How many people will Batman kill in Justice League?
>On Sunday, "Justice League" director Zack Snyder shared a photo of the Caped Crusader's cool ride on social media platform Vero, and someone seems to have spent a little time upgrading its firepower capabilities since last year's appearance in "Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice."
>"Upgrades... what are you worried about Wayne," Snyder wrote in the photo caption. The famed Batmobile now has major weaponry built into the hood, so nobody better cut off Bruce Wayne (Ben Affleck) as he cruises to Starbucks on Saturday morning.
Jaxon Lewis
>The Bat of Murder has an even better Car for murdering Best Timeline, folks!
Asher Anderson
>the Batmobile has never had guns before BvS
Chase Wilson
I'd argue that the more guns he has on the Batmobile, the more people he kills with them in the movies. So the body count should be pretty spectacular.
Aiden Diaz
Just so casuals are aware, Batman has never had an issue murdering aliens.
Evan Rogers
>never
Sure.
Xavier Phillips
But Martha was deep because it was the beginning of his redemption arc, and he isn't going to be killing anyone anymore!
Cameron Turner
That's pretty fucking speciesist, especially considering how many of his friends and comrades are aliens, what a hypocrite.
Someone like the Joker deserves death way more than some random alien.
Kayden Smith
>>the Batmobile has never had guns before BvS
Yes it has, in the Dark Knight Returns which is the version of the Batmobile that they are going for.
Benjamin Gray
>arc These movies don't have arcs, they're Transformers films only in black and white.
Jackson Perry
D-DELETE THIS! THEY ARE KINO THAT EXIST ABOVE OUR PLANE OF CONSCIOUSNESS!! ONLY THE INTELLECTUALLY SUPERIOR UNDERSTAND THEIR SUBTLE COMPLEXITY!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
Brayden Turner
You think these will have rubber bullets?
Austin Nguyen
I know it has, it has tons of times, that's why I >implied
Michael Campbell
Already seen it in toy form.
Jacob Reed
>MFW Justice League
Cooper Butler
Are people still upset over Batman killing?
Owen Gomez
>Are people still upset over a character doing the thing they vow to never do despite the fact that we argued for months that their doing it was for a narrative purpose and that they wouldn't be doing it anymore because we fell for Zack's bait and switch again? Instead of admitting I was wrong, I guess I'm just going to keep sucking his knob instead of admitting he is the hack he is, and move the goalposts to the point that I try to argue that minding about something that is a legitimate out of character choice is the shortcoming on the part of fans, and not the one making the creative choice.
Liam Diaz
Going from memory, I believe the origin story was introduced in Detective Comics #36 in 1939 and the second Hugo Strange story, with death by Bat-machinegun and Bat-hanging, was from Batman #1 in 1940. If you want more examples, you're going to have to do what you fear most: read and actually engage with artistic texts. I'm not your secretary.
This is why you need to read. You think that "not doing a thing" can be the "entire basis" for a character. So Batman is functionally the same character as the cast of Archie Comics, who are all functionally the same character.
Reading is fun, man. Trust me. The thoughts only hurt at first, or so I'm told.
Christian Jones
Which batman has killed anyone i nthe movies? and how would he defend himself from parademon?
Do you want him ti have rubber bullets and tranqs?
Elijah Morgan
>Superman didn't fly in Action Comics #1. Why are they having him fly now? That such a stupid addition. That's you right now. Characters often change from their initial appearance. Batman may have shot baddies when he was initially created, but he has gone on to denounce the taking of life as an option he can resort to for devades, and overwhelmingly longer than he was willing to kill. I know your autism makes you think things stay the same from the first time they appear, but they do change. Want me to read? You first. Try something published after 1950, Gramps.
Leo Bailey
Ok so, Batman breaking down and using a gun on Darkseid in Final Crisis was a significant moment for that version of Batman. But that Batman had seen it all and is still in his mid thirties.
Now, take this BvS version of Batman. He's fifty years old. He's fought drug smugglers, sex traffickers, mobsters, clowns, maybe even a ninja or two. Like any fifty year old, he's set in his ways. Can you think of any event from Man of Steel that could break a fuse in Bruce Wayne's mind? Maybe something we get a first hand account of? Perhaps something that would change humanity's entire cosmic view of themselves? Something that would "turn good men cruel?"
Jordan Cooper
>his earliest and least iconic iteration takes precedent over the rest of his 75 year history
Brandon Morales
>b-but my fair trials for parademons! >#ParademonsLivesMatter
Charles Hill
Stop jerking off.
Xavier Wood
Rubber bullets. Honest.
Luke Parker
It wasn't about not manslaughter badguys, it was about mistaken for them good ones.
Tyler Cook
>snyder puts guns in the Batmobile >"p-please snyder, this is not muh batmobile!" >"don't worry about it kiddo ;)" >*puts extra machine gun and a fucking cannon on top of it*
You can't hold this guy.
Aaron Sanchez
>b-but it was Golden Age! Shut the fuck up. Nobody bitched when Captain America killed in movies, even though in comics he is ultra anti-gun no-kill guy (read any crossover with Punisher for detailed example of his moral). But I forgot, it's Sup Forumsmblr, place where only SJW and Steven universe exist.
James Flores
Damn, that Zack Snyder looks like that?
Eli Anderson
thank you based Snyder
Jose Bell
Murder bats is best bat,may his aim be true and his enemies dead, may his ammunition never run dry nor his tank run out of gas
Dominic Howard
>Sup Forumsmblr
Get new material kid. 78 Years of not killing is more relevant to the character than the 2 years he was a knock off of the Shadow.
Angel Davis
Not killing his enemies is not a prime character trait of Batman, most superheroes follow that rule (and break it in the movies), so fuck it... the core is still there. Its not like they turned the Punisher into a pacifist.
Andrew Collins
Are you blind, nigger?
Logan Bell
>Nobody bitched when Captain America killed in movies, even though in comics he is ultra anti-gun no-kill guy (read any crossover with Punisher for detailed example of his moral). Firstly, that was in war-time. Nobody complains about Cap gunning down SHIELD agents in TWS either because guess what, that fucking doesn't happen, because context is crucial. Arguing that Cap never killed Nazis in WW2 would be as dumb as that "Hulk never even accidentally squished anyone cuz Banner's a polymath whiz" bullshit. And Jack Kirby was a real mensch who actually served in WW2 and would probably punch your teeth out if you suggested killing Nazis in time of war was somehow immoral.
Bob Kane just asked his ghost artists to draw Batman with a gun on the cover even when the story didn't have him using one cuz it looked cool and as pointed out, to shamelessly rip off The Shadow.
Kayden Peterson
Don't be autistic. I can find that page of Mike W. Barr's Batman using a henchman as a human shield, or driving a truckload of gasoline into a crowd of gunmen, but we both know those moments are few and far between, almost always added purely to make the fight scenes more cooler and like muh Hollywood action movies, and never really addressed in-fiction. Like, there's never a moment where somebody goes "BOY BATMAN, REMEMBER THAT TIME YOU TECHNICALLY COMMITTED MANSLAUGHTER?" but there are tons of stories, often fairly well-respected ones, hinged on Bats' inability or refusal to take a life.
Jaxson Miller
>people 0
Jaxson Bennett
He did in Injustice when Superman killed all the Parademons.
John Robinson
>Batman kills, something that for the majority of his run he has never done. >"You guys need to understand that this is an adaptation." >Jimmy Olsen is played by a black guy >"WHAT THE FUCK THIS ISN'T JIMMY AT ALL!"
Brandon Lopez
Zack is the best.
Charles Gutierrez
>Darkseid's huge army is attacking the entire globe >Superman ashes them in a couple seconds Overpowered.
Justin Ward
To take out Parademons probably
It's what they will be fighting in the movie along with Steppenwolf
Angel Powell
>Jimmy Olsen is a CIA agent who never befriends Superman and gets shot in the face >"WHAT THE FUCK THIS ISN'T JIMMY AT ALL!"
Luis Morgan
And yet later in the comic Batman manages to 1v1 Dictator Supes just so he can throw it in Damian's face when he refuses to murder him
Samuel Nguyen
Idiots still saying Batman is a murderer. What you people can't fucking comprehend a little collateral damage? HE DOESN'T FUCKING EXECUTE A SINGLE PERSON STOP BEING THICK.
Joshua Allen
>later >Superman jobs to Wonder Woman I expect power levels to be out of whack in the MCU, but I expected better from DC.
Sebastian Bell
thicc
Luke Moore
That was from Larry Hama's run, and while I have a lot of respect for that man, he wrote what is arguably one of the all-time worst Batman runs, produced in the dark ages of the character after No Man's Land but before Morrison. It's not surprising that Hama's Batman would kill, at least in self-defense against enemies with military grade hardware, because Hama is a concealed-carry conservative who spent most of his career writing G.I. Joe, and much of his Batman run feels like it's written in that frame of mind. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if he just dusted off some old unused G.I. Joe scripts.
Elijah Kelly
Watch your tongue or I'll remove you racist coward.
Sebastian Russell
Remember when the Batmobile was a car
Easton Cox
>Now, take this BvS version of Batman. He's fifty years old. He's fought drug smugglers, sex traffickers, mobsters, clowns, maybe even a ninja or two. Like any fifty year old, he's set in his ways. Can you think of any event from Man of Steel that could break a fuse in Bruce Wayne's mind? Maybe something we get a first hand account of? Perhaps something that would change humanity's entire cosmic view of themselves? Something that would "turn good men cruel?" We never see Batman prior to the the Battle of Metropolis, and I really don't think it was meant to explain why he's decided to brand random thugs, or why for some reason being caught by Batman is a death sentence? I still don't fucking get that, like, why would you do the Bat's dirty work for him? Do they think they're all snitches and Bats is just conveniently marking his informants for death? It's really fucking idiotic.
It's just meant to explain why he's mad at Superman, but then even that doesn't work, cuz he does the exact same shit he's mad about later, causing mass destruction and death cuz "THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS", but then Superman shuts him down and is all "ONLY I AM ALLOWED TO OPERATE WITH TOTAL MORAL IMPUNITY."
The movie can't decide which one it wants you to root for, so it makes them both be egomaniacal hypocrites.
Adrian Hill
Aliens don't count.
Caleb Gutierrez
No guns but heavy artillary mounted onto of your weapon of mass destruction is a okay
Austin Gomez
Meanwhile in Marvel, the Avengers killed an entire army of Chitauri and no one bats an eyelash
The Chitauri also killed less people than Frank Castle
Gabriel James
Give it a movie or two. >The Batman ends with him forcing a sobbing Penguin to suck the business end of a shotgun before blowing his brains out towards the audience in 3D >Sup Forumscksuckers jizz into one another's mouths in theaters everywhere as they wet their whistle for their long-winded defenses of this UTTERLY BRILLIANT PURE CAPE KINO
Hunter Peterson
>Parademons >people
Zachary Miller
Avengers aren't heroes. They're the moral equivalent of the Suicide Squad: a bunch of villains tricked by a black person into helping us.
Michael Foster
>I still don't fucking get that, like, why would you do the Bat's dirty work for him? Do they think they're all snitches and Bats is just conveniently marking his informants for death? It's really fucking idiotic. Getting caught by Batman would make a criminal be treated like royalty in prison, I'd think. These criminals weren't captured by the police or FBI, it took the fucking Batman to finally take them down. They'd be the superstars of the underworld.
Jackson Martinez
Tell me about all the times the Avengers vowed to not resort to killing.
Bentley Cooper
All we need is this scene in one of our films and my life will be complete
Robert Allen
woah watch out guys we've got a tough antifa dude right here
Luis Lopez
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Nolan Lewis
>Muh aliums!
I'm going to just point out that you guys streeeetched to defend BvS too before it came out... >Sure the Batmobile has guns, but so did the 80s one and the Bat-pod, and like those he'll probably only use them to remove road obstructions. >Okay so, yeah that's pretty clearly the Batwing gunning down guys in the trailer, but maybe like Lex Luthor hacks into it to discredit and frame Batman and get Superman mad enough to fight him? >Okay yeah he has a Kryptonite gun, but he's only gonna use that against Supes and Doomsday And then the actual finished movie just has him straight-up shredding human beings into a CGI ball of blood and flame because fuck everyone.
Bentley Scott
They are, when seperated from seid's influence they showcase their sapience and positive emotions, having positive bonds of friendship and loyalty with others.
Like the one that became friends with Aquaman and sacrificed himself to save the hero's life. Or the one that joined the Suicide Squad and turned out to be a major bro.
If you aren't willing to kill humans conscripts for 'moral' reasons then they would also apply to Parademons.
Kevin Davis
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Alexander Powell
Right? If anything, they'd WANT to be branded so they can prove to all the dudes inside that they're not just another poser with a fake Batman story, they actually DID go a few rounds with him. And yeah, in the comics the attitude usually seems to be that criminals bond over their universal hatred of Batman, so seeing them turned into his de facto lynch mob was just bizarre. It's not something found even in any Elseworlds I've read.
Logan Bennett
Fuck you pal, Cap was Right.
The black person even looked to Cap as his conscience, in opposing was turned out to be the secret hydra plot that would have genocided pretty much everyone with flying aircraft carriers.
He is a shining beacon of liberty and freedom who does the right thing, unlike some of the other people on the team.
Juan Butler
>They are, when seperated from seid's influence they showcase their sapience and positive emotions
Well in the mean time, I'm pretty sure the Parademons will be under said influence. Do you also autstically screech like this during a zombie apocalypse or when Avengers destroy faceless mobs of aliens and robots?
Justin Sanders
>unlike some of the other people on the team.
James Richardson
Avengers don't have a no-kill code, they kill forces sent against them in combat be it human or alien. You don't seem to understand how hypocritical it is to kill some intelligent thinking beings but not others solely down to what planet they were born on and nothing else.
Carter Turner
Geeze RDJ is the most pathetic of manlets... you ever see those fullbody shots where its revealed he's always standing on tip toes when in group shots with other actors? Or that he wears the most MASSIVE sets of platform shoes when going to public events?
Parker Perry
Yes. I have seen them.
Angel Gutierrez
>Avengers don't have a no-kill code Then I guess they shouldn't be marketed as "heroes" then huh?
Ian Bennett
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Charles Thompson
Get a load of this guy here who's going to be autistically screeching #Apokolipslivesmatter when god forbid, The JL isn't fighting Parademons/Steppenwolf with rape wistles and sling shots.
Juan Morris
Man, this takes me back to the old arguments of Sup Forums, when everything was a four-way morality play between Kamen Rider, Kenshiro, Bomb Queen and Superman.
Jaxson Mitchell
Yeah alright Captain Murder.
Lucas Phillips
Timm's Justice League killed the invading alien army in their first episodes
Then they killed Vandal Savage's army in the time travel episodes
Granted, John Stewart is a literal US Marine
Ian Reyes
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Matthew Wood
>Superheroes >US Marines
Easton Rivera
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Nicholas Jackson
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Jordan Walker
If they were intelligent then they wouldn't fuck with a guy wearing Bat Iconography who literally stapled guns on his car.
Samuel Bailey
sorry meant for
Owen Ortiz
When will they embrace this shit and just have movie Batman mow down every asshole that gets in his way without mercy? I kinda want them to stop tippy toeing around this and go all out already.
Elijah James
>it's literally okay when Avengers do it.
Dominic Reyes
>tough >antifa
Michael Sanders
And you seem to equate the "no kill code" for absolute unquestionable pacifism in the face of oblivion when the opposition is literally a Space Dictator Tyrant.
Joseph Hughes
If Spider-Man is neck snappering in Homecoming, it would be the same thing. Batman has morphed into this bizarre fusion of Frank Castle and Tony Stark.
Kayden White
But he killed Gwen Stacey.
Jordan Barnes
He didn't kill her, he just didn't have (what it took) to save her.
James Gomez
>>Okay so, yeah that's pretty clearly the Batwing gunning down guys in the trailer, but maybe like Lex Luthor hacks into it to discredit That time he tried to gun down the joker, he must've missed on purpose
Jaxson Lee
>First 12 issues vs 77 years of continuity
Snyderfags are really wracking their brains on this one, eh?
Jose Phillips
It's canon that cap killed during the war but stopped after he was thawed out and was acting as a civilian. Guess what they mirrored in the movies?
Bentley Myers
Remember that time Byrne took a break from exploring his fetishes for little girls abuse of women and had Superman execute Zod?
Defined Superman for ever and ever.
Isaiah Long
>John Byrne drove Terry Long and Donna's son off a cliff just so he could use her for fetish fuel.
Megamind's Tighten is exactly what John Byrne would be with the powers of Superman.
Gavin Martinez
>Firstly, that was in war-time. Who says the Nazis even wanted to fight in the war? Cap is a murderer.
Luke Bailey
>Who says the Nazis even wanted to fight in the war? Poland?
Gavin Parker
Bruh, that was more than one universe ago.
Jayden Collins
I think my issue is that the whole Batman thing as we know it does work so much if he's willing to gun people down.
Why have this utility belt full of batarangs and sleeping gas marbles or whatever when he could just have a holster and ammo and shoot everyone, something that is a thousand times easier than leaving them slightly concussed and tied up for the cops to find so they can be back on the streets 5-10 years later.