Lemire out at Marvel

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bleedingcool.com/2017/03/06/jeff-lemire-quits-marvel/

>ECCC gossip has it that he has quit Marvel completely. That his two-year exclusive deal may be coming to an end, and he’s not looking for it to be renewed.

His Moon Knight run was one of the highlights that Marvel had, bummer.

Smallwood already stated that he was working on his last MK issue, makes sense that it might change creative teams completely.

and his X-Men run is over, with no new books announced.

so either we get his triumphant DC return, or he focuses on his....5? Image books.

that's what happens when you suck at X-Men, it's a scarlet letter that follows you till the end of your days

he'll probably move on to self printed porn before leaving the industry all together.

That list of ex-Marvel writers reminds me that quite a few Marvel guys have come to grief on X-Men. Brubaker openly says his Uncanny X-Men run is the Marvel work he likes least.

>That's what happens when you suck at X-Men
Then why is Bendis still employed

X-Men is poison.

He'll likely focus on his indy work, but it'd be nice to have Lemire do one or two projects back home at DC again.

His Uncanny X-Men run was also super hindered by having the most awkward team roster while Whedon was getting his dick sucked by editorial.

He just announced another Image book, yea?
so he'll have 4 going, including one hes doing the art for.

Bendis has power beyond mortal comprehension at this point.

Why do they keep putting Kelly Sue with list of Marvel writers that left like she ever wrote a hit

Hopefully Moon Knight continues without Lemire, though it'll suck to see Smallwood leave.

Bendis was doing what 10 books a month and now he's down to 4, his iron clad grip on Marvel is looser now than ever.

also he had legion of Superstar artists and Kris Anka to distract from his shitty writing.

That's Stokoe, you retard.

Her Captain Marvel may have been shit, but it did garner a kind of rabid cult following that screeched loudly about how great Captain Marvel without actually buying it.

>he'll go back to DC and his writing will be better than before

What a shame, since most of his books I enjoyed. I recall Lemire said he had the Moon Knight planned for 25-26 issues as a full story. Worried he's gonna have to rush the ending.


Otherwise, I'm hoping he returns to DC. Maybe with a Young Animal book? That would turn some heads.

>Lemire leaves
>Marvel hires that butch Puerto Rican dyke to start writing their books
So much for Marvel Rebirth.

Image if Lemire's Animal Man had been a Young Animal book.

user, everybody sucks at X-men currently and have for years. It's practically editorial mandate at this point. Lemire was one of the stars for DC during the Nu52 era (Animal Man, Frankenstein Agent of Shade, Green Arrow) and he's a top level creator owned writer whose books do well over at Image and other non big 2 publishers.

He will be fine, and the fact he was able to squeeze out 2 quality comics in OML and Moon Night in this garbage fire era of Marvel speaks to his talent. Dude can go wherever he wants and he will be successful. Objectively a bigger blow to Marvel than to him, but with how every other notable writer they had jumped ship in similar fashion to do indie work its to be expected.

He announced a while back that he was leaving Old Man Logan at #24, and Moon Knight at #14 (with that run ending). We were wondering if he was totally done now, since the only book he has left is Thanos.

Knowing him, he might already have a years worth of Thanos finished

A Young Animal book would be cool. Weren't there rumors that Sweet Tooth was supposed to be a Kamadi book originally? Sucks that he misses that challenge because of the marvel exclusivity

He caught an exec snorting blow out a child prostitutes ass and took pics before joining in.

It worked for Humphries. If they can do it for one more person then bam.

Although Lemire already was good before writing DCU books.

Since KSD, every Captain Marvel run sells worse than the last.

If anything, she fucked Carol Danvers forever.

Anka is with Chip, user.

I know this is a joke but I actually wouldn't be surprised

What about it? He got away with a lot of stuff without the young animal banner.

>rabid cult following that screeched loudly about how great Captain Marvel without actually buying it
Like H.E.A.T. without the buying part

Guess that means he'll have more time to devote to writing Bloodshot for Valiant and whatever other indie books he's working on

I am satisfied with Bunn's Uncanny. And I like the last 3 issues of Uncanny which are stand alone tie in to IvX more than the previous story arcs.

and if anything he benefited from it since he might have been pushed to trying to copy Morrison's AM instead of continuing Delano's

Marvel needs some new talent ASAP (actual talents, not flavor of the month YA fiction writers)

Sucks that he got saddled with Land.

So far he's got Bloodshot at Valiant (which I think is getting another relaunch soon, with Lemire still on writing duties, natch), and Descender, Royal City, and Family Tree at Image, so I think he'll be fine.

Didn't really like his MK but I'm surprised he's abandoning ship when it was so acclaimed. As in one of the few genuinely acclaimed things Marvel has at the moment.

thanos is probably done since deodato is moving to old man logan

I think what's kind of happening with Marvel is that since the movies are a license to print money, the comics are free to do whatever the fuck they want. And the problem is, they're basically just hiring talent that will work for peanuts with no oversight because it doesn't matter.

>porn of Lemire's art
can't fap to that

>they're basically just hiring talent that will work for peanuts
Well gee, I sure wonder who could be behind that...

We're kind of getting a reverse situation that DC was in a few years back, when everyone was jumping ship from there to Marvel. I think that the cause is the same as well, Editorial is driving people away.

His contract is up, and what person with any shred of dignity wants to work for them these days?

Yeah. Exactly.

Really? I was under the impression Marvel editors were lazy shitbags and writers could mostly do what they wanted unless it was something really stupid.

>Hey gang, let's kill off Spider-Man in CW2.

DC scooped all of the new talents (King, Seeley, Orlando, Williamson, Williams etc.)
granted, none of them will be the new Moore or Morrison, but they are perfectly capable of writing solid superheroics without either blatant pandering or 'lol so randumb XD'-style storytelling

I seriously can't believe it's been two years since Lemire jumped ship to Marvel.

That's probably a reason why everyone's leaving. Everyone's running amok and there's little to no oversight. Every solo gets dragged into whatever fucking Event springs up month to month but nobody's thinking through how to connect things. Like, we've been told that Scott Summer's is Mutant Hitler for months, but nobody actually laid out why, so when we learn the actual reason it feels like everyone's retarded. I think people are being driven off not because the editorial is overbearing, but because they editorial isn't doing there jobs.

Were people excited back then?

>Williamson
>perfectly capable of writing solid superheroics without either blatant pandering or 'lol so randumb XD'-style storytelling

Not on Sup Forums, no.
We were more upset because his Animal Man was good.

Nope, pretty much everyone thought it was a bad idea.

I do like the art of the books with Ken Lashley a lot, I feel like he has been in half the books. And I also feel like Land has been trying more lately. Perhaps he googles his name and discovers all the people hating on him, and that pushed him to try to be better.
It's a shame Marvel always puts him on X Men books.

Marvel continues to bleed talent. Even if his stuff hasn't been great lately he was one of the last good names left at Marvel.

They need to get things under control over there. If the Chelsea Cain on Vision thing is true, that's a good move. She may be shit but she made a bit of a name for herself with the controversy surrounding Mockingbird and she has fans now.

>he gets to write the new Legion book

Never enjoyed his big two work as much as his earlier independent work anyway. I never got the praise for his current Moon Knight or OML. Both were carried by the artists. He has declined since he started to write superhero comics. Royal City looks intriguing, so I hope he can deliver now.

Did he jump ship before or after Soule?

pretty much everyone was proven right

Lemire is absolute thrash on team books.

>If the Chelsea Cain on Vision thing is true, that's a good move.
LOL

same timeish?

But Soule went straight from DC to Marvel (likw he had 2 DC books and 2 Marvel books out the same month), and Lemire took a couple months before having anything announced.

Chelsea Cain wasn't even bad. It was just the tampons part and the last issue which triggered fans.

his moon knight is terrible, sad to see him leave cause he's pretty good but yeesh

hope he does some good stuff over at DC or wherever

Are you talking about Daniel Ketchum, that's old news

>King
He is good.
>Seeley
He is boring. His run in Grayson was good because of King.
>Orlando
Overhyped. He is average.
>Williamson
Nailbiter is good, the rest is mediocre at best.
>Williams
Guy on SS? He is mediocre at best.1

I thought she "quit comics forever" because it was so toxic.

Try reading the following sentence where I explain that. Whether she's shit or not, her name is known now and her being on a book will generate controversy, or signing an exclusive with her.

I wouldn't say trash but yeah not the best. But it's his dream and I wanna see someone with that kind of passion on the book.

>We were more upset because his Animal Man was good.
It wasn`t good after rotworld.
She wasn`t good either, but
>It was just the tampons part and the last issue which triggered fans.
this. Still I would be glad if she gone from comics.

Williams' Martian Manhunter was good.

His only other work I know was his Dark Wolverine run following up Way/Liu and that was more 'not the same' than bad.

I agree with most of your opinions, but Orlando is great.

Williams is writing a good Vertigo book now. Seeley wrote a couple of good Image books and his Suicide squad was based.

>Joining the likes of Matt Fraction, Kelly Sue DeConnick, Ed Brubaker, Rick Remender and more on the creator-owned bandwagon

WHEN WILL BENDIS JOIN THEM?

Seeley also had a very good Suicide Squad story arc

his only books I've enjoyed were the two Midnighter volumes where he went full homo (even though I'm not gay)

Nah, he's the worst of the newly signed exclusives, after Tynion and Humphries.

Good. He always phoned it in for Marvel anyway.

Bendis' indy work is published through Marvel's imprint Icon and DC won't ever touch him. The same goes for Slott, Waid, Spencer, etc.. Both of them will never leave Marvel because their names are too big there now and nobody else will take them.

Spencer is already publishing his indie comics at image.

I can see he leaving marvel soon to focus only on autoral work, just like Brubaker and Remender

I doubt it, he has black hammer for his DC needs now

Spencer is too involved in the ins and outs of Capes to leave.

Bendis is already writing his creator-owned books through Marvel. He'll be working for Marvel till the day he dies, and by then his children will already be writing at Marvel.

I've only read his Green Arrow run. Is his Old Man Logan any good?

Considering he has another Image title int he works that was to be expected. If you count that(though it's supposed to be coming alter in the year iirc) he has 6 projects going right now.

I agree about Moon Knight it was great and it leaves me thinking that Lemire just quit like a bitch before finishing his run, kinda like he did on Green Arrow and JLU.

Good. Now can concentrate on writing and drawing more books like Royal City and less mediocre super hero stories

>Marvel continues to bleed talent
Lemire has not been that great for them.

And considering they're bringing in new comers like Brisson, Rosenberg, Loveness...

Or do you think losing Humphries is the equivalent to "bleeding talent"?

Thank for showing me why I should never read this.

Why triggered, exactly?

Read Essex County and Sweet Tooth

How casual are you?

>King
He'll be back at Marvel when his exclusive at DC is up. He confirmed he'll come back to finish Viv's story.
>Seeley
Not a new talent. He's okay, but nothing special.
>Orlando
He can only write Midnighter it seems, everything else is medicore at best
>Williamson
Horrible
>Williams
Not a new talent.

Meanwhile at Marvel
>Ewing
>Brisson
>Loveness
>Spencer
>Rosenberg

I don't think Viv is going to have a story to salvage after Champions and Cain's Vision is done with her

Nope.

His Big Two work(not counting Vertigo):

>Great Tier:
Animal man
Superboy

>Good Tier
Moon Knight
Green Arrow

Everything else is either mediocre or crap.

Says the user who gets butthurt at female characters existing at all.

Descender is also pretty good

Superboy pains me since the first issue highlighted a bunch of planned shit he could never get around to because of the New 52

Nice strawman, casual.

>because of the New 52
Let's not pretend like he didn't set up shit and walked off titles before delivering(Green Arrow, JLU). We'll have to see if he does the same with Thanos, Moon Knight and OML.

>Meanwhile at Marvel
Literal who's and a whiny baby that'll never even be allowed to work at DC.

It most definitely was because the new 52, a bunch of runs got cut short because of flashpoint.

>Literal who's
That's a stupid way of referring to new talent but whatever. Enjoy your 80s relics still getting work today.

Considering that no one cares about Marvel hacks, yes, DC talent is better. Nice try, though.

All I'm saying is that the little shit might've bailed on Superboy regardless. He bailed on JLU where he created his own character and got to hand pick some of his favorite characters to put on it.