Who was the better role model?

Who was the better role model?

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Jack, hes nice to everyone unless they try to punch him

Aang is 12

which is uncut?

Jack is a badass, brave, good-looking and righteous samurai master.

Aang is a prepubescent monkey with cancer and gay wind powers.

The answer is pretty obvious.

Jack.

Aang was a typical shonen anime protagonist. That and child protagonists with goofball/trickster personalities were/are common in American cartoons as well.

Jack was a complete rarity in cartoons when it came to age, race, personality and demeanor. That's probably one of the reasons why he's so iconic and remembered, even in comparison to today's cartoon (and even anime) protagonists.

Aang is an annoying little fag.

If Jack was suddenly the avatar, would he be the bet avatar?

Definitely not Aang. He ran away from his responsibilities and allowed 100 years of genocide and rape to happen.

Jack.
He's mature, tries to do the right thing, very patient, treats everyone with respect, humble, etc.

Jack shows that with hard work, a lifetime of training, a dedication unmatched, an unbreakable spirit and a righteous outlook on life, you too can fail to ultimately reach your goal and mostly just hope that in over a decade someone gives it another try to let you succeed.

Aang is proof that so long as you were born into the right lineage, have the right support group, heritage and guy with special skills to call on in the right moment, you too can succeed eventually even if you utterly fuck it up so bad the first time your family dies.

"Role models" should be taken with a grain of salt.

>One's a devoted and courageous warrior who fights for and avenges innocent people even when he's literally going insane from grief

>the other's a not-quite-absolute-kinda-sorta-hypocritical pacifist who refuses to kill a genocidal maniac

Jack.

Always Jack.

>All this shitting on Aang
Shit guys Aang had his moments. I would say that Aang is the better role model but Jack is the cooler character. I like ATLA more than Samurai Jack, but their both god tier cartoons.

other than being too trusting and a tad socially awkward what are jacks flaws?

he's also 12

Except despite Jack's failure, which was to no fault of his own, he's still a good role model..?

Jack.

Aang wasn't even the best protagonist in his own show.

Jack, I guess. He probably would have been a better dad as well if given the chance.

>Aang is proof that so long as you were born into the right lineage, have the right support group, heritage and guy with special skills to call on in the right moment, you too can succeed eventually even if you utterly fuck it up so bad the first time your family dies.

Aang is prone to jealousy, has been known to lie, and has a tendency to blow up in people's faces

Jack got unreasonably angry maybe one time, but he conquered it himself rather than needing his girlfriend to comfort him

Both?

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if waterbenders can do both healing and blood bending, could they also do disease and cancerbending?

technically aang has gay wind, earth, fire, and water powers.

Aang was not typical. He was goofy, sure. But he was also a pacifist whose philosophy was to avoid and run away from conflict. He was rarely hotblooded and his major character arc was accepting his destiny and the responsibility while still staying true to himself. He was also unfailingly nice to everyone and tried to find peaceful solutions to all problems.

He was a major departure not just compared to shounen protagonists, but goofy cartoon characters and brooding superheroes.

Jesus Christ Aang is 12 years old. Of course he's going to act like a little shit sometimes

Jack feels too unattannable to be a role model. He's badass and can beat almost anything. You see Aang's mistakes and how he tries his best to deal with them, and how he feels guilt for the things he has done. And he has to do it while being 12. It's also interesting to watch his moral dilemma when he has to kill Ozai but has been teached his entire life that killing is wrong (though the taking bending away stuff was bullshit and damaged his character). Also he is very wise for his age, but not wise enough to be a Gary Stu, which makes him real and admirable at the same time. I think he's the best role model because you will never be as resilient and badass as Jack, but you can try to deal with your problems the way Aang was trying with his.

>doing nothing is easy, but it's hard to forgive

Aang was around 112 years old. He is a goddamn pedophile and you know it. Need to stop dating kids older enough to be his granddaughter,

Cancer isn't exactly the body being 'wounded'. It's really more like the body being OVERHEALED. Too many cells.

If anything, waterbending healing could CAUSE cancer.


Disease, maybe that can be healed. Who knows.

>cancerbending
Since they can use bloodbending on azulafags i don't see why not

Anger issues which he dealt with on the Mad Jack episode but I think also came up from time to time.
And he's not a perfect warrior because he gets his shit kicked in a lot of times and a lot of times he wins due to luck (this is not even really a flaw it's part of what makes him interesting).

That's pretty much it. Jack is a simple character and he works best that way. The new season is doing great by showing him struggling under the weight of his failures
In general, Jack never feels like an all powerful and invincible Gary Stu because, not only does he have flaws that come back to bite him in the ass, he is completely unprepared most of the time because he's in a world he doesn't understand while still trying to preserve some of his old customs (which is something he gradually lost as the show went on and dissappeared completely in Season 5).
Jack is a perfectly balanced protagonist.

desu waterbenders being able to heal didn't really make sense. All the other bending forms are manipulating elements. How to you manipulate water to glow and heal wounds?

It's magic.

>Aang is proof that so long as you were born into the right lineage, have the right support group, heritage and guy with special skills to call on in the right moment, you too can succeed eventually even if you utterly fuck it up so bad the first time your family dies.

You literally just described Jack. Are you retarded or just being ironic?

Jack, bar none.

Aang burgeoned the typical hyperactive whiny faggot goofball '''''''heroes''''''' like Steven Universe and Finn.

Aang consistently failed to do what needed to be done despite every opportunity he got to do so

Jack has been steadfastly chasing his goal for 50 years because his opponent is a pussy ass bitch that runs away every time Jack has him on equal ground

He'd be a cool Avatar, probably the best Fire Nation Avatar who ever lived. Just think about it:

>The Jack Avatar goes to vanquish an evil spirit that has menaced the Fire Nation for centuries
>The spirit flings the Avatar into the future, where his evil is law
>the Avatar is the only Avatar to master timebending and return home, vanquishing the evil spirit and ensuring peace for hundreds of years

Even as an adult Aang neglected his two older children in favour of the airbender.

Aku pls

He's trying, really, really hard.

>even when he's literally going insane from grief
Someone should tell him they died a long, long time ago so he can take as long as he needs to on his futile quest to turn back time.

Guilt.

Cancer is tissues multiplying out of control and refusing to die.

>He's badass and can beat almost anything
Except he fails constantly and is usually out of his depth in regards to the challenges he faces, even though he's trained basically all of his life to fulfill his destiny to defeat Aku.

I idolized Jack growing up. It's like he said: "No matter how bad things get, I always find a way."

Human body is 70% water. Maybe they can encourage the cells to repair injuries somehow.

>because his opponent is a pussy ass bitch that runs away every time Jack has him on equal ground
I never understood why Jack never just tracked Aku down at his castle and killed him in the future.

>the 2 admitted that they were exaggerating
>Aang had to teach his son his entire culture and religion to breed other Airbenders.

In one episode someone tells Jack that Aku constantly moves his lair. Makes sense since we've seen the castle in a couple of sceneries.

Jack did track down Aku once, but right at the killing blow he went to save some space royalty instead.
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Aang grew a backbone over the series and saved the world with the help of his friends.

Jack keeps getting his shit pushed in by Aku, hasn't won any meaningful fights, and lost his fucking sword.

So Aang it is.

Give it a couple weeks

Momma, don't let your children grow up to be Samurai.

Jack's a quintessential underdog

Aang is basically a demigod powered by the spirit of the universe

Jack

FOORISH SAMURAI

Jack

this

Aku has been shitposting IRL at Jack for over 50 years now and he still hasn't made any progress.


Jack's spent so long trying to get back to the past Aku's voice actor fucking died.

He's been on the boat, so to speak.

Aang was 12. I wouldn't really consider him a role model

In the episode where he joins the gangsters and they stop him from killing Aku he actually wants to go back to the castle, but they tell him that he's already moved out

nobody ever complained about their smell so neither

He's compelled to do short-term good, even at the expense of the long-term.

Except he continued running away from his problems for the entire series until they magically fixed themselves.

Aang chose to run away. Jack did not choose to go to the future.

>Had to
He did not.

>Aang grew a backbone over the series
He did no such thing. When he has to fight Ozai, he pussyfoots around until he's handed a free solution to his dilemma, and even after that he just blocks, runs and hides until he gets his Avatar State back for free.

He FORGOT HIS PURPOSE.

Who had the better show?

Jack, easily.

Aang, I love Samurai Jack but I won't deny that ATLA had great pacing and an actual consistent plot.

Samurai Jack had both those things, just because they were structured differently doesn't mean one did it better.

Jack.
I'd argue both shows share a similar top tier but Samurai Jack takes the edge for overall more consistent quality.
And it's legacy is, and will likely remain, completely untainted, which can't be said for ATLA

It's close but I think it's ATLA because it has an awesome setting and better fights, and most other factors are comparable to Jack

Avatar also had genuine character development across multiple characters. Samurai Jack didn't - it only gives genuine development to 3 characters at best (Jack, Aku and the Scotsman) and even then, their development is sparse.

Granted, Samurai Jack completely outdoes Avatar in art direction, setting, atmosphere and tone.

He's a yes man

The type of show SJ is does not lend itself well to (or require for that matter) lots of developed characters.

You're criticizing it based on personal preference rather than narrative merit.