A lot of people here feel like it's some sort of great injustice that Ewing's comics keep bombing over and over again despite their perceived quality, but are they really as great as Sup Forums makes them out to be?
Every writer was green and unknown at some point, until they produced some work that gave them wider exposure. For Alan Moore, it was Swamp Thing, for Grant Morrison, it was Animal Man, for Neil Gaiman, it was The Sandman, for Peter Milligan, it was Shade the Changing Man. Even recent writers follow this pattern, Geoff Johns and Green Lantern, Rick Remender and Uncanny X-Force, Ed Brubaker and Captain America, Matt Fraction and Hawkeye, etc.
And yet despite all this, I've yet to see Ewing's breakout hit, his works are good, yes, but only within the bubble that is superhero comics. They're just "good superhero comics", nothing terribly special. He hasn't produced anything that transcends the medium like Moore's Swamp Thing or anything with wide appeal like Fraction's Hawkeye, so is it really surprising that Ewing's comics do not sell?
TL;DR: Al Ewing is not as great as you make him out to be and won't be until he steps up his game.
And yes, I just put Moore and Fagtion in the same sentence, sue me
Dominic Wright
You're attacking an opinion that doesn't really exist. I like Ewing because he's a solid cape writer with a good grasp of history and continuity which is more than you can say for most Big Two writers these days. Who the fuck has ever equated him with Alan Moore?
Also, comparing any of those newer writers to gods like Moore, Morrison, and Gaiman is fucking retarded. I mean Geoff Johns' Green Lantern, fucking really?
I'm sorry but this is just a bad thread all around.
Nicholas Powell
>Geoff Johns and JSA or Avengers FTFY
But yea I agree, and think Johns, Brubaker, Fraction and Remender are the same, they just write good cape comics, though Remender and Brubaker have some amazing non cape books.
Samuel Morales
His last issue of Mighty Avengers was extremely good. Check it out if you haven't read it. Just because a run isn't famous doesn't mean it's not good. I bet you'd say Jeff Parker isn't good either.
Daniel Parker
Also, do you notice a trend with the runs you stated? You're comparing writers who's major work was decades ago and recent stuff that was overhype because of the characters who stared in them. If Deadpool and Wolverine weren't in Remender's X-Force run, I bet you it would have disappeared off everyone's radar in a heartbeat.
Connor Gray
I only read a couple of issues of Ewing's Ultimates and it struck me as someone trying to ape metaphysical writing of someone like Gaiman or Morrison, without really understanding it. Not unlike how Fraction came off in his Thor run. I didn't mind his character work as long as it was rooted down more.
Gabriel Nelson
t. I can't read
Don't bother replying if you're not smart enough to do so, mongoloid.
Isaiah Walker
>assblasted OP detected You literally started the thread by implying every poster reading it loves Al Ewing, so yea, you're arguing against an imaginary opinion.
Xavier Myers
Please don't compare Parker to the guys he mentioned (except Johns). It makes you look dumb.
Adrian Davis
If you had read the storytimes you'd know that "Ewing is a seriously underrated writer who deserves to sell more!!" isn't an unpopular opinion around here.
Kevin Robinson
There is a reason I've been doing this for two years:
>Ewing
Xavier Bennett
So? That doesn't justify your leap to thinking that people consider him to be as good as Moore and Morrison. People want him to sell more because he's one of the few writers at Marvel who doesn't just use the comic as a horrible soapbox. Liking a writer doesn't mean everyone thinks he's the GOAT. Your thread is fucking retarded.
Brayden Cooper
>your leap to thinking that people consider him to be as good as Moore and Morrison I never said that, learn to read please.
Camden Ramirez
He really is not a great writer, and his books sell about what they should sell.
I have yet to see what is good in USAvengers.
Evan Peterson
You're saying that if he's any good, he'll have a breakout comic on the level of Moore and Morrison, which is retarded, because even fucking Bendis had a breakout comic.
Grayson Ward
Alright writer but uses too many minorities to the point the boook boombs.
Jordan Walker
Ewing's masterpiece is Loki Agent of Asgard. Everything else he's done can go into the gutter.
Colton Wilson
Ewing is a solid writer content to have fun with comic book superheroes.
He doesn't have to be a forgotten messiah or satan incarnate.
Ultimates is fun and benefits from strong art by Travel Foreman. It's occupying a niche for the 'widescreen' comics of the early 00's that Stormwatch and the Authority filled and that Mark Millar bought to Marvel with the original Ultimates run.
Meanwhile Bryan Hitch is doing a justice league comic that no one seems to give a shit about.
Ethan Roberts
Nah those were editorial demands that he turned into good books rather than [UNSOLICITED OPINIONS ON ISRAEL]
Xavier Richardson
>uses too many minorities
Because remember, you can do anything in comic books, except include more than two non-white characters.
Cameron Allen
Yes? Hate him all you want but at least Bendis built a fanbase for himself, as retarded as that fanbase may be. Ewing hasn't managed to do so, which is a testament to how flavorless and bland his comics are.
Owen Ortiz
I doubt it has anything to do with minorities. If anything it's him avoiding popular characters like the plague.
Jacob White
>Meanwhile Bryan Hitch is doing a justice league comic that no one seems to give a shit about. And sells about five times more.
Anyway, nobody fucking believes that Hitch is a great writer or anything like that.
Kayden Lopez
Guy legitimately has a fetish for black men though, it's clear from his dialogue.
Julian Campbell
USAvengers could literally be written by an eveyday writer like Jurgens, nobody would give a fuck.
But is Ewing, the savior, so it is excellent by default.
Colton Bennett
>how flavorless and bland his comics are.
Ultimates is almost nothing but grandiose and amazing moments that have huge philosophical implications.
The tragedy is that it doesn't always read well issue-to-issue because the characters' exact motivations can feel mercurial, and some character float in and out of focus for too long.
Carol talking to T'Challa in a diner while they're both in disguise is an amazingly well written character moment, immediately interrupted by Anti-Man butting in.
Blue Marvel and Monica Rambeu discussing that she no longer needs to eat or sleep because she can turn into light and the implications of that about her senses and even her humanity are left as tantalizing details.
But because nothing is centered the story sputters.
Charles Nguyen
Why do you do this, Ewing-hatefam? I've seen you post this so many times.
Brayden Stewart
Justice League has all the Rebirth momentum, Ultimates is buried by Marvel's confusing renaming and relaunching structure.
Aiden Ramirez
His name is Bitch Ewing, get it right.
Luke Campbell
>huge philosophical implications. This is why cape readers are considered retarded.
Josiah Hall
People like him because he's one of the only writers at Marvel that cares.
He cares enough about the characters and their world to try to do them justice. Hawkeye feels like Hawkeye. Squirrel Girl feels like Squirrel Girl.
Part of why I wish he was more popular is because I want this approach to be more popular. I just want Marvel to give a shit.
Wyatt Evans
>amazing moments that have huge philosophical implications. hahahaha
Aiden Russell
Minorities in general = sales down. Not my fault most people even so called non racists avoid them.
Most people are clannish and what to relate to sonething that looks like themselves.
Ryder Reed
what are the comics from DC and Marvel that Ewing has written?
Parker Myers
äüü
Landon Adams
I wasn't comparing, but he is a good writer but doesn't have an overblown memorable work
Lucas Collins
Well pardon me for thinking it's fun when Master Order eats Lord Chaos and they become Logos, a terrifying new cosmic threat and clever allegory for the tension between editors and readers in regards to continuity in superhero comics.
What comics am I supposed to like?
Bentley Evans
OP you're a fag lol
Asher Sullivan
Like whatever you want, but not even Ewing's mother would agree with "huge philosophical implications".
Luis Myers
Cape comics are all about hyperbole.
GALACTUS, THE WORLD EATER HAS NOW BECOME GALACTUS THE LIFE BRINGER!!!!
Wyatt Green
>I've yet to see Ewing's breakout hit, his works are good, yes, but only within the bubble that is superhero comics. They're just "good superhero comics", nothing terribly special. >Geoff Johns and Green Lantern, Rick Remender and Uncanny X-Force, Ed Brubaker and Captain America, Matt Fraction and Hawkeye
Hunter Wilson
...
Colton Brown
Listen mate, I'm not saying those comics were masterpieces or anything, but they clearly did something right that made them breakout hits. Ewing has yet to do that.
Chase Robinson
OP is right. Evey one of these works is better than THE LIFE BRINGER!!!
Andrew Baker
He never provides an answer. The reason is memetics. Or at best "I don't like his face".
Grayson Allen
ITT OP starts a thread to respond to the strawman posts he created months ago.
Jack Cox
>Ewing's masterpiece is Loki Agent of Asgard. Yes. >Everything else he's done can go into the gutter. "No."
Kayden Allen
I've only read his team comics, which he seems to do in abundant nowadays. They have only been decent to good and Johns tier. I need to see more of his solo comics to form a proper opinion.
Ryder Harris
Someone has yet to say what USAvengers has that makes it stand out.
Sure as hell isn't the art. Sure as hell isn't the characters. Sure as hell isn't the plot.
Noah Lee
I'm finding USAvengers pretty meh desu. same With New Avengers (although that did have a collection of undeniable moments by the end).
Robert Cruz
So the criteria for greatness is entirely monetary now? I mean, that makes perfect sense, I agree. But the OP's arguing pure [TRANSCENDENCE] which muddles the context. Oh hey, it's you! Read some Galactus comics since last time?
Robert Williams
I like Ewing's work but I think the climate has changed too much for him to produce a so called "breakout hit". I'm not sure why you're attacking him. His comics are among the few still worth reading when it comes to Marvel.
Parker Evans
Because if something's not amazing, then it doesn't deserve praise.
I guess.
Oliver Nguyen
Not Ewing's fault editorial pushes them so hard either
Lincoln Sanchez
Wait so now having sales has nothing to do with quality? Make up your mind here chief.
Sebastian Perry
t. Jealous dcbitch
Ewing shits on any writer working at DC right now.
Evan Hernandez
It's 100% Ewing's own doing. No way did editorial push White Tiger, Blue Marvel, Power Man, or Monica on him.
He just likes who he likes, which is heavily motivated by the Marvel books he like growing up in the 80's.
Charles Roberts
I like Al as much as the next guy, but let's not turn this into company wars bullshit.
Kevin Nelson
>most comic readers look like Batman
Juan Evans
He gets it. Simple as. He gets that comics should be fun. He gets that comics should be epic. He gets that comics can do things as a medium others can't. He gets that continuity is one of Marvel's major strengths, but also gets that change & development & forward momentum used to be too. Plus he sees potential in everything; the shit he's pulled off with bare bones basic literally whos like Blue Marvel or Power Man II or White Tiger XVII is insane. I've yet to see him write off a character as useless or worthy of derision, like so many other continuityfags have. He's the EiC Marvel needs but doesn't deserve tbqh.
nb; I don't bitch about his sales figures or saltily compare him to other writers, so maybe I'm not even the intended audience for this post. I just enjoy his comics. A lot more than I do any other modern capeshit writer.
Owen Peterson
>now? No because some of those aren't even huge sellers. They wowed critics and comic book readers and have become memorable runs that are still talked about many years later.
Cameron Reed
His fans pretend like his comics are amazing though not just "OK"
Elijah Peterson
Marvel's continuity is far more closely-knit, even if he knows & cares as much about DC continuity I don't know if he'd be as effective there.
Luis Reed
...And? I just don't see why you or anyone else would care.
Hunter Hernandez
It's just the truth, my friend.
Anthony Gomez
So basically wait until Ultimates is a few years older is what you're saying?
Mason Taylor
>Ewing shitting on Priest, Yang or Russell Yeah, nah
Oliver Nelson
:^)
Cooper Gomez
Even the My Chemical Romance guy is a better writer. AND a more successful one.
Owen Parker
>He gets that comics should be fun Comics shouldn't be anything. It's a big medium and there are a million different stories you can tell. Books, music, movies, comics, video games etc DON'T have to be a certain thing, that's retarded. You're just selfish and want to be pandered to 24/7.
Luke Perry
Don't make me laugh.
Juan Parker
Tom King has managed to reach acclaim in the recent climate, so I don't think that's the problem.
Jace Collins
His two comics are selling 20k and 12kk, that's not success and he's not as good a writer as Ewing.
Julian Rogers
Through his one Marvel comic.
Adam Myers
>Priest can send a relevant message about urban violence using comics in the current political climate >Ewing just shits retarded cosmic concepts and masturbate to chronology.
Yeah, Ewing is clearly the best one.
Blake Morris
>What is "The Umbrella Academy"?
Brandon Brooks
Priest has written one great comic his entire career and is now working on a horrible character, he has no sense of pace and his dialogue is ass.
Jason King
Most whites want to read about whites. Sales suggest so.
We live in the same world where black people action figures rarely sell well.
Nolan Morales
I agree. That's why I consistently buy the epic one instead. :^)
Caleb King
Where did Lifebringer touch you user?
Jordan Parker
And he still is better than Ewing in all these things listed by you.
How much of a retarded do you have to be to think EWING is a master of literature?
Thomas Price
Jared pls
Dominic Smith
I don't much care for literature. I'd rather read a good comic.
Camden Garcia
So Priest is writing a great book with a horrible character. while Ewing can't with an essemble of his favourites. Ewing must be really shit then.
Lincoln Lee
Don't have to be a master of literature to be better than the lot you listed.
William James
No wonder you love Ewing so much, illiterate fuck.
This is the average Ewing fan, folks.
Luke Garcia
You must not live in reality.
Black barbie is a poor seller. White countries have white faviorism.
Levi Gomez
Exactly. So Ewing should be able to have a breakout hit as well.
Leo Myers
The reason he got popular was that he was one of the few writers at Marvel doing the stuff Marvel comics are supposed to do, like paying attention to continuity and the way the characters have behaved in other comics. Things that writers of the post-Bendis generation basically feel they're too good for.
Mighty Avengers was the Avengers comic that felt the most like what a "real" Avengers comic should be. That doesn't make it great, necessarily, it just means the big Avengers writers weren't doing that.
I don't think he's done something yet that really qualifies as one of the all-time great Marvel runs, but there's still time to do that, especially if the "back to basics" revamp allows him to do stories with more emotional resonance.
Comparing him to Vertigo and indie writers is a bit unfair. The real comparison is to other meat-and-potatoes superhero comics. By that comparison he's doing good, not great, at a time when few writers are even good.
Samuel King
t. someone who doesn't realize literature and comics are different. I mean nothing will ever compare when judged against a metric it isn't.
Sebastian Murphy
congratulations you failed the litmus test go back to shitposting on your own board
Blake Jones
Seriously: what is your major malfunction user? We're here for you.
Adrian Martin
>popular With select posters on Sup Forums. Ewing does cancellation numbers and that's all he'll ever do, especially after the embarrassing drop between US Avengers 1 and 2.
David Martinez
I live in one where fictional characters are entertaining for reasons other than what color they are. Novel, innit?
Angel Gray
>This is the punctuation use of your average Ewing fan.
Kevin Edwards
there is a loud minority here that shills ewing however, the truth is, ewing SUCKS
Brandon Roberts
Which doesn't sell in reality hence every book he has is axed.
Even old fiction had mostly white characters, which sold.
Camden Myers
It's entirely accurate to say that despite not necessarily having animosity for black people, the idea of watching a black movie or television show or a reading a black book appeals to very few white people in the US. Even liberal, progressive Hollywood acknowledges this, knowing full well that having too many black persons in a cast will turn it into a "black movie" and reduced turn-out. Black Panther's going to be an interesting experiment, and it's definitely a calculated risk, that's why it's coming after so many other successful predominately white cape movies.
Mason Baker
>Comparing him to Vertigo and indie writers is a bit unfair. The real comparison is to other meat-and-potatoes superhero comics. This desu I fucking love the madman but never have I called him the next coming of Moore. No shit, he ain't. He's too busy having fun. Low and behold, that attitude's endearing. Although hey if being the only current Marvel writer with and oldschool Marvel mindset can get certain forgotten practice's foot back in the door he could have one hell of an impact.