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Are the reviews posted? Not like people can't figure it out
Film criticism has reached a new low point.
Take this moment to remember the man who crashed the site with 1 bad review for a movie the public hadn't even seen yet.
OH NO NO NO
Pic related will hate it.
Why doesn't Warner Bros just shut down Rotten Tomatoes all together
It's profitable I guess.
They are gonna get mossaded for not giving it a super high score since bottom right is from Israel.
what review was that?
The review embargo is the same. Rotten Tomatoes is shilling their new YouTube show where they reveal scores, so they won't post it. But metacritic will.
i think comcast owns it
Is WB paying them to delay this?
Metacritic isn't owned by WB, though, so they'll have a score ready.
Oh no no no no no
land of the free
goddamn burgers you can't even review a movie lmao. The worst this planet has to offer.
Oh you're right, they used to own it but now just hold a minority stake
He's clearly waiting for better reviewers to see it so he can either like or hate it. The opposite of what they do.
WB owns the site.
Look at this dude!
HAHAHA HERE COMES THE FAILURE
DC will never recover.
He dissed the dark knight and usually disses all msm
The embargo is dropping at the same time it's always been, but RT's YouTube channel has a thing where they reveal the score now, and with JL being a "big" movie why not do it for that you know?
Film critism is dead
I take it back. He praised Transformers, Grown Ups. He is a batshit psycho
Also, canceled my pre-tickets when I heard they did this. I will wait for a cam-rip. That is $17 less to contribute to the Hollywood Jew.
That only counts for critics that were given review screenings right? They sign some NDA thing? It says it has already premiered in LA for the public (?) so I guess they could publish reviews if they wanted?
Flashpoint can't come soon enough. Just wipe this shitshow from existence.
Recast everyone and kill Snyder.
Toy Story 3
RT destroyed their own comments section personally because Armond White got thousands of death threats for not liking a kids movie, not even joking.
Then Chris-chan's faggot brother tried to get in on the fun and everyone made fun of him.
LEDDIT review from an early screening
biggest PRO is that the after-credits scene is nice
that's a real thing holy shit lmao goddamn burgers
We'll just keep making unprofitable films forever, no big deal
The reviews WILL be published. RT won't aggregate them until they air their show.
This is the guy who compared BVS to BLM.
favorite movie is MoS followed by BvS and SS
stopped reading right there
How long till the reviews
My brother saw it last night and absolutely loved it, though he loves all capeshit
same site gave BvS a 62/100
it's over, DCbros. Just admit you've lost
DCEU film dummy
Reviews start coming out tonight, RT reveals score on Thursday at 12am Eastern
A few hours.
Sounds about right
the reviews come out today but the RT score not till tomorrow
MoS is the best edited film comparing it to BvS and SS.
still could've said he didn't like those and wanted to see how JL turns out
this piece of turd is better than these other turds because it has a better shape
10 minutes to showtime
what other choice did he have
is that a review?
omg, this is sooooo juicy
Anybody that takes tomatos seriously is a loser.
The review embargo is a condition that the production company sets, because it wants to protect its investment. Rottentomatoes would have no reason to have it's own embargo, except they're run by the same company.
2. Wonder Woman and Aquaman are the future of DC Films.
The critical huzzahs for Patty Jenkins’ Wonder Woman arguably mattered more than the big box office, a notion that applies to Justice League as well. But the Gal Gadot/Chris Pine actioner proved that DC Films could make a beloved crowdpleaser along with giving the brand their own iconic version of a given marquee character.
Assuming James Wan’s Aquaman is at least a solid three-star entertainment, and I’d be shocked if it wasn’t considering his track record, then Justice League will merely be an obligation to power through before getting to the next wave of DC Films offerings. And yeah, I’d argue that also applies to Avengers: Age of Ultron (ditto a famous in-house director dropping one last biggie before exiting the brand after much studio tinkering).
Yeah, it is a little odd that Justice League is essentially now viewed as something to get out of the way, an honorable close to the Zack Snyder trilogy before the would-be course correction can begin in earnest. Even if folks don't take to Justice League, Warner Bros. can point to Wonder Woman as a proof of concept and Aquaman as their next likely crowdpleaser.
Wonder Woman and Aquaman. Patty Jenkins and James Wan. The future (of DC) is AMWF.
reverting the superman theme from MoS one to classic
Instead, they opt for a wisecracking, smartass Batman
"wtf I love quips now" - DC fans in a few days
More like contrarianism personified. Wouldn't be surprised if he posted here
Doesn't matter once plebs do
The review embargo hasn't changed though. RT is literally shilling their channel.
Owner: Fandango Media
Warner Bros. Entertainment/Time Warner (30%)
DC: AAAAAAGH SAVE ME ASIANS AND FEMINISM
holy shit, even well-hated mummy had better
11:50 PST/2:50 AM EST
are they like pumping in fresh money from somewhere - theres so many total crashes or just slightly profitable shit lately they should be running out of moolah
how many hours
Tomatometer score reveal Thu at 12:01am ET
Midnight Pacific tonight is when the embargo lifts
Just a reminder that Rotten Tomatoes is literally owned by Warner Brothers
Rotten Tomatoes is shilling their new YouTube show where they reveal scores
They need to get over themselves.
be a marvelfag
mfw Sup Forums this past week
Its been glorious watching DC fail so fucking hard
desu did anyone sincerely expect anything but trash from JL? The trailers, the reshoots etc.
All these early reviews just confirm what everyone already knew in a way or another. It's just a soulless cashgrab.
I feel bad for Affleck desu because he really seemed hellbent on being a great Batman but he just got the shittiest luck ever, being put on DC's frantic imitation of Marvel's kikery
unironically being a capeshit fan
Literally only retarded pajeets fall for company fags meme, gtfo tv
be a normal sane human being
It's an amazing time to be a marvel fan it's so great in fact that it'salmost impossible to remember a time when DC was the tip dog everyone knew and marvel was stuck in a corner with DnD and other loser nerd shit
best thing about all this is not only watching DC fail but they have to keep relying on their past dogshit movies to support their current ones.
flashes scene in martha vs martha will eventually need to be touched on, they're dealing with supermans "death", and so much more
we'll always be reminded how terrible this storyline is
flashes scene in martha vs martha will eventually need to be touched on
there is nothing more i want now than these shits to finally fucking die
Do they? You have noticed how invested you all are in the score right?
Marvel still has a good 5 years left in it. Everytime it seems like they're starting to lose it they release movies like Thor 3 that show that at least someone at Marvel knows what they're doing.
Marvel MADE this cinematic universe meme. Waiting for it to collapse because knock-offs failed is like waiting WoW to shut down because Conan MMO failed.
That's a good comparison my dude.
it "re-freshed" cinematic universe. it was universal who made them, just noone remembers movies from 40s
STOP MAKING FUN HATERS AQUAMAN COOL YES
It was probably when TDK was king
14 TV shows
still going strong
It's not going anywhere.
It's literally worse than SS. How the fuck can a big company be so incompetent so many times in a row?
They're going to turn on Zaddy faster than they did with Nolan.
The shows are starting to collapse though to be fair
Universal's attempts can hardly be called a cohesive planned universe; they were just them crossing over all their popular movies with Abbott and Costello and they didn't give even the slightest shit about continuity, or even getting the right fucking actors. You would've done a better job using certain Japanese examples.
it's their own fault for trying to follow Marvel, then copy them in a worse way, not only has it already been done, but it's been done better
i want DC to succeed, but i have zero faith in the people behind these movies
Add more doors for Ghostbusters, Amazing Spider-man with it's Sinister Six shit, and Transformers/Hasbro.
Marvel just got the Spider-man back and are just about to get the F4 and X-men back
i wont be surprised if the MCU is still going by 2030
thats the problem, 24 movies. at some point it gonna eat own tail.
hardly anyone remembers anything from filler movies like ant man or thor dark world
they are literally shitting them out to milk as much as possible
The absolute state of dinsey manchildren fanbase
He is truly the heroe we need but not the one we deserve
Realistically this picture should include
Sony's amazing spider-man/sinister six franchise
Literally just Sony in general
Marvel is the Grim Reaper
Marvels knocking on the door of the Transformers franchise
tfw Deadpool 2 breaks a billion dollars, but Justice League doesn't.
Fuck reading. I want the movie's entire worth down to single percentage on RT.
hardly anyone remembers...ant-man
You wut. I still see it regularly popping up in conversations. One of Marvel's better movies.
thor dark world
Thor 2 is arguably the worst marvel film. Which is saying a lot since it was just kinda "bleh" and not even straight awful.
thats the problem, 24 movies. at some point it gonna eat own tail.
Well yeah, nothing lasts forever. It made billions and it lasted long enough.
you have to already be a fan to enjoy this shit
capeshit movies are made to appeal to normies and make them fans, not just to manchildren who already are
NOW company wars are bad because my favorite company is getting wrecked
Bu-but i hate all capeshit!
so why you are here?go make a thread or discuss in non capeshit threads
Because the banter is great
YOU GOT SOME NERVE BADMOUTHING JUSTICE LEAGUE Sup Forums FUCK YOU MARVELDRONES
Why did Joss Whedon have to fuck with something that wasn't his?
Why did Zack's daughter kill herself, causing Zack to drop out of post production.
Fixed that for you.
Zach's singular vision would surely have been even lower rated. Source: BvS was shittier than JL.
Thanks for this completely useless post
he likes cookie-cutter quipfests with no tension or pathos
It was a movie about society's hostile reactions toward a person who defied their expectations
no it wasn't
Lucky for me I know how to calculate percentages on my own. I'll have no trouble deducing this film's review score early for myself.
I know. The guy who wrote that is ACTUALLY that retarded.
oh you think so do you?
Well how about this
Yes it was
How hype is everyone for based laughing Chris Evans webm man when this one bombs?
No it fucking wasn't
If anything, that description fits MoS more than it does BvS
The movie must've been nearly finished anyway, right? How hard would it have been to just finish it from there? Why did they need a total revamp in terms of tone and style?
I don't hate capeshit, and don't hate films just because they are made by another company. Now go learn to shit on the toilet, shitskin.
I'm just excited to see all the shitflinging both on this board and on /co/
The d.c. is gonna be through the roof
THIS CAN'T BE TRUE SIR
WE NEED A RECOUNT
NO FILM HAS EVER REACHED A 100% WITH 10/10 SCORE
WHAT YOU SAY????
Why is this the only time a review embargo had been reported on ?
Surely this happens with all blockbusters these days ?
I cant wait.
Caring about both rotten tomatoes and capeshit.
All of you please change the URL address you're typing when you want to discuss movies.
This is seriously the very first time they're hyping a review score this bad
As if this movie deserve such buzz
Can't wait to see some new masterpieces
I'm so fucking ready you guys. My [
wife's friend group made us go see Suicide Squad, and I will never forget how shockingly appalled I was at how badly it was put together. Never had a theater experience like that before in my life.
That combined with being in the original thread where based webm guy revealed that one makes for such a magical time and place. Remember how much shitflinging there was last year on this board? I almost miss it.
Surely by this point Evans is fully aware of his status as a meme man and has fully embraced it, right?
A lot of blockbusters don't embargo reviews at all. Its only the DCEU that embargos reviews up to release day.
Here you go cuck
implying hes wrong
Back to your echochamber faggot
Completely missing the context and history of the post
Please go back to your containment board moron
They're not unprofitable, critics just destroy them
lmao didn't see this one before
Are you buttrurt, nu-male?
10/10 buzzwords anon, really got your point across
Brooding Batman was the only decent thing out of BvS
WB decides to change him into fucking Tony Stark
This film deserves to flop.
You're the reason why Trump will lose in 2020
But there was basically no social reaction to Superman in MoS
They don't even know he exists until he's summoned by Zod, at which point it all becomes about him fighting Zod, stopping the terraformer, then fighting Zod again. Then the movie ends.
being this utterly devoid of reading comprehension
barging into another board completely unaware of its historical memes
missing the context behind the original post referring to an Anon who made Chris Evans laughing webms after every DC movie bomb and thinking it was instead about Chris Evans himself
doubling down on the stupidity when called out
/pol/: not even once
Oh thanks that's good
So why hasn’t there ever been an outcry over an embargo before ?
Is this the first one reviews have been restricted so close to release ? I didn’t even know reviews got restricted desu
The reviews will be out by tomorrow
The only thing that won't be is the RTmeter
You know, the only thing anyone even cares about anymore
As someone who's seen the movie I genuinely think it's going to get good reviews
It's nowhere near the level of BvS and SS. It will land higher than MoS I predict
he's gonna come back and say he was pretending to be retarded all along, watch
They are bad movies that deserve a bad score. The real crime is that pieces of shit like Avengers Civil War and Wonder Woman are rating up there with movies like The Matrix and Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Kek calm down cry-baby. Don't take it so seriously.
It's just a prank bro
You are literally brain dead
A lot of the early reactions seem to be positive desu.
I think Sup Forums will be in for a surprise. Tbf everyone here thought WW would flop.
The only ones who will be surprised are you two losers
So you admit you were retarded then. Good.
I hate the DCEU.
I just think it would get as bad reviews as people are thinking.
Yeah but I do blame the Sup Forums echo chamber for Wonder Woman. Besides that one """anonymous letter""" to Kevin Tsujihara that """WB employee""" wrote, early press for WW was really positive and super relieved that they didn't fuck it up
I wished I still had this lack of self awareness you have, Anon
The only positive thing most reviews have consistently is that the characters are at least decent
They all keep complaining about literally everything else
You're in for one hell of a rude awakening when the time comes, son
How to spot a college freshman who thinks he has life figured out 101
I admit you stop wining like little bitch, it's not Reddit
Joke's on you motherfucker, I dropped out of college a year ago and am on the verge of killing myself
Eat that, bucko
Bruh. Look at this DOOD.
OH NO NO NO
LOOK AT THE TOP OF HIS HEAD!!!!
I should clarify, BvS and SS are two of the worst movies I've ever seen. But JL is at least as good if not better than most Marvel movies. It's definitely not perfect (CGi and editing remain huge problems) but it's objectively the best DCEU movie. (No way it scores as high as WW though)
"oh no, anon, you are wrong! RT does not, DOES NOT pander to film companies, ever!"
Manchildren need to man the fuck up.
Of course you would shill for Marvel and Disney
WB literally owns RT
Can someone post the sound of silence squad video?
Honestly with his skull shape I wouldn't even care.
critics are not boug-
This morning, the members of the New York Film Critics Circle, including me, voted to expel Armond White, the former critic of the now-defunct New York Press (and currently the editor and movie critic of CityArts), from the group. To me, it was a sad moment — pathetic, really, though Armond brought it on himself. A week ago, at the Circle’s annual awards dinner, White made a rude and bellicose spectacle of himself, as he did the year before, by heckling one of the winners — in this case, Steve McQueen, the director of 12 Years a Slave, a movie that White, in his review, had dismissed as “torture porn.” Make no mistake: He has every right to dislike 12 Years a Slave, a movie that he considers not a powerful historical docudrama but a sensationalist feel-bad fantasy that is subtly designed to make white people feel good about their own guilt.
It's like I'm on /co/mblr
Is there anything more embarrassing than a self-hating black man?
That’s a provocative view of an acclaimed film (Armond tosses out provocations like grenades and eats acclaimed films for breakfast). But last Monday night, during the awards ceremony, when McQueen got up to the podium to accept his award for Best Director, there were loud and disdainful comments coming from White’s table, and a number of witnesses who were within earshot quoted him as calling McQueen an “embarrassing doorman and garbageman,” and saying, “F— you, kiss my ass!” White has claimed, to writers from The Hollywood Reporter and The New York Times, that he wasn’t heckling, that he and others at his table were just talking amongst themselves. (He has also denied that he said any of those words.) But I was sitting about 40 feet away from him, and though I couldn’t make out everything that was said, I can testify: Everyone at my table lurched around to see where the loud, jeering, disruptive comments were coming from. This unquestionably fit the definition of heckling. It was all meant to be heard by the room at large. When White later claimed that his comments were “sotto voce” (a musical term that literally means “soft voice”), he was either lying or lying to himself, or perhaps both.
Hollywood movies are made by some of the worst people in the world, a fact that all parties in the Harvey Weinstein scandal have now made clear. To understand who they are and the banality of their disreputable behavior, look to The Meyerowitz Stories
The Meyerowitz surname stands for particular family traits of bickering and covetousness
Like Harvey Weinstein, Sandler’s Danny [Meyerowitz] epitomizes a self-serving weakness. Through this central character, [director] Baumbach perverts our understanding of the family, that central unit of civilization where we learn fellow feeling — or else we never do learn it and are stuck with the inescapable misery of tribal vanity.
Yet almost no one in the critical constabulary will dare criticize it for fear of losing prestige, scared of having to look inside only to be repulsed ... at seeing their own classist, racist, tribal mediocrity.
The Meyerowitz Stories is rooted in New York–Hollywood greed, arrogance, and egocentricity.
Pray harder DCucks PRAY HARDER
Richard Roeper, Chicago Sun Times: "A lightweight and basically unnecessary attempt to once again bring some cinematic life to the DC Universe."
Christy Lemire: "Laughably cheesy, bordering on Zardoz levels of simplicity."
Peter Rainer, Christian Science Monitor: "The special effects are cheesy, the acting perfunctory, the plotting pallid."
Sarah Marrs, Lainey Gossip: "After 70 minutes of being a grimdark body horror take on superheroes, Justice League turns into an Avengers movie. You can actually hear the Warner Bros. execs shouting, "Be more like the Avengers!""
Matthew Bond, The Mail on Sunday (UK): "Although this lacks the complexities of some recent superhero adaptations, this will still keep a party of bored teenagers happy on a rainy afternoon."
Philip Kollar, Polygon: "I'm not opposed to a slower-paced, character-centric superhero film, in theory. The problem with Justice League is that these characters aren't interesting. They don't start interesting, and they don't go anywhere interesting."
David Fontana, Film Inquiry: "The film suffers from an uninteresting plot, poorly developed characters, and a rushed, anti-climactic final battle."
let me show how speshul I am by diverting attention from [CURRENT EVENT] by bringing up some random story no one gives a shit about
Every fucking time Armond does this shit. Give it a rest man, we get it, you're so very smart
How many of you are on the mouse's payroll? 200? 2000?
I'm only interested in supe in this movie. Does he do something interesting?
OH NO NO NO
bordering on Zardoz levels of simplicity
so it's unironically kino?
You can actually hear the Warner Bros. execs shouting, "Be more like the Avengers!""
nice try soyboy
These are Fant4stic reviews
I see you can't read.
Inc prayer circle
Good luck DCEU. I'll help your opening weekend number, but if it's shit like BvS and SS again I'll do my part that you won't get to $1B.
A SECOND FRESH REVIEW
Goodbye DCEU, it was okay while it lasted.
I hope this turd marks the end of Gal Gadot's career.
We gonna have a link to the JL version of this leddit discussion? I think we could have a ball with it in real time.
How does Marvel get capeshit so right but DC gets it so wrong ?
Why does she want to be typecasted into fantasy roles?
Nazi Revenge Thriller
every year they gotta pump our media full of white people and their crimes and the revenge necessary for them
A SECOND FRESH REVIEW
cracks me up every time
S O Y
They started small and continued safe, with a quirky twist every movie.
numale betacucks adamantly defending their capeshit against each other
I thought rotten Tomatoes were in the pocket of Disney/Marvel!
Why, this turns my world upside down!
Also they took their time. They develop their characters through various movies and for years. They didn't just expect you to like these characters with 20 minutes of screen time. Nothing was rushed unlike the DC movies.
Disney/Marvel cooks a steak simply. They marinade it with some source material and season it with easter eggs and teases to what is down the pipe for the universe.
WB/DC/Snyder in most cases can't decide on a single marinade and use many which doesn't make for a particularly enjoyable flavor, they overseason out the ass with teases to what their plans are down the line, and get so fixated on the marinade and seasoning that with the exception of Wonder Woman, either cook it rare or well done.
-80% on RT
CALLING IT NOW
It's gonna be 45%, as in 1945: the year Hitler committed suicide in his bunker.
Come on anon. Get with the times.
You're going to need this a lot over the next few weeks.
they copy same safe formula
people like things they already know, anything new is too risky for them
DC however offers somethow new and intresting ideas, but they are very poorly executed.
Marvel does nothing new, but it is always formulating and pleases people.
Similar case with musicians. When band plays something for years and decided to change tone a bit, provide something new, usually it gets huge shitfest from fans who just want the same things all over.
I'm not Marvel or DC guy, not even into capeshit that much either.
is the thing I read here the other day about all of those deleted scenes being cut from the movie true?
Why do you people unironically watch and discuss superhero flicks?
It happens all the time in vidya, shame they're starting to do the same when it comes to new movie releases.
American here, that sounds impossible, are you trolling?
Mind if I save that one?
Here is one for your collection
I wish I were a critic so I could give a horrible review on purpose just because of this.
Now now, anon, I posted it right after yours specifically so you could save it. You're encouraged to. I'll happily save this though. Thanks.
people enjoy fun
They do know people don't see the movies cause they are bad, not cause a site gives them a score?
Considering the amount of bank Avengers brought in, I can't exactly blame them.
'Toy Story 3' is so besotted with brand names and product-placement that it stops being about the innocent pleasures of imagination — the usefulness of toys — and strictly celebrates consumerism.
This guy is good.
Warner said we had to wait a week to cash the check
still replying to this fake shit
great job capecucks
...will not happen
To be honest I don't give a fuck about capeshit, but the shitposting on the days BvS and Suicide Squad reviews came out was some of the best time I've had on Sup Forums. I hope this shits the bed purely for the shitposting kino it would bring.
Does anyone still have that DCEU video with Hurt in the background?
I AM THE PRINCE OF ALL KRYPTONIANS
This. I hate Marvel movies but DCcucks are insufferable.
it was a big letdown when wonder woman turned out to be decent
Wonder Woman was shit, but the "stronk womyn" shit made it immune to criticism from progressives. And it just so happens that 90% of film critics are progressives
this is so well made, it's impressive
Just wait until the reviews start showing up tonight. I wonder when anon will have another JUSTice League tier vid up on yt. I really don't think anon is compelled to produce quality OC as much as when they find a pure vein of schadenfreude to mine.
changing white characters into MUH MINORITIES makes for a shitty movie
I thought the jews would learn after The Fantastic 4 shitbomb
Remember when they had to shut down the comments for Dark Knight Rises because fans were threatening negatives reviews with death?
Capefags are fucking retarded and will lap up any shit with a Marvel/DC logo on it. That's why Suicide Squad is getting a sequel.
where's green lantern? he was my favorite justice league character.
The stink from his solo movie is still fresh enough that they're hedging with him
That doesn't stop them from making movies about any other character with a shitty movie. And there's multiple Green Lanterns they could use for a movie, it's not just one guy.
Batman, Spider-Man, and Wolverine have been proven to be bankable, so they get 2nd and 3rd chances, whereas Green Lantern bombed badly taking in $220M worldwide on a $200M budget.
I think Justice League is already at max capacity with characters for the movie as is, and GL deserves a better than a cursory introduction. I wish we got a GL movie instead of Suicide Squad.
So when does the score comes out so I can get on with the shitposting?
what site is this?
Critics' Choice (Broadcast Film Critics Association)
they are one step above no name movie buff bloggers who count as "critics" on RT
I knew this would happen. Joss Whedon just had to ruin Snyder's masterpiece. What a shame.
They only own 30%. They can't do shit.
well he does get paid to make them.
It was gonna suck with snyder too, faglord
airs gets sucked out of the room creating a vacuum, people die as gas water forms in the blood vessels of their brains
I think part of the reason they said "fuck it" on Origin story movies for the DCEU was that they were worried that characters like Cyborg and Aquaman wouldn't rake in the money and WB are all about that money. So they decided to place those movies after Justice League was introduced.
Its just a big risk that probably won't pay off to have your big team up movie be one of your first.
Yeah, just ignore everyone else saying the movie sucks.
it'll still make a billion +dollars. why does anyone even care any more
it's not like we have girlfriends or children to focus on. might as well shitpost about capeshit.
But it would be steady garbage
literally admitting this
reddit has arrived
YEAH PEOPLE GO ON 4CHAN TO PROMOTE TO YOU FAGGOTS
no he won't, he loves DC movies. He had Suicide Squad on his list of the year's best.
Is there any sadder example of a critic than White? A man who was once a great writer flexing a supreme intellect who has fallen victim to identity politics and become a Trump supporter?
this is the best day of my life
Enough that if you like the DCEU like us, you might as well just go enjoy the movie and not bother with social media or forums/4chan. Any posts we make are lost in a tide of trolling and memes.
Let's face it. The DCEU was done for the moment they put this hack at the helm.
It never stood a chance.
How do we fix retards?
his films are amazing though, he raised the bar for comic book movies.
It's gonna be 85%-90%
a DC movie won't get anything lower than that
I think most people were focused on Aurora, the end of the trilogy and some baneposting
why would either one be heartbreaking?? what a fag