He Was Wrong

Cyclops was wrong. Stop being a contrarian.

Marvel went out of their way to show that he was right though?

Marvel failed so hard to make him wrong, they had to destroy Emma Frost's character to justify their bullshit

He was wrong about the Phoenix and Hope, wrong about his "revolution" and he died before he could form an opinion about the cloud so there's no way of knowing if he would have been right about that.

There has never been a more right character than Scott

You are the contrarian here.

Everyone knows Cyclops was right.

>stop being a contrarian

I'm sorry, Cyclops was wrong.
If the Avengers had done nothing, then Hope would have become the host of the Phoenix and lost control, so she would have either destroyed the world or gotten euthanized by Wolverine. End of story.
That doesn't mean that the way the Avengers acted was completely justified, but their intevention saved the world.

Not to mention, Cyclops expected everybody to believe that he was right about Hope and the Phoenix with no actual evidence, just blind faith, whereas the Avengers knew for a fact that the Phoenix had been going on a genocidal rampage on its way to Earth.

>Cyclops expected everybody to believe that he was right about Hope and the Phoenix with no actual evidence

Except the fact that he'd personally fucked the phoenix and it was responsible for saving the world like a dozen times. Oh, and his daughter controlled it just fine. Facw it. The phoenix was his bitch. But this time was totally different because a short Canadian hadn't stabbed any red headed people named Summers lately.

No, this time it was different because the Fire Genocide Chicken was destroying every planet in its path. What would you in the Avengers' position? Risk every life on Earth (including the mutants) for the possibility that it MIGHT force the X-Gene onto people?

Well if the xmen had a plan I'd ask if that doesn't work can we try tony and hanks kill a ma phoenix box copyright stark industries.

>I'm sorry, Cyclops was wrong.
>If the Avengers had done nothing, then Hope would have become the host of the Phoenix and lost control, so she would have either destroyed the world or gotten euthanized by Wolverine. End of story.
>That doesn't mean that the way the Avengers acted was completely justified, but their intevention saved the world.

none were right, but cyclops was def wrong

Their "plan" was "sit here and wait for the Genocide Chicken to possess this teenage girl and everything will be fine". It didn't inspire much confidence. The Avengers' plan to take the teenage girl off-planet just in case shit goes wrong was much more rational.
And here's the important part: after taking Hope off-planet, she was possessed by the Phoenix and was begining to lose control, she begged Snikt-bub to kill her. Stark's Anti-Phoenix gun saved the day.
And of course, in the end it turned out that Hope needed to REJECT the Phoenix (with Wanda's help) in order to bring mutants back, which Cyclops clearly didn't know about.

I'd talk to the guys who dealt with it for years and were preparing for its very arrival first and try for some sort of compromise if I didn't like their plan

Goddamn, AvX pisses me off so much because all that shit could have been avoided if they just talked to Cyclops first about working together. At the very least they'd be more justified if Cyclops told them to fuck off with their team up

>if Cyclops told them to fuck off
He did. Don't forget, he threw the first punch (or blast).

That was after Cap tried swinging his dick around.

Cyclops was right.
You can fag around and say his plan was weak and he was taking a risk by just waiting for the phoenix to come and possess Hope, but he was right.
That's what the phoenix wanted to do and the story was resolved by Hope hosting the phoenix anyway.

Go away Medusa nobody likes you anymore. This is a Mutant board.

>That's what the phoenix wanted to do and the story was resolved by Hope hosting the phoenix anyway.
No, it was resolved by Hope REJECTING the Phoenix with Wanda's help.
When the Phoenix Five were in control of the Phoenix Force, they tried to restore mutants but couldn't.

>When the Phoenix Five were in control of the Phoenix Force, they tried to restore mutants but couldn't.
Cause they weren't Hope.

He was right though. He said the Phoenix was coming to Hope and would reatore the mutant population and that's exactly what happened in the end.

Bendis Logic : oh shit Phoenix force coming to earth wonder who should I ask for info. The guy who's been a husband to the host twice, has a daughter in an alternate universe who uses it with no issues and a son in the future who told him it will be fine.

Fuck no let's ask the mudering psychopath who has a chip on his shoulder since forever coz his manlet ass was trying to fuck Scott's wife for 200 years unsuccessfully. Fucker was probably in hell his entire time in Xavier's School coz his enhanced sense can smell and hear every little detail when Scott is pounding Jeans brains out and he has no choice but jack himself off knowing he wouldn't be able to tap that. There's a reason Logan always searches for Mystique.

Avengers are retards the whole arc but Bendis wrote them so I'm gonna blame him

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BTFO

>Hope would have become the host of the Phoenix and lost control
Source: Your ass.

Fucking contrarians. Cyclops wanted to the Avenger to bet the safety of the ENTIRE WORLD on his opinions. Heck not just the world, the entire universe considering what the Phoenix is capable of. What were the Avengers expected to do? Sit on their asses doing nothing because Cyclops told them to sit down and be good little boys?

Let's not forget that Wolverine was especially a fucking hypocrite when he was an Avenger, Fuck, do I have to remind you that in the Spiderman comic there's a what if (had Spidey gone off the deep end killing Kraven) where FUCKING WOLVERINE THROWS HIM OUT OF THE AVENGERS? You mean to tell people that fucking Sniktbub has a major say in how Spiderman could go wrong after one fucking kill?

That is how retarded Wolverine was.
Thank god he's dead now.

Yes, because Cyclops was and always is right.

You were saying?

Rachel Grey invalidates 80% of the Avenger's rhetoric
ad for the good points they actually had, a better solution would have been to cooperate and use their resources to minimize the risks

People have different too far lines user. For Wolverine killing one guy is no big deal because he was specifically designed to be a killing machine but for Spidey it is a big deal because he is just a kid trying to be responsible.

There is a guy at my work place that swears a lot in meetings but nobody gets offended because that's just how he is, people would get offended if someone else did it though.

I would expect them to at least listen to the team that had a shit ton of experience with the cosmic bird and try to work together instead of telling them to fuck off and trying to deal with it themselves

They offered to work together, Cyclops is the one that told them to fuck off.

>Rachel Grey invalidates 80% of the Avenger's rhetoric
She doesn't, may I remind you once again that the Genocide Chicken was on a planet-destroying rampage while on its way to Earth?

the fuck are you talking about?

tl;dr: Wolverine can kill, Spidey can't

>Genocide Chicken was on a planet-destroying rampage while on its way to Earth
>still killed less people than Xavier has

>>still killed less people than Xavier has
When has Xavier killed billions of people? The only X-Man with a body count that can even be compared to the Phoenix is Bishop.

Didn't he make an evil side that destroyed a microverse? And that whole Onslaught thing?

>Cosmic entity destroying worlds and is barreling towards a young girl
>Rather than just standing around waiting for it to show up and potentially destroy the Earth, Avengers decide it's a better idea to at least try to lure it away in case it goes planet buster
>Slim loses his shit and tells them to fuck off the tip of his dick
>They fight
>Girl goes with Avengers
>Cyclops and his gang get in the way and get cosmic powers
>Proceed to be huge dicks to everyone
>Cyke consumes the others' power, abandoning Emma
>Kills Xavier
>Loses his power
>Is IMMEDIATELY shown his interference made things worse when girl finally does merge with cosmic entity and can only fix things by rejecting the Phoenix and sending it off

There is nothing about this that has Cyclops being right.

He was only "right" in the sense that in the end he got what he wanted even though his own actions had nothing to do with said result.

You spamming genocidal chicken like an inbred redditor doesn't make it correct.

PForce has always had a symbiotic relationship with earth mutants. If you're another planet you're fucked but not if you're an earth mutie. I would even argue that the only reason it came to earth is Wanda Hitler genocided a race so it has to restore balance

Never has the the Phoenix force harmed earth the 3 times we've seen it unless someone messes with your mind.

So how long until Phoenix learn her husbando is dead and genocides the inhumans?

>When has Xavier killed billions of people?
when he went full Entity. didn't even have the excuse of alien influence, Entity was entirely the product of his own mind.

The Phoenix will apparently play a role in The Mighty Thor's curren Shi'ar arc (and they call Quentin Quire in for help because Aaron) and in Jean Grey's solo book.

>Scott is dead
>Emma still alive
>finally get scott all to herself for crazy KFC sex in the white-hot room forever

she should be thanking them

source: literally everyone who has ever hosted the phoenix has lost control of it

it's not worth gambling on one of the most unpredictable entities in all of marvel, and that's what scott was doing

Why is Nightwing wearing a visor?

>Jean Grey's solo book
She still alive?

Young Jean.

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>Kills Xavier
You sure about that?

We clearly didn't read the same book.

Patently false

Jean 1.0 - Fine until Mastermind
Jean 2.0 - Fine
Rachel - Fine
You - retarded

Emma couldn't handle it.
The Cuckoos couldn't handle it.
Future Quentin Quire had it on lock (he was evil but not because of the Phoenix).
Have we forgotten anyone else that Scott might have run into or heard about?

Other than preventing Sniktbub from killing Hope, what exactly did Cyclops do throughout AvX that actually helped?

>Phoenix Force comes to earth
>learns that the Inhuman fart cloud is killing mutants just by existing and that mutants have been fighting back just to survive
>learns that fart cloud is bit part of Inhuman culture/religion/whatever so mutants trying to destory it is something something wiping out muh culture
>sides with Inhumans because they're obviously in the right here

>Marvel went out of their way to show that he was Charlie Sheen though?

Those people weren't meant to host it.

Hope literally had a firebird manifest in her eyes the moment she was born

he made some impressive contributions to the world of architeture-as-art

Nothing besides world peace ending world hunger and creating infinite energy

But noooo avengers feeling like theyre no longer top dog had to poke and poke and poke.

When the world's smartest man tells you you're a fucking retard maybe you are

Why do the Avengers get credit for finally doing in issue 12 what Cyclops was planning since before the miniseries began?

I don't know why people keep posting those fan wank comic "parodies." They aren't funny and everyone has gigantic noses.

Rightclops fans are the alt right of X-Men fans.

No she wouldnt have. Cable had been training her her entire life.

Bad Writing.

no, they tried to take over the operation

Cyclops and Jean weren't fucking back then. Claremont wrote Jean being thirsty for kinky sex, while Cyclops was a prude.

No this is a comics board. Stop being a salty fag because you were wrong.

That's because Jean corrupted the Phoenix Force. She introduced it to her original sin of nymphomania and her arousal at death.

are they ever gonna address if the world getting reset to before the incursions means there's still a pheonix egg waiting to hatch or not?

True. The Avengers came to help. Cyclops was too obsessed trying to play the Big Dog. Beast warned Cyclops about that behavior.

>Bendis
There's no need to discuss anything past that.

They showed up with an army and a Helicarrier at X-Men Island and demanded that Scott hand over Hope.

Reminder that Avengers X-Sanction was published and had Scott not stepped up and told Cap to fuck off, Hope would have died and the world would have ended.

Also a reminder that Cable is the obvious out for Cyclops' return.

>Summers you faggot, do what I want.
>No.
>You are a little bitch fuckboy baby. Watch this.
>*kills himself*
>S-see I win!

it's not about being wrong or right Medusa. It's about being liked or not. and nobody likes you. we want Black Bolt back.

Because Cyclops failed to prepare Hope for the Phoenix properly while the Avengers did.

>Nothing besides world peace ending world hunger and creating infinite energy
I guess they should have just let Doctor Doom take over the world then.
Also, that has nothing to do with Hope or bringing back mutants.
Absolute power corrupts, the Phoenix Five were tyrants and were starting to go off the deep-end.

>When the world's smartest man tells you you're a fucking retard maybe you are
When the world's smartest man is being written by Bendis, he stops being smart.

Clearly that "training" was insufficient. Cable trained her as a soldier, not as a cosmic entity host

You do realize these characters aren't real, user?

Your autism is getting the better of you, user. Please get up from the computer and de-escalate.

Reminder that in BISHOP's future Hope went crazy evil and genocidal, which caused the humans to react by making mutant concentration camps.
There's so many mutually contradictory futures that you can't really take them seriously anymore.

Well that was kinda the Avengers fault for separating the Phoenix into pieces

Bishop really hates crossover baby.

Reference from a Matt Gardner animated X-parody.

If they hadn't done that Hope would have lost control of the Phoenix and killed everyone.

Cyclopsis a dick. he looks like a supermodel whoms only downside to being a mutie is having to wear special glasses. Meanwhile teenagers lives are getting fucked because Scott wanted muties to return. So now Chad's dreams of becoming a top star football players are dead as he sweats sulfur now. THANKS SCOTT.

Cyclops never thinks about the consequences of his actions. He lost both wives and his mistress because Cyclops has no foresight.

Unbelievably ironic considering his code name is Cyclops.

>You can't dislike a character because they aren't real

k

You guys know the Phoenix was coming for that sweet Earth booty to deal with the mutant issue no matter what, right?

Hahaha Drumpf BTFO

>find out someone you cared for deeply, someone you fought alongside for years, is back from the dead
>wife breaks up with you on the spot because you want to welcome them back to the land of the living in-person and make sure its not some mean joke

>both times he lost Jean was because of the pheonix and not him. even her death in claremont's run didn't actually have anything to do with his affair, pheonix needed her in the white-hot room so she could prune sublime from existence

I'll give you Emma though

>Absolute power
Then wait for them to fuck up then if you're so sure. But they kept poking and prodding even if they did nothing wrong yet. That's murdercarol logic

Even your most loyal dog will bite if you keep stabbing it with a stick long enough

>bendis argument

Stupid reasoning. If that's the case then there's no point in discussing anything in the given context since it's wrong by default

if you don't empathize with a character than why reading works of fiction?

Also, is this your first day here or what?

I'd genocide a future with Bishop in it too. He's the shittiest X character.

>literally being an apologist for hypocrites

yeah but the swearing guy is not in the position to tell others not to swear, you twat. Thats the point

Wolverine is a killer. He is protecting Spidey by telling him not to be a killer. How is that bad?

I hope you didn't actually believe an obvious edit.