Why do we hate Alan Moore again? Or rather why do people talk shit about him? I'm not sure what he's been up to lately but all his Lovecraft and magika explorations aside he makes quite a bit of sense. More than retards like Bendis, Millar, or god fucking forbid Frank Miller do.
I'll summarize a bit that stuck with me though: >"(most of) the worlds problems aren't created by the Jewish Banking Conspiracy, Asylum Seekers, Homosexuals, or Scientologists. They are created by Leaders." >says explicitly Anarchism is a Romantic thing, so even though having everyone in charge of themselves would be cool he admits its **Romantic** and not actually how things should be he says there should be an administration at most not people bossing everyone around
Compare that to what Frank Miller said back during Occupy (lol): >The "Occupy" movement, whether displaying itself on Wall Street or in the streets of Oakland (which has, with unspeakable cowardice, embraced it) is anything but an exercise of our blessed First Amendment. "Occupy" is nothing but a pack of louts, thieves, and rapists, an unruly mob, fed by Woodstock-era nostalgia and putrid false righteousness. These clowns can do nothing but harm America. [...]In the name of decency, go home to your parents, you losers. Go back to your mommas' basements and play with your Lords Of Warcraft.[...]
Also I hear Providence is awesome. We need to talk about Moore more.
Because Sup Forums is too obsessed with his life and personal views to read his goddamn comics. You know, the thing that ultimately matters about any artist.
But Sup Forums would rage about him and Morrison than read Providence.
Wyatt Fisher
Also semi-related, look at the RT ratings for the film adapations of his work. Not a single one was actually a good adapation. You can argue some were fun and merely "good" but still.
Cameron Sanders
People dislike Moore because he's denounced every comic he's written due to him not owning the rights to them, because he wrote a comic about fish-rape, and because he's generally out there in terms of neo-paganism LARPing and being a hairy recluse.
That said, I just finished reading his 1200-page sprawling fiction 'Jerusalem' he's apparently been writing over the last 10 years and it was quite good. Both being in many ways a love letter to his favorite authors and a way to feverishly create his own metaphysical ideology, Moore still finds time between the heavy covers to comment on the sordid state of american comics, and somehow spend 4 or 5 pages talking about Herbie Popnecker. Interestingly enough, in a work largely based on the afterlife, Moore stays surprisingly orthodox, venerating saints and archangels and discussing christian theology as per its relation with his Northampton home. It's a rather challenging read but it was very enjoyable, if a little too experimental for most. There's an entire chapter written in gibberish, and another one composed of a naked baby riding on the back of a naked man while he travels through time, and another chapter about ghosts listening to a pedophile argue with his wife, while a full 1/3 of the book occurs while a toddler is choking on a cough drop.
Kayden Howard
Everything about this sounds awesome
Isaac Garcia
>Why do we hate Alan Moore again? Not a hivemind. You chucklefuck.
Jack Gray
See second sentence. It's hyperbole user.
Leo Bailey
>tfw there will never be a truly kino adaptation of alan moore's comics...
>Why do we hate Alan Moore again? It was when he first turned on mainstream comic books as crippling any hope of the comic medium becoming art because they catered to manchildren. There are a lot of big two comic fans that enjoy and vocally request lighter more fanciful comic books. Batman 66' as apposed to TDKR. Then he turned the knife by saying Watchmen wasn't deconstructionist in that it attempted to reveal the real emotional viewpoints and ideology and impact vigilantes would have on the real world. But rather it was deconstructionist in that it ridiculed the very idea of costume hero's and the mental gymnastics it would take to even entertain the idea. Whether or not that was his intention when he wrote it wasn't the issue. He felt the need to publicly come out and say 'your waifu a shit' and nobody wants to hear that. Especially from some one you liked. Personally I enjoy most of what he does but I can't stand his more 'artistic masturbation' stuff. Some times I just want to see a guy in a cape punch hitler.
Aaron Cox
So you're saying him and Burzumguy would get along? Or is being a neonazi a step too far?
Jace Stewart
Well I haven't found anything he's said objectionable ever but I wasn't born n raised on Supes and other assorted caped crusaders.
My dad showed me 60's Batman and that was likely my first ever introduction to super heros. And I laughed along with it because he found it silly, and because it was indeed silly.
I've never looked at any other super hero story any differently unless it was either explicitly deconstructionist in nature (Watchmen, TDKR, Logan, etc), OR if it was trying to subvert the trope in a different way. Much of Logan's catalogue is him being a literal beast in the fucking wild and shit running through the woods which was pretty cool.
So maybe I can't sympathize because I was never Fanboy with a capital f but yeah you'r capefu a shit user.
Nicholas Hernandez
No one mentions Lost Girls? I mean...that seems like a relatively recent reason. Or Barbara Gordon being crippled for dramatic effect?
In the very least, worship of his mighty Snake God?
Cameron James
Is it that surprising that the guy who wrote "Holy Terror!" (intending for it to be Batman) & All-Star Batman to act like this? I mean, that & he looks like a person hiding the fact that he is a human candle by wearing a trenchoat & fedora like Raphael all the time
Grayson Parker
Varg would probably be sickened by Moore's fascination with the hoax-snake god, and his general uncleanliness to boot I wager.
His reasoning for making Lost Girls seemed acceptable here in part 4 of the OP series:
tl;dr characters sexuality doesn't get explored often enough so lets make something extreme to force people to talk about it, also call it porn not erotica so it seems less pretentious
>In the very least, worship of his mighty Snake God?
But he only does it ironically :^)
>Moore took as his primary deity the ancient Roman snake god Glycon, who was the centre of a cult founded by a prophet known as Alexander of Abonoteichus, and according to Alexander's critic Lucian, the god itself was merely a puppet, something Moore accepts, considering him to be a "complete hoax",[6][118] but dismisses as irrelevant. According to Pagan Studies scholar Ethan Doyle-White, "The very fact that Glycon was probably one big hoax was enough to convince Moore to devote himself to the scaly lord, for, as Moore maintains, the imagination is just as real as reality."[119]
Luis Martinez
Frank's OP post on Occupy had decent criticisms in it, like calling complaining libs i-phone using hypocrites and other stuff.
Don't think he needed to fully go MUH CUNTREE USA USA USA USA MUH AL KAYDUH and shit though like keep your fucking power level in check dude. That part was proof to me that he was always insane and just needed sufficient triggering to reveal himself.
Luke Perez
>Or Barbara Gordon being crippled for dramatic effect? Only problem with this is she didn't die from her injuries.
Only 1 member of the Batfamily worth a damn is Cass and I'm not even a waifufag.
Easton Wood
I haven't seen it in years, but I liked the League movie. Not as an adaptation though.
Adrian Sullivan
Moore doesn't so much have a problem with light escapist superhero comics, he takes issue with the lack of creativity amongst comic publishers. Comics don't sell on good writing, they sell on brand recognition.
Noah Ward
Can you expand on your point here?
t. clueless on mainstream comics
Kayden Perez
If you want to know how Moore feels about the comics industry here is a very good interview with him. It's a long read though
It felt like it was a hasty decision & DC did it's best to move with it by making her Oracle, which they eventually just decided to undo so they could have a cool, new hipster superhero & didn't feel like ruining someone else.
Lincoln Nelson
because he's a angry grandpa
Kayden Sullivan
Arrogant pretentious turd who is long past his prime and hasn't made anything worthwhile in an extremely long time that has totally bought into his own hype
Jeremiah Ward
angry grandpas dont present solutions they just say "get off my lawn"
note the juxtaposition of moore with FRANK MILLER in the OP, arguably the foremost angry grandpa in comics today
i disagree
>and hasn't made anything worthwhile in an extremely long time
>providence >+
opinion invalidated
Jack Johnson
The Killing Joke was never intended to be canon. It was only retroactively made that way due to its massive popularity. No one in DC really cared about Barbara Gordon before then which is why they allowed Moore to go through with it in the first place.
Adrian Wood
They certainly did seem to use the term "Sure, ___ the bitch!" Pretty often in their editorial offices.
Nathaniel Russell
They really turned into a Justice League of Victorian Era
Connor White
ssshhh Bruce Timm might be lurking
Noah Perez
I hated how they took Mina from being the main character who is just a strong, independent woman who solves things using her wits & her tenacity despite the traumas of her past...and then just made her a shitty vampire.
Julian Hill
Bruce Timm does things these days?! I thought they let that all fall into the toilet when they canceled Teen Titans!
