Hey, you guys remember that children's film "The Incredibles" where >superhero saves a man from attempted suicide, only to be sued because the man didn't want to be saved >superheroes have to go into hiding after falling out of the public's good graces >former fanboy, shunned by his personal hero, becomes a villain who creates advanced technology with the goal of making heroes irrelevant >tests said tech by luring heroes to his private island and murdering them >family of supers each has to deal with their place in the world and what they should be doing with their powers >protag, after believing his family has been killed, grabs a woman in a fit of blind rage and threatens to snap her in half >villain urges him to do it >henchmen fire automatic weapons at literal children >villain ultimately dies by being sucked into a jet turbine (while attempting to kidnap an infant)
How is it that Pixar managed to create a movie with more emotional depth and complexity than anything DC or Marvel is shitting out nowadays? How does this children's movie tackle these dark and serious topics while still inspiring hope and maintaining the core values of honor, duty and family?
Jesus Christ, hacks like Snyder, Whedon, Feige, etc. need to TAKE FUCKING NOTES
Liam Perez
Great movie
Isaac Hall
judging from the thread yesterday the sequel will be nothing like this
disney is aware of how randian the original came off as and test audiences barring, are working to fit the new film in with the rest of the disney properties for better synergy in the modern times
expect more quips and less themes
Connor Rivera
It was a different time
Robert Cox
Yes, OP. I too remember when superhero movies weren't being made for literal retards.
Samuel Carter
This glorious motherfucker made it, that’s how
Caleb Johnson
it was actually a different time?
Blake Nelson
there was a character named GAYserbeam. as in "laserbeam? more like GAYserbeam!" yes i know what the intention was but jesus christ what a bad name.
Josiah Sullivan
>movie about a white family with superpowers ummm how bout you take this nazi propaganda back to Sup Forums?
Evan Ward
I think so actually
Jose King
>haleyjoelosmet.jpeg
Hudson Russell
The was the first movie I remember seeing in the theater.
William Foster
you may be right but the first will always be there
Kayden Lee
>Randian Go back to /lit/, the only board on this website that actually likes Ayn Rand and her drivel.
Leo James
The Incredibles is hands down the best Pixar movie. GOAT score, voice acting, animation style >ABORT! ABORT! THERE ARE CHILDREN ON BOARD Always makes me feel. Cautiously optimistic about the sequel
Nice digits. Awful post.
Noah Gray
>check'd
Kayden Richardson
The superheroes having silly names was a part of the joke, retard
Connor Kelly
You're the gayest faggot I remember sucking on my peater.
Samuel Sanders
If not for Tomorrowland he would have a perfect filmography.
Oliver Carter
Trying too hard here, dial it back
Wyatt Lee
a gay joke in a children's movie? wrong
Aaron Davis
Bob's best friend was black though, very progressive. And even the women can kick butt!!
Dominic Thomas
Are you serious or is this some forced meme I missed? Its gazerbeam, because he shoots it from his eyes, gaze
Aaron Harris
i said i get it faggot. that's what the joke was supposed to be. but in doing that, they made his name sound like GAYserbeam.
William Baker
Brad’s /ourguy/, and i trust he’s done what he wants with Incredibles 2 instead of getting cucked by Disney
Liam King
Soon
Elijah Ortiz
...
Liam Mitchell
He had a laser gaze you fat fuck
Ethan Russell
sweetie that is called tokenism and it is demeaning and marginalizes women and people of color but i bet youre the type of person who thinks they arent racist because they have black friends so back to Sup Forums with you!
Anthony Turner
ok :^)
Anthony Robinson
i said i get the intention you unbelievable retard. i anticipated you being a retard and you still couldn't figure it out.
Kevin Reed
what dont you like about ayn rand, user?
James King
t. nazi
Nolan Watson
Hero stuck on an island with family no way to get to them unless they magically get a method of transport >let me call in a favor from an old pal xdddd >le deus ex shitty writing
Don't let obvious glaring problems distract you from nostalgically reminiscing over a children's film you saw as a child
Angel Powell
>Look up Brad Bird >literally made like five things in his entire life
Charles Morales
>liking Bad Turd
Luis Lopez
>look up user >nothing to look up because he's accomplished nothing
Thomas Garcia
But only idiots think it's Randian. Bob's arc is all about how he doesn't need to be completely self-reliant and can lean on his family as they lean on him, Dash doesn't need recognition of his superpowers anymore, and the villain is a self made billionaire who doesn't care about anyone else which is his downfall. Also Bob cares greatly about helping others even when it interferes with the profits of his company. There's nothing Randian about it at all. That's such a dumb meme.
Gavin James
And they're all kin-oh, fuck I forgot about tomorrowland.
Elijah Ramirez
They establish way earlier in the film she was a pilot and being a former SUPER HERO has connections. Its not a huge leap.
Landon Nguyen
thats not deus ex machina at all, you butt. though it is strange that elastigirl, who is now a mother of three, has her pilot's license.
Ethan Taylor
>getting bent out of shape over a character flying a plane If I pull that mask off, will you die?
Isaac Walker
i didn't mean to say it IS strictly randian, but as you say, the meme is out there
the film is mostly finished and brad has less control over the story this time around
Aaron Jackson
You're a pants-shitting retard.
Dominic Phillips
That's not a fair comparison, I've made a number of presentations, short films, and a music video back in High School
Juan Reed
cause it was original take on superheroes dc or marvel don't have the luxury of doing something even remotely experimental or run free with the characters or make create new ones to fit their story and needs and the movies are aimed towards lowest common denominator to make as much money as possible
Jaxon Morris
uncalled for desu i think our little talk must be over, goodbye
Jayden Martinez
The Supers worked for the government. Through her years as Elastigirl it isn't too far to assume she saved some important people or did some favors for some government officials. Syndrome even asks why there's a government plane requesting to land on his island. Although I will say her having a pilot's license is kind of out there.
Charles Hill
This is the funniest character pixar has ever come up with
Ryder Reed
>racist stereotype >funny
Charles Roberts
>tfw he turned down Episode VII to make Tomorrowland >tfw we got JJshit instead
FUCK
Benjamin Ortiz
Is Tomorrowland really that bad? I always kind of wanted to see it. I get the sense it isn't but it gets shit on because there was so much hype at the time for it to be amazing and it was just okay.
Easton Brown
>garbage man
James Powell
ITT: distractingly-bad relationship writing that blemishes an otherwise good show
Easton Flores
He did? Pfft haha. I guess he didn't want to sacrifice creative freedom.
Joseph Gomez
She wants him so bad, how long until she snaps and goes on a murderous and suicidal rampage?
Nathan Baker
>How is it that Pixar managed to create a movie with more emotional depth and complexity than anything DC or Marvel is shitting out nowadays?
Because they cared more about an interesting story than leaving every single possible avenue open for sequels and franchises
Chase Rogers
How is that related to this thread? Bob and Ellen's relationship in The Incredibles was fucking kino-tier realistic
Luis Lee
I'm a fucking idiot and didn't upload this as a separate thread. Oh well.
Jordan Morgan
Stereotype of what? Mixed-race fashion auteurs?
Bentley Davis
We've all been there
Asher Gray
>big glasses >bangs >slanty eyes >thick accent asian stereotype that is literally almost as bad as mickey rooney in breakfast at tiffanys
Sebastian Gray
Bad bait
Nolan Wood
holyshit_we_got_a_badass_here.jpg.exe
Kevin Stewart
No, I still maintain that Batman v Superman is the best superhero movie ever made.
But Incredibles was really neat and another one of the few genuinely good movies in the genre. So few actually engage with its inherent themes in a meaningful way.
Austin Wilson
...
Gavin Ramirez
Remember the scene where Mr Incredible uses the CORPSE OF HIS FRIEND to fool a drone into thinking he's a corpse?
Benjamin Robinson
Either memeing or absolute turbopleb. BvS has no thematic significance whatsoever
Nolan Torres
Other side of the same shekel as marxism. Taking the same destructive individualism but preaching it to the top of the economic bell curve as opposed to the bottom.
Hudson Morris
btfo
Chase Sullivan
>marxism >individualist user...
Gavin Baker
Stop with the children's movie crap, they months intentionally writing this for both kids and adults.
Luis Edwards
>I used to design for GODS I remember almost all of her lines by heart.
Lucas Jenkins
It was a different time
Jace Murphy
>implying the root of evil in capitalism and marxism isn't materialism and commodification of the human spirit
Samuel Jackson
Yes, that's precisely what it is. It wants a society with no ties between people, no ethnic or cultural distinctions. No intergenerational ties, no genetic stakes in the future. It's a collection of unrelated individuals connected by their common stake in economic policy. And it allows close knit nepotistic ethnic in-groups to dominate. Just like idealized libertarianism.
You've got a sham political spectrum based on one minor part of the complexity of running a state but you don't even realize it.
Samuel Richardson
>his friends dont have a private jet
sucks to be you pal
Luis Hernandez
That's what I'm saying, without resorting to the use of religious arguments to back up my claims.
Both marxism and lolbergism are individualist ideologies because to them, the individual is the unit of society and the individual's immediate economic interest is the only matter of concern. Contrast with collectivist ideologies like most types of religious paleoconservativism (pre-secular humanism) or fascism/national socialism. These treat the whole group and its survival as the primary goal, and the basic unit is the family - individuals with a stake in the future.
Justin Edwards
That guy: >A number of presentations, short films, and a music video Youthful experimentation. Inspired by music. An understanding for the role of commerce and clear communication in artwork. Your favourite directors' youthful output is likely similar. You: >reddit memes I see.
Colton Martin
I'm still geeking out about it
Robert Martinez
>geeking out go back to neopets, holy shit
Sebastian Fisher
Great world building with a garbage ending, i.e. Lindelof curse
Connor Reyes
could you explain the second half for plebes like me, are you saying that libertarianism props itself up to be the opposite of marxism while actually being no less different? Is the whole have/have-not idea not a founding principle of marxism, and if it is can it be found in libertarian ideology?
t.literal idiot
Jason Russell
delete this philistine image
Parker Cooper
>look up James Joyce >only wrote four books >and a book of poetry or something lol
I'm more into quantity over quality, personally.
Matthew Powell
>memeing about james joyce anywhere but /lit >on /tv of all places good luck subsisting off your minimal (You)'s if you're being sincere then stephen king has a ton of books you can read, they're pretty easy to get into and many of them have film adaptations.
Alexander White
>shits on rand >posts tumblr weeb shit
Luis Hughes
great post friend
Nicholas Murphy
>The Randfags also like Tolkien AHAHAHAHA, this shit writes itself. "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
Brody Sanders
best cosplayer did a thing about the girl with the powers etc. here
Evan Harris
Did you even watch what this thread's about?
Robert Jenkins
How can DC and Marvel villains compete?
John Edwards
It's not that libertarianism is marxist or marxism is libertarian. It's that they both share essentially the same philosophical ancestry. They are both ideologies where the individual is the unit, the atom of society, and they structure society to cater to the individual's interest. The difference is that libertarianism appeals to those who think they can benefit from more freedom, while marxism to those who think they can benefit from enforced equality.
Something like national socialism is therefore a third position, because it doesn't fit on this spectrum at all. To a national socialist, an ethnic group (a race) is like an organism that individuals form part of. Fascism is similar, but the organism is the institution of the state, not the ethnic group. And to catholics it is the church. The interests of the group as a whole come first and foremost. This is the sort of thinking most historical societies from tribes to empires tended to assume, simply because a group that thinks this way defeats a collection of individuals.
Robert Ortiz
why did she have to leave her stupid chin piercing in?
Xavier Ward
>neotrash thinks everyone who wants to discuss thing he likes is also neotrash and will tolerate neotrash lingo See, this is exactly the kind of shit I'm talking about.
Nolan Harris
Which was better? Bomb Voyage or Bomb Perignon?
William Evans
HIS GAZE IS A LASER
Thomas Perez
Last time I was on /lit/ anyone that liked Rand was mocked
Dylan Nelson
Jesus christ he really does look like syndrome
Lincoln Reyes
There was even more they planned in older scripts
a Hero named Gamma Jack was a Super Supremacist & thought they should be seen as the superior race, obviously cut because it's too much for a Disney movie, but i think have liked to see how they handled a former Super going rogue instead of Syndrome, would have been more like Watchmen