thousands they sacrificed to get those 81 tankmen

a lot of the devastation of their initial attack came from being in stolen planes, which gave them unlimited line of sight. Now that they've lost that initial surprise and advantage, and they have nowhere to retreat to, the Americans can just run them down with conventional forces until they're too exhausted to fight back. Or, more likely until the three american battleships can finish them off. obviously something will go wrong, and/or Hideki will show up on the west coast, but the logic is sound.

Those men had already been assigned to a penal battalion. They were already dead, the only question was how Stalin wanted it to happen.

Russia scored a mobility kill thanks to best girl that is a huge victory because it means Siegfried can only be deployed as a glorified artillery/AA nest. That is a huge accomplishment in and of itself. the only reason nothing is coming from this is because the Allied spy network is currently sitting thumbs up asses full time.

Kursk 2 was a fact finding success.

When the black guy gets juiced up I suspect...

>Siegfried can only be deployed as a glorified artillery/AA nest
You make it sound like she didn't raze the British coast to the ground from her invincible towers

that is exactly what a proper artillery nest does and the towers aren't invincible and require a support group that is larger and more capable. Best girl has given the allies a huge victory because mobility kills are a thing and despite the fact the allies don't know it they are only facing 2 german battle ships at full operational capacity, who are currently engaged, and Nazi Europe is waiting in the assumed position for McArthur and his band of marry men since Siegfried is literally crippled.

The problem with that is that you guys have to be completely neglecting the criticisms in this thread. Most of which specify in great detail, and with accurate historical vision, why the position of Germany had become untenable and how there is really no believable way that they could continue to fight on even with the Panzermensch. In fact their is no reason to suggest that the Americans wouldn't have turned Berlin into a smouldering wasteland of Atomic death.

>the book is just the period where the germans slowly lose their advantage and the economics take over.
The economics took over by 1943 senpai, and 1944 at the latest.

>Siegfried

Sieglinde. Siegfried is over in the US.

you cant possibly be this stupid, it isnt possible, you're doing a meme arent you?

whatever, the point still stands significant victory that leads to a major breakthrough as soon as allied intel decides to unfuck themselves.

One battleship is physically crippled.
Still manages to lead the complete devastation of Britain with some support.
Their opposition was the Brits, who had the second most advanced knowledge on ubers.
They had a secret fully functioning heavy battleship, since the Germans last intel was that she couldn't move.

The entire counter attack from the brits failed completely. Mostly thanks to a single crippled battleship.

How is anything I said wrong? Not even direct artillery fire and naval cannons can hurt a battleship, even when exhausted.
Having one loyal battleship when nobody else has any is the same as being unstoppable.
Their two functioning battleships just destroyed Washington D.C. after the crippled one leveled Britain.
They are now moving on to New York after destroying almost the entire 300 man unit sent to destroy them, without taking any major losses (i.e. battleship damage).

Please explain how German will be unable to support two battleships and maintain a military advantage against countries that are being systematically crippled politically and economically.

Are you going to quote where the writers swear they aren't going to let the Germans win?
That at the very last issue the Germans will all just die on the last panel, which means the allies will still win and weren't getting their shit pushed in the entire fucking time?
>German spies completely destroy the Manhattan project and give a functioning bomb to the Japanese
>British spy lady gets two battleships fucking mutilated
Nazi
Fan
Wank

>Not even direct artillery fire and naval cannons can hurt a battleship, even when exhausted.

They never got a direct hit off her iirc, just bombarded the area she was in.

>Nazi Fan Wank

So was all of WW2 up till 1942-3.

I want a modern era Uber story. Reusable Uber suicide bombers would be cool for instance.

Though conventional doctrine would probably be very different with Ubers on the battlefield. Heavy armored vehicles such as tanks would most likely not be very prevalent. There'd be a larger focus on air power, which would be the only reliable to way to kill Ubers without getting killed yourself.

last issue mentioned how the artillery and naval cannons had no effect on the other two battleships but just uncovered their bunker.

>*stamps feet*
>I want the nazis to lose NOW!
>NOW NOW NOW NOW
> I want them to lose RIGHT NOW!!

A few points about this issue.

After losing the Battle of Naga-whatsit, the US actually offered terms to the Germans. Hitler/Goebbels refused after saying that the US is the big, ultimate threat to the Germany.

Those 300 or so tankmen that the U.S. lost can't be all of their Uber force -- they have some stationed in Europe and the Pacific.

The logistical situation in Germany is so bad that even Hitler/Goebbels is complaining about the food. That seems to be the only mention of Germany's crippling situation we've had in multiple comics.

The Germans are worried about that extra nuke the US still has lying around. With the Germans turning this into a war of extermination, at some point the US is going to just nuke the German invasion force.

You know, the Japanese are still out there. Haven't heard much from them lately.

Germany itself is actually quite vulnerable. If Patton were to get aggressive...

>Their opposition was the Brits, who had the second most advanced knowledge on ubers.

What they did not have was time.
They point it out, actually spell it out, when the scientist bitch makes her report to Churchill, that making Ubers is akin to fermentation, as in it can not be rushed.

The brits tried rushing it, and lost Colossus because of that. They lost because they were idiots.

>Please explain how German will be unable to support two battleships and maintain a military advantage against countries that are being systematically crippled politically and economically.

They are crippling countries exactly because they will be unable to maintain their advantage; all that the other sides need to catch up and beat the Nazis is time. That's why they are scorching the earth as fast as possible.

But they won't be able to break USA and the Soviet Union, those places are just way too fucking big to level a city at a time.

There's no way she's going to let Patton win anything.

If he tries he'll do well for a couple issues then get his shit kicked in out of nowhere by something.

uberhitler isnt complaining about the food because of shortages, it's because he has to eat that glucose paste

She very was fatigued at that point though, which leads to lowered abilities both on Physical and Halo enhancements, so they shouldn't have needed a direct hit at that point to inflict damage to her.

uberhitler is not an uber.

Rommel turned a new experimental technology (tanks) into a war-winning force that conquered France in a few weeks. Patton completely owned Rommel at his own game in north Africa.

Tankmen or the exactly same type of game-changing military assets, and Germany doesn't have anyone the caliber of Rommel anymore. So there's a good chance that Patton could do game changing tactics.

Hitler isn't an uber.

"Mobility Kill" look it up you nigger. the significance is that she can no longer be rapidly deployed, this means if the allied high command can ever get a tab on her she is a non factor because they can move outmaneuver her if Patton every gets winds of how germany is protected by a non-moblie battleship he will have a field day in europe.

I'm not talking about Patton's actual capabilities, i'm talking about the narrative.

There is a difference between wanting to see the Nazis just straight up lose and wanting to see them stop steamrolling every enemy they face and effortlessly counter every single weapon brought against them.

Count how many issues they had showing the build up of Jew Hulk just to have her get incapacitated in one page.

Are you going to say this is great story telling and pacing?
When right before Jew Hulk there was the a Battleship dropped right on London that just walked away without a scratch?
And before that building up Colossus?

That the biggest Ally victory was a complete miracle from the Russians getting a super halo stacked battleship despite not knowing how to make anything besides standard tankmen?