How exactly did Scar being Lion King lead to the Prideland becoming a barren wasteland? What the fuck did he do?

How exactly did Scar being Lion King lead to the Prideland becoming a barren wasteland? What the fuck did he do?

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He turned into a Heartless and allowed the forces of darkness to sweep across the land after conspiring with Black Pete. Didn't you play Kingdom Hearts? It's mandatory for understanding the deep backstory of this film.

He let in all of those immigrants you see in the lower left corner, letting them fuck everything up.

>In many other parts of the world kings have been expected to regulate the course of nature for the good of their people and have been punished if they failed to do so. It appears that the Scythians, when food was scarce, used to put their king in bonds. In ancient Egypt the sacred kings were blamed for the failure of the crops, but the sacred beasts were also held responsible for the course of nature. When pestilence and other calamities had fallen on the land, in consequence of a long and severe drought, the priests took the animals by night and threatened them, but if the evil did not abate they slew the beasts. On the coral island of Niue¯ or Savage Island, in the South Pacific, there formerly reigned a line of kings. But as the kings were also high priests, and were supposed to make the food grow, the people became angry with them in times of scarcity and killed them; till at last, as one after another was killed, no one would be king, and the monarchy came to an end. Ancient Chinese writers inform us that in Corea the blame was laid on the king whenever too much or too little rain fell and the crops did not ripen. Some said that he must be deposed, others that he must be slain.
>It was the belief of the ancient Irish that when their kings observed the customs of their ancestors, the seasons were mild, the crops plentiful, the cattle fruitful, the waters abounded with fish, and the fruit trees had to be propped up on account of the weight of their produce. A canon attributed to St. Patrick enumerates among the blessings that attend the reign of a just king “fine weather, calm seas, crops abundant, and trees laden with fruit.” On the other hand, dearth, dryness of cows, blight of fruit, and scarcity of corn were regarded as infallible proofs that the reigning king was bad.
Being a bad king makes the weather bad because magic.

I gotta go back and play the earlier ones

Nothing wrong.

This , It's explained in a couple of lines during the movie, but the scene that properly tells the audience got cut.

The lionesses tell Scar that they need to move to new hunting grounds and he goes "lolno! This is my hood!" and forces everyone to stay there. In the deleted scenes, this is expanded with a few lines about how the hyenas ate everything.

>Ancient Chinese writers inform us that in Corea the blame was laid on the king whenever too much or too little rain fell and the crops did not ripen. Some said that he must be deposed, others that he must be slain.

coreans confirmed as retards

He and the hyenas disrupted the balance and disrespected circle of life

>What the fuck did he do.
Misguided social reforms and a poorly thought-out flagship policy, Scarcare, coupled with an uncooperative, opposition-dominated Congoress. Also, being very, very gay.

They just happened to be in the middle of a bad drought when Simba returned. The important thing about Scar being a bad king wasn't that this situation happened, but the way he handled it. Before the dry spell started, when a wiser king may have noticed or been alerted to signs that a drought was coming and prepared for it, he instead had probably driven away a lot of prey animals and encouraged over hunting to fulfill his promise to the hyenas and let them glut themselves in a brief time of plenty. That was his first big mistake, so when the drought hits and what's left of the prey completely skips town, there's absolutely nothing to eat. Then on top of that he deals with it in the worst possible way by stubbornly clinging to his territory purely out of misplaced pride, causing everyone under him to suffer and sowing seeds of discontent. I think multiple characters echo the idea that Mufasa (if things ever got that bad under him) would have just moved on and brought the pride to better land where there was water and possibly would have returned to Pride Rock after things evened out. It wouldn't have been that difficult considering there was a lush jungle apparently just a few days' journey away the whole time.

Why was this movie so racist against Hyenas? What exactly is "evil" about them and makes them worthy of disdain by the main characters? Whatever happend to "Circle of life"?

He wasn't very competent in controling the economy and disrupted the balance between what was eaten and what was spared. Though maybe we can't blame him, since his biggest allies were the hyenas and he promissed to give them food.

Still, if mufasa was in that situation he would probably have done a better job, since he was smart and could also control his people by being charismatic and intimidating rather than just cunning and TENACITY SPANNING. Scar should have been more diplomatic.

The movie wanted an ugly looking species with a bad rep to demonize for plot purposes. There's obviously nothing wrong with the way hyenas interact with their ecosystem in real life, or else they wouldn't be a part of it. But they're easy for people to paint as hateable, because in the right artstyle they look like misshapen mangy wolves (a historically hated species in itself) already, and what little the layman knows about them is that they're scavengers, a word that already has bad connotations because we associate scavenging animals with filth, garbage, uncleanness, and death: all things humans naturally need to steer clear of for survival. Put that with the fact that they're predatory enough to be frightening, and that they're one of the few animals on the savanna that are at least a match for a lion in a fight, and they become the obvious choice for bad guy characters in a movie about good guy lions.

As for why they'd choose to even put bad guys in a movie that's supposed to be about natural balance, it's just lazy writing.

overhunting of prey causing environmental degradation, or bringing immigrants to ruin society. Whatever your politics tells you.

hyenas = immigrants

something tells me live action remake will redeem them, knowing modern disney

Same reason sharks are evil in fiction

immigrants

jesus fuck people this is primary school shit
were you all educated in american schools?

>Wildebeest migrations are important both ecologically and economically. They play a vital role in ecosystem function and provide a number of important ecosystem services. They also have a direct effect on predator populations and other wildlife species, and on grass food resources (Sinclair et al., 2008). The wildebeest for example benefits the ecosystem by increasing soil fertility with their excreta.

He made the Prideland great again.

Judging by the overabundance of hyenas, I'm gonna guess he fucked up the ecosystem by introducing a predatory species in large droves to a primarily herbivorous region.

That being said, he and the hyenas are also fucked as overpopulation will soon lead to food shortages and the eventual collapse of Scar's kingdom.

Sound familiar?

So, did the wildebeest fuck off after the stampede?

Total coincidence. Random drout caused the prey to haul ass...but he WAS a shitty king.

Herds move with the seasons and lions are supposed to follow them. So the pride, which isn't allowed to leave, is going to have less and less resources as the weather changes on top of Scar letting the hyenas do whatever they want.

Scar didn't actually do anything, the pride lands becoming all fucked up was just symbolic.

The hyenas ate them all. I thought this was made explicitly clear.

Kingdom Hearts is the Lion Guard timeline. Completely different universe.

>What is Fisher King

More like the lions killed the stragglers and Scar forced them to share with/pay tribute to the hyenas.

How the fuck does hyenas eating everything kill all of the plants? Did they ate those too?

Bingo

Summer drought

The wrath of God, who was angry at the sinful Scar and his band of heathens

Scar didn't cause a summer drought.

>Text lists half a dozen different cultures doing the same thing

>Only Koreans are retarded

He didn't cause it. He was just too stupid to know how to deal with it.

See It's just symbolism.

And that's just one paragraph from a whole chapter about cultures around the world doing it.

Spotted hyenas successfully hunt and kill more prey on average than lions do. They're not actually scavengers, but full on hunters. It's the other 3 hyena species that are mainly scavengers.

I'm guessing part of Scar's deal with hyenas was that they would get to hunt first and then the lions would have to do with whatever was left. Look at how many fucking hyenas are in that picture compared to what, the fifteen or so in the pride? That's the only area where Scar really fucked up, that and not listening to what should have been basic survival instinct.

Scar was making the lionesses hunt for the Hyenas, according to a deleted scene.

That's actually true to nature. Hyena clans can be massive and the species has a rather complex social dynamic. A lion pride is barely 10 lions most of the time in the wild.

It is clear that the hyenas wiped out all of the prey, but since the post I was replying to brought up wildebeest specifically, I was wondering if it was meant to be in relation to the one scene involving wildebeest in the film.

Going by , I guess the soil gets less fertile when you remove the fertilizer.

Old belief that tightly linked the state of a country to its king, in every field or way imaginable.
A bad king will bring all kind of disasters, a good king won't see his kingdom suffer any.
It may be even more precise: a king's sin will redound on his kingdom.

tl:dr: because symbolism.

Since the "circle of life" is such an important thing in the movie, it fits that Scar, who doesn't give a shit about those rules, would cause a huge imbalance which would affect the area in a negative way. Mufasa pretty much laid out the rules in his "circle of life" talk and explained how it even affects how grass grows.

It's true too. If the amount of a species changes drastically enough, it will inevitably affect the environment.Things like animals eating, trampling, and just standing around over grass, plays a surprisingly big role in the growth of grass. So if Scar took over and just started eating all the big herbivores, the landscape would change over time.

You can take the hyenas out of the elephant graveyard, but you can't take the elephant graveyard out of the hyenas.

Reminds me of that incident in Africa where people assumed elephant herds and their movement was causing increased desertification, killed an enormous number of them, and then figured out later the elephants weren't the cause

Did you miss the part where Mufasa explains the circle of life? it's not that the hyenas directly killed the plants, but that them having such an overbearing presence in the ecosystem threw the circle of life off balance and gradually damaged everything as a whole. On top of that imbalance, there also happened to coincidentally be a drought. The drought was mostly for symbolism, but at the same time a good leader like Mufasa would have been able to take care of the pride by reacting accordingly to the situation.

SPBP
Because hyenas are a matriarchal society. So they obviously don't know how to manage their resources.

What I don't get is how hyenas must be banished and starve for everything else to live, as if they didn't belong in the Circle of Life.

Because it's an excuse to shit on the hyenas and the lions don't want to share their hunting grounds. They do the same to other lion prides to.

It's just an example of how massive herds of animals play a role in savanna ecosystems. The same applies to zebras too and also browsing animals like giraffes and elephants. You remove all these animals and the ecosystem suffers, maybe not as dramatically as in the movie but still.

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Not Africa, but still a good example of how a single species affects the ecosystem.

>Whatever happend to "Circle of life"?
Watch a nature documentary. The "Circle of Life" is lions and hyenas biting the shit out of each other and eating each other's young. Scar took two naturally hostile predator species and made them work together as one empire for him, and the herds went "fuck it" and moved on. There's no explanation for the water though.

More likely scar gathered his hyena army from all across the lands and congregated them so he could take over pridelands. Like genghis khan.

When he died the hyenas probably went back where they came from.

Africa regularly has a dry season and wet season. Droughts are nothing new for the African Savannah.

I wonder what the north american plains looked like when you had 30 million buffalo roaming around.

Removed the pride lands carbon tax

Two ways of looking at it.
One, it's a Fisher King situation. When the rightful king sits on the throne and is just, the land will be fruitful. When a Usurper sits on the throne, crops will shrivel.

Or they could have just been going through a dry season and blamed it on Scar, and Simba came back at the best time.

Why was Scar so shit at being King if he was supposed to be the clever one?

>Scar should have been more diplomatic.

I feel like one thing that gets overlooked is that Mufasa had a couple of good advisors working under him. He had Rafiki, who was clearly old, wise, experienced, adept at predicting things before they happened, and literally magic. Then he also had Zazu, who we see in one scene implying that he brought news and to Mufasa of what was going on with every single species in the kingdom every single day, and Mufasa seemed to have been in communication with all of the animals as well, even the ones he hunted.

Scar meanwhile doesn't seem to interact with Rafiki at all and we see he keeps Zazu locked in a cage singing for Scar's personal amusement. He sets the hyenas loose on the prey animals and so seems to treat them like resources more than subjects, probably didn't communicate with them at all. His right hand men are the hyena trio, who are a group of clueless flunkies who can't tell him anything useful beyond what the hyenas are feeling.

Funny thing is all lion males are usurpers. A new young male will come in, challenge the old male, and if he wins takes over the pride and chases off the old male or kills him. Sometimes brothers will stick together and take over a pride by double or even triple teaming the old pride leader. Then they kill all the old male's cubs and knock up their new harem with their own cubs.

Mufasa was in cahoots with nature.

Is "elephants" a new word for "Arabs"?

Being a good leader is usually more about being good with judgement and interpersonal relations above being smart. A good leader listens to smart or clever people and has the wisdom to know how to apply their knowledge and ideas rather than having to be smart themselves. Scar was great at planning a coup but terrible at giving a shit about anything outside of himself. He actually could have been a very valuable, high ranking asset to the kingdom if he just would have worked with Mufasa instead of insisting on conquering everything himself.

Scar had the shit luck of becoming king during the dry season and refused to move with the herds which is what Lions do in real life.

Lion trump let the Russians in.

Mufasa said that when they die, they become the grass and the prey eat the grass. Not enough people were dying.

The hyenas are voiced by Mexican and African-American voice actors, and one just speaks jibberish, while the lions are voiced by white Caucasians and speak properly. Scar tried to unite the two races but it failed horribly. The movie is stealth white supremacy.

>the lions are voiced by white Caucasians
What about Mufasa and Sarabi?

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They don't speak in stereotypical minority accents like the hyenas do. They sound white. My point stands.

Yep, those are a couple of white caucasians alright.

I just figured it was just a drought that he mishandled.
I don't buy this divine retribution crap or even the "hyena's caused it" excuse.
Why would you trust what a lion says about a hyena and vice-versa?

>no true scotsman
just give it up

They do not sound white. Sinclair definitely has an accent, or an odd marked lack of one by over enunciating. Jones may have a little of that going on too, but mostly its his deep baritone that sounds like a big "black" kind of voice over any sort of accent.

I thought the idea was that the hyenas were overhunting by coexisting w/ the lions (which brings up the question of HOW they were getting by w/ such huge numbers), but Hyenas are Scavengers, who primarily only eat already dead animals. They literally have a place in the great circle of life, but for reasons unexplained Mufasa just says "Naw, fuck them though" & forces them to live in a land of eternal darkness.

No, spotted hyenas are full on hunters. Them being scavengers is a misconception.

Because the Lion King is inspired by Hamlet which was the ruling-monarch's family propaganda.

Therefore Lion King is pro-Mufasa's lineage propaganda and also Lion propaganda.
And in real-life Lion and Hyena's are territorial rivals so there's lot's of anti-Hyena sentiment in there too.

Do you honestly, truly think it was a coincidence the hyenas sounded black and mexican, and that one spoke gibberish? That they were deliberately chosen to sound like that to represent the incompetent yet evil creatures who were unfit to live in the kingdom? \

Also, Scar represents the liberal politicians who rally the support of minorities to gain power.

Lions are more likely to scavenge than Hyenas and steal more of their kills.

fun fact, the lion roars in the lion king are actually tiger roars because they sound better than actual lion roars
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I think they were just meant to sound low class. And in america, (where the movie was made and who the movie was for) lower class people also tend to be racial minorities. If the setting was victorian england they would have had stereotypical cockney accents instead of black or foreign accents.

let niggers into the lions monoethinc society

>Also, Scar represents the liberal politicians who rally the support of minorities to gain power.
Nah mate, they literally modelled Be Prepared after Hitler's rallies.
He's the despot who gathered support amongst the uneducated, the isolated and the desperate to gain power.

Which I guess makes Mufasa the allied powers after WW1 whose demands of heavy reparations and alienation of Germany watered the seeds of discontent.

their behavior is vastly different from what Circle of Life dictates

Google the "Fisher King". It's a trope older than dirt that a monarch's realm will represent his true nature.

That reminds me, it would be cool if in Kingdom Hearts or some other Disney crossover we saw Shere Khan and Scar either fight or team up.

>Also, Scar represents the liberal politicians who rally the support of minorities to gain power.

Yeah, that sounds like what Disney intended.

>Also, Scar represents the liberal politicians who rally the support of minorities to gain power.

>>Also, Scar represents the liberal politicians who rally the support of minorities to gain power.
That's literally what Scar does in the movie.

Stay blue pilled, brothers.