How the fuck is it possible that this guy is STILL the best live-action Batman?

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Ben can't act and Bale is too ugly to be a convincing Bruce.

>Bale is too ugly
wat

he's not

Bale is handsome as fuck full homo

He has a weird face and great eyes. Like you could sense that guy is not all right at all. Also he was not very menacing or muscular, so it made sense he wore a bat suit to impress criminals.

George Clooney or Ben Affleck just look embarrassed to wear the bat suit.

Okay, maybe not ugly but he didn't seem like a convincing playboy millionaire kind of person to me. He has this underlying beta male insecurity in his eyes, I just don't believe that he's Bruce. Same way Hathaway can't really do a convincing Catwoman, she just doesn't have the confidence in her eyes to pull it off, she always look a bit sheepish.

Val Kilmer

Also Tim Burton's Batman still had comic book style gadgets with weird and interesting shapes, like the batmobile or the batwing, instead of the military boring Nolan's vehicles.

Burton got the tone completely spot on

Batman doesn’t need a director who makes huge blockbuster epics, it needs someone who can make a campy horror film (kinda like the guy who made the new IT)

He's not. You just have an obsession over a movie from your childhood.

have you seen honnest trailer from SJ?

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He has a permanent angry face
The cowl's scowl is like modeled after his own face

Probably because they realised trying to make a story about a vigilante billionaire who dresses as a bat 100% serious is a bad idea.

I still think Val was the best batman as well, too bad it was the shittiest batman movie

>he didn't seem like a convincing playboy millionaire
Patrick Bateman

I watched Willow last night for the first time in a long time. Val Kilmer is a fucking terrific actor.

Birdman

Even back when he was cast none of the critics believed he could pull it off either. Turns out he was made for the role

Because Keaton made Burton and the writers scrap most of his dialogue and lines.

What do Kilmer, Clooney, Bale and Affleck all have in common? They have a shit ton of one liners, speeches and monologues.

Keaton isn't the greatest actor of all time by any means, but he knew that with Batman that less is more. He's been quoted as saying that he and Jack "let the costumes do the work". It's not just Keaton, it's how they portray him in the two films. He's always lit in shadowy, chiaroscuro lighting. He's more theatrical. To date, he's the only Batman that uses his cape for drapage and intimidation. He's quiet, he doesn't talk much if at all. His actions and eyes do the talking.

Remember in the first film, when Vicki Vale keeps trying to get a look at him and he keeps moving around in the shadows so she can't get a good look. Or when Gordon tries talking to him in Returns and Batman blows him off, ignoring him? He always has that unamused scowl, a far cry from guys like Kilmer or Bale who look like they're struggling to breathe.

This is a loner Batman. You buy into Keaton as this orphan that watched the murder of mom and dad as a kid and how it fucked him up psychologically, more so than the others. Kilmer, Clooney, Bale and Affleck all have these goofy side kicks, whether it's fucking Chris O'Donnell, Morgan Freeman or the faggy dyde that plays the Flash. Keaton? He only had Alfred.

There is a mysterious, introvert quality to Keaton's Batman that makes him more interesting than the others. There is nothing gaudy or showy about him. You'd never see him at a fundraiser party whipping out a batcredit card in front of an audience (Clooney) or awkwardly telling Heath Ledger that "this city just showed yooooouuu that it's ready to believe in goooood" (Bale) and you'd never see him fighting during the day or screaming Martha.

He kept his cool and played it straight since that was the only thing that made sense to him. Anything else is admittedly goofy.

He was a comedic actor up until batman

VAL WAS THE BEST BRUCE WAYNE.

It's simple. As Bruce Wayne he's socially awkward and a bit of a weird Howard Hughes type. He's got these weird energetic movements and comes off as completely neurotic. Basically that Michael Keaton trademark.

But then when he's in costume, he plays it stone cold and serious. He's stoic as fuck, like you'd see him on the edge of a building and he could be mistaken for a gargoyle.

When the other actors are in the suit, it's *insert actor here* in a Batman costume. Their mannerisms show through and come off as goofy. With Keaton, it's like he becomes a completely different character. A bit of a Clark Kent/Superman scenario if you will.

The eyes. Hard to emote in a rubber mask and restrictive body suit without talking like an idiot, but he pulls it off effortlessly. He just looks like he's pissed off all the timewith that hardnosed no time for bullshit attitude.

Because he's really a Chad disguised as a balding beta manlet whereas the other live action Batmen looked like Chads but were really virgins. Why else do you think he's the only one that had literal Stacey girlfriends?

> has this underlying beta male insecurity in his eyes
you can't read eyes if you're on the spectrum, stop trying

I think ben affleck was the best and I'm not trolling. people who didn't like bvs can fuck off

Well said. I want to add that Keaton looks just crazy. Both Joker and Batman seems to be in the same bad place, although in different points of the spectrum. That scene where the Joker kills that guy with the feather (I think) and his minions start shooting and all the people is running to hide, but Keaton recognize Joker as the guy who killed his parents and he just walks toward Joker. He's transfixed, his eyes are wild: bullets passing him right by, one even hits him. He doesn't care or notice. He's fucked up good. I suppose to be Batman you have to have that kind of suicidal quality and Keaton had it naturally.

his suit in the first movie was also heavy as fuck and he coudn't turn his neck.
the suit in the second movie was lighter but still double the weight of any of the suits the other batman actors had

tbf he's tied with Bale for me

bale was the worst batman. that fucking terrible voice

Eh, I liked him in Batman Begins a lot. He really fucked up and went over the top in the TDK movies though. Same deal with Affleck. Best part about BvS, then completely ruined in Justice League. Dunno how you fuck up after doing a good job.

Keaton is consistently great in both his movies, I just wish he had a Warehouse action scene moment like the one in BvS.

best live action bruce wayne
1: bale
2: kilmer
3: keaton
4: affleck
5: Clooney

best live action batman
1: keaton
2: affleck
3: kilmer
4: bale
5: Clooney

Batman cartoon was too good no film will live up to it except the 2nd bale.movie. I lost all faith when they fucking cast Ben afleck... I couldn't believe it Ben afleck is a lamer Batman than west.

That scene is amazing. So is the scene at Vicki's apartment when Joker busts in.

he's not.

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Because he was cast for his ability to be Bruce, not the Batman

second bale movie?
nigga please. dark knight and dark knight rises are shit tier.
batman begins is the only good baleman movie.
ledger was a terrible excuse for a joker that only got praise because he killed himself.

Lol you must hate a lot of shit. Damn I thought I was hater but fuck nm. I didn't fuck he died
Go back and watch all the other jokers and tell me any of them came close to his... and if you jack Nicholson rematch the movie he was a.fucking joke. Keaton is the best actor to play batman but he is a tiny fucking manlet.compared.to what.batman should look like.the rest of the movie really wasn't that great. Go rewatch it or don't it's. It worth the time.

this

The Joker there reminds me so much of Patrick Bateman lol
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>emokid Bruce "muh mom, muh dad" Wayne
>playboy millionaire kind of person
i never thought on him as a playboy. felt he got the bitches only bc of the money, not bc of playboy attitude

He got bitches because he was built like a super human and was rich as fuck but he did have game too

Thats nearly for you? Kek

Keaton and Adam West are the only ones that are consistently good in their roles. The rest all have huge asterisks.

he got better.

Sharp observations ITT, and I agree with OP.

Keaton is the best, because his life is similar to the Wayne/Batman dichotomy. He resides outside Hollywood, has for decades, prefers isolation. Affleck seems to as well, but it comes off phony, like a "deep" athlete, after the JLo tabloid shit. Keaton always avoided the tabloids except for his Batman fallout. And look at Beetlejuice. The way Keaton top gears into that character, a character that transcends the wacky id, that taps into a purpled underworlof it unlike Gothsm, with its own rules, chaos and mythology. So Keaton was Wayne to Beetlejuce's Batsy.

But Beetlejuice also allowed Keaton to deeply understand the Joker. This is essential to the '89 Batman. For the same director, mind you. Bale never understood Ledger. Whereas we see Keaton lit by monitors, fascinated by the Joker, concerned because he knows the Joker is like himself unhinged. And they're tied together due to his parents, a Freudian twist I dig. Joker becomes Wayne's evil father. Wayne throws him off a church. His father laughs at him even in death.

The best scene in Batman 89 is in Vale's apt, the "wanna get nuts scene," because we are more stunned by Wayne, like the Joker, like Vale, than his Batman. He out crazies not just Joker, but Nicholson! For a split second, just right. Its his simmering revenge, his introversion stabbing out. And Joker shoots him, lol. Grounds him.

The Nolan films use Gotham to overshadow the characters. Burton's Gotham is more vertical, cathedrals, gargoyles and alley walls, like a referee between two Jungian heavyweights. True hero/villain standoff. A duel.

Keaton does *thinking* better than any actor of the cowl. He pulls off a turtleneck better than Steve Jobs. Like McQueen, another petite but piercing eyed masculine figure. Like McQueen, Keaton uses his car, wing, batgun, like tools, understands their danger, makes this danger his bitch. Bale's and Val's tech out powered their Wayne. Keaton mastered his.
GOAT.

Holy shit.

I always thought it was funny that his suit was supposed to be bullet proof, and it was in the first movie, but in Returns Catwoman penetrates it with a barb and he tears his mask off at the end like it's made of cheese. I always liked his appearance after he takes his mask off. I just think it's a really cool shot.

>being this pretentious

>Okay, maybe not ugly but he didn't seem like a convincing playboy millionaire kind of person to me
he literally is one and has played one as his first breakout role, what the fuck are you talking about nigga

I'd put Keaton above kilmer, his Bruce had...something. Love the bit in the first film when the charity casino is happening, he's focusing on Vicky, stabs his pen in a plant pot, Alfred swoops in behind him and plucks it out, Keaton absently puts his glass on the edge of a table, Alfred catches it as it falls off, Keaton walks up to Vicky. Love the fact that Burtons Bruce Wayne is smooth, together and fucks a lot, but he's also kind of a ditz and a bit goofy. Then, when he's Batman, he's pure Batman.

Even in Batman Returns when he's trying to flip the sides off the Batmobile to squeeze down that alley, switch won't work, his shit is compromised, and just for a second Bruce comes out in his voice, "well now I'm worried...".
Batmans back up, hits the dash round the switch, sides fly off, gets down the alley, Batman ho. Batman doesn't miscalculate, doesn't get things wrong, but when things did fuck up, just a little of his Bruce persona peeks out. Fucking love those little smart performance shines, something sorely missing from current DC.

And yet, he's also best Batman. Yes, Affleck can do the dance of the Arkham games fight system, and I fucking loved that fight scene, but Keaton had conservation of effort, minimal movement, then when something happens like that sword attack guy in the first film, he's faster and stronger than you would expect. Keaton's Batman is a predator, more genuinely unsettling than even Bales Batman, who is slightly prone to silliness.

>scared of bats like a faggot
>parents die at a young age
>self-imposed exile
>do weird shit in the 3rd world for 1-2 decades
>join an order of ancient ninja terrorists
"Why isn't he a normal playboy guy?"
>implying he's meant to an alpha boii

t. Ledger Joker Halloween costume wearer at 25

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Batman Returns is the single greatest superhero film ever made. Nothing even comes close. The atmosphere, the characters, the 'gadgets', all of it

Truly Keaton as Bruce Wayne/Batman, seems like a troubled, unhinged and lonely person. Yet still has a very human quality to him.

bruh

I couldn't have said it better. I agree 100%

Take off your nostalgia goggles. Those burton movies are terrible. Even for comic book movies.

>Okay, maybe not ugly but he didn't seem like a convincing playboy millionaire kind of person to me. He has this underlying beta male insecurity in his eyes, I just don't believe that he's Bruce. Same way Hathaway can't really do a convincing Catwoman, she just doesn't have the confidence in her eyes to pull it off, she always look a bit sheepish.

You're right that he doesn't make a convincing playboy, but Nolan focuses the least amount of effort into that aspect of Burce Waynes life, so it's not the strongest element. Bale was great at embodying the silent rage that Bruce feels and hes efforts to sublimate that rage into making the world a better place.

Keaton's acting is just more suited to this role. Bale is a good actor, but was kind of "wooden" as Bruce and Batman. Much better in American psycho.

Keaton's had roles that don't suit him well too. Birdman was way too unsubtle for his style, although he wasn't bad in it of course.

Jesus, it's like I'm NOT on a board full of retarded redditors for once. Nice post.

>this is what Reddit Runner 2049lets actually believe

nice posting, you win the thread

I want to know what happens next!

He's bullet proof in Returns. Remember when the cops show up and shoot him?

Catwoman penetrates the weak spots when she's feeling him up. Batman thinks she's trying to get that dick when he smiles at her for a bit, but then she finds the weak point in his armor on the side.


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tldr go to bed mikey your too old for Sup Forums

idk why but this trialogue is still probably the best acting moment any batman had any live action batman at least. There was a lot of depth to the character and captured the complexity of batman and his relationship with his enemies.

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Bateman isn't a millionaire playboy, he is a fucking omega, at most, if not beta. Paul Allen was the alpha guy in American Psycho. Besides they aren't really playboys at all. They are too restricted to their social circles

kekkked.

Actually I hated Ledger and loved Nicholson, but nice try.
You still come across as a pretentious pseud with your bullshit, it reads like pasta. The reddit spacing doesn't help either.
Bale was great BTW

Bale was the best batman and you people are just trolling

>he is a fucking omega, at most, if not beta
How so?

This especially since he's a MANLET

What the fuck are you talking about?

How was he the best? That awful voice? The way his mouth is constantly open like a retarded? His silly elbows up drunkard fighting style? That big bobble head? His lame one liners? He was a goofy fucker.


No doubt in my mind Bale could have played it better (see Americans Psycho and his Batman screen test), but Nolan's direction and the script held him back. He was awful, he even admitted it himself.

jesus, what a shit joker

Because Generation X can't die soon enough

What episode is this???

hnnnnnggg I forget how hot Basinger used to be, fucking hell

Compare how Keaton evolved, became a weirder Bruce Wayne in his sequel, seemed dazed, almost like PTSD, and kinkier, to Bale's emotional trajectory ACROSS FIVE HOURS of sequels, overwrought to the point that Nolan is using mountain and deep hole metaphors, not to mention his dumb self-sacrifice fake out to conclude it.

When Bale's on screen, he's dead weight, his Wayne is a snooze, floating through life awaiting Bat missions, or tinkering with his garage collection like he's Doug DeMuro on YT. Every time Keaton is Wayne, you're glued to the scenes, you feel Wayne preparing, or he seems legitimately invested in his mind, almost madness.

The change in Keaton's Wayne from 89 to the sequel is undervalued. Burton didn't make it bigger, he made it eerier, more psycho, more sexual, whereas Nolan did his Bay-but-smart formula.

Dude I never was a ledger fan but he did a great joker and if go back and watch Nicholson people are romancing it i did the same thing... he wasn't a good joker the best joker was cartoon joker and ledger was not good.

LOL ledger was Damn good I hate my phone

he did those films without turning his goddamn neck and they were still GOAT

Affleck couldn't act his way out of a puckered sphincter

I don't see Bale REALLY enjoying anything. It's like he's always on the edge of snapping.

Ben was actually doing a great job with shit direction up until he lost hope. Joss batman ruined him and there's no going back for him

First of all, the movie's running gag that he couldn't pull a reservation at Dorsia's even if his life would depend on it. Then consider the card scene. Who gives a fuck what Van Patten thinks. He also has nothing going for him in life. There is no motivation nothing. He resorts to violence, but isn't a thug. So he's weak, even though, killing people. Besides I have the feeling that he got his job through nepotism. It's not in the movie, and I haven't read the book, tho.

If you consider Bale as Wayne in Bateman just consider the boat scene with the ballet girls. This is what a playboy millionaire would do. The only thing Bateman did was banging whores. He achieved a threesome, but both of them were whores. A real one and a liberal arts major.

>Bale was great BTW
Wow, this mom-tier insight into the Batman films is why Sup Forums destroys plebbit. Literally using your time here to snort "Bale was great BTW" like you dropped a mic.

Oh sowwee, I reddit spaced again.
You were great BTW.

I think he was great.


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>redditors still have a boner for Heath's Joker
year, smacking your lips and speaking through your nose is truly the greatest type of acting you can do

Affleck is the best live action batman, best Bruce as well.

Keaton is like 5'9". Bale was propped up by Nolan.

This whole thread is about how a balding manlet is STILL the best live action interpretation of Batman to date. That's the point, try to keep up.

I liked parts of Affleck in BvS, he's the best thing about it, but Justice League completely killed it. He was fucking awful, it's over.

Someone post the Justice League gif or webm of Affleck having a stroke in the cowl or when Superman grabs him by the head and tosses him in the grass like a CGI toy.

Ledger was le edgy, his Joker could never command thugs and organized syndicates in Nolan's Gotham. Nor were his attacks exceptionally crazy. Nicholson hijacks the TV news, brainwashes hoes, loves Francis Bacon's art, throws a Prince concert and kills off normies with balloons. His brand of crazy runs the spectrum. You believe he'd dominate crime in Gotham. He shows no care for money, like Ledger, but appreciates money to attract protection and create chaos. It fits Burton's world. Ledger is just an emo teenager.

BvS Affleck > Batmanlet. try to keep up.

Because Keaton is the only guy who's believable as being born into this sort of old money, pure blood family. He has that noble quality that's also quite decadent, and it's obvious he didn't have the same middle class with a backyard childhood most of us did, even without counting in the tragedy with the parents. It's quite Lovecraftian in set-up really. So you believe that this guy, behind a thin veneer of normalcy is driven into some deeply disturbed, occult and/or sexual shit. Only this time it's dressing up as a bat and beating up criminals.

I still have hope Keaton will play the role one last time in a stand-alone. He knows he's the best. He dismissed Bale and all the others, and probably wants to prove to the phonelife generation how it's done.