>No One Understands This All-Female Lord of the Flies Remake >Twitter thoroughly mocked the new movie concept. >But not every story makes sense to gender-flip. Particularly if that story is William Golding’s classic Lord of the Flies, a vicious tale about a barbaric boy-made society. >The concept alone (it just . . . disregards the point of the book!) was enough to raise Twitter’s hackles, let alone the fact that it will also be written and directed by men. >An all women remake of Lord of the Flies makes no sense because... the plot of that book wouldn't happen with all women
Where do you stand on this issue? Are women peacefull and diplomatic by nature? Are the filmmakers disregarding their responsibility to society to faithfully represent women?
>you can't show women as barbaric that just doesn't work Full disclosure I've never read the book but is this what this argument is basically boiling down to? Or is there something deeper. Cause to me it sounds like they are arguing that women don't have it in their nature, i.e. aren't biologically inclined towards barbarism. Which goes against the doctrine that there are no differences between the sexes
This. Someone must have that image of the survivor series that split the men and women up...you can probably guess how that went
Connor Clark
no women aren’t smart enough or strong enough to survive as long as the boys did and wouldn’t have the energy to kill one another, they’d just starve each other incidentally by not cooperating
Lincoln Miller
It's not sexist but masculinity is a big theme of Lord of the Flies that'll be lost.
Parker Peterson
I think the idea is idiotic and the movie will flop hard. Men and women don't act and think the same. The story can only happen with boys. Girls would not act like that.
This is the next Ghostbusters.
Isaiah James
>people being mad we are getting a movie with 20 shoeless lolis for 120 minutes
Nolan Watson
>KILL THE PIG >CUT HIS THROAT >SPILL HIS BLOOD
I know Millie's next role
If roasties fuck this one up, I'll never forgive them
Owen Morris
i think its a bit of a slander on men to say that only men could create a scenario as horrible of lord of the flies, but at the same time its pretty hard to believe women would behave the same way. The society would still be terrible in an all female version, it just wouldnt be nearly as violent.
The plot of the book wouldn't happen because the girls would all breakdown, cry, then die of starvation/exposure/dehydration/disease/etc.
Jason Thomas
>Are women peacefull and diplomatic by nature? No. One woman alone is peaceful. Two women will work together. Three women, two will gang up on the weaker one. Any numbers above 3 are the same, with factions and teams constantly forming and breaking. Watched it all my life. Women aren't happy unless they're mad at someone, and will rally those around her to support her anger.
Lor Of The Flies is actually accurate to how women act - I've never believed that the book could happen, with boys, especially western boys. Maybe middle eastern kids would go feral, but large groups of western kids, no way. A group of boys like that would band together, like the Scouts. So, the movie COULD work, if the people making it are honest about how women really are.
Colton Nguyen
That is the point: They will start to act like men to survive and then start to kill each other.
Noah Fisher
I don't think boys were the cause of the society turning barbaric. Cause a shortage of supplies and any human will do it.
Thomas Thompson
True, they would just talk a lot about their feelings, cry and starve on the island.
Landon Morgan
There's no way this can work, not in today's environment. Either they do a straight gender swap and just retell the plot without any significant changes, which is pointless and will be weird because women/girls don't act like the boys in the book, or they adapt the material to depict how a feral female society will break down into the chaos of female bitchiness and incompetence, which will be decried as misogynistic. This pretty much encapsulates why female lead characters are almost always Mary Sues or Ms. Males.
Luis Bell
Females, with no males to compete for and provide for, will fall apart immediately.
LOTF isn't a particularly good book, and as Goldman's first, not that good compared to his later work. There are better books that explore the dynamics of groups of males in extreme settings - King Rat by Clavell is a great book, especially as it's based on his own experiences in a WWII japanese prisoner of war camp. They were challenged to keep the bigger alliances together, but the men still grouped by nationality. The smaller groups or teams were more important, and a tension between officers and enlisted, but overall, they pulled together and survived.
Adam Lopez
In my experience as a child, things got fucked up, weird, and tribal soon as parents left with either gender.
I think solitary females are much more docile and peaceful than solitary men. But get a group of ONLY girls together, when there’s no adult around to stop them, and they’ll be just as savage as boys. Add to that a survival scenario and limited food, and you’ll get that x100
Jacob Cook
Those hot opinions.
Charles Clark
>They will start to act like men "No!"
Camden Long
>Some poster on a taiwanese sewing board thinks a literary classic is a bad book
Blake Hughes
ITT: Homespun biotruths about womyn.
Jeremiah Collins
it's plain but it'll get the job done as bait
Easton King
the NYT interviewed a child psychologist
>“It could be problematic if all they’re doing is switching out girls for boys and saying, ‘Well, girls would do this too,’” said Pamela Davis-Kean, a professor of psychology at the University of Michigan who studies children and families. >Though many differences between boys and girls tend to be overstated, boys do tend to be more physically aggressive, she said. Some of the novel’s scenes of physical violence probably wouldn’t align with how girls would settle their issues, especially in the era of the book, she said. >The depth of collaboration could be another departure, she said. While the boys in the book did try to set up effective communication methods, like only speaking when holding a conch shell, they largely ended up deferring to leaders. Girls would be more likely to hear more ideas and deliberate, Ms. Davis-Kean said. >“My guess would be a lot more time in the shell circle trying to figure out what to do,” she said.
>society created by women >nothing works >nothing gets done >everyone dies >the end
I would go see it.
Alexander Bell
Women aren't as violent but they are far more psychologically horrible.
Anthony Cox
They'll cast 18+ actresses instead.
Xavier Bennett
>especially western boys Where did you grow up? Boys are especially prone towards being brutal and combative, whites just as much as browns if not more so because pajeets and beaners are often more social/beta
Juan Hall
>band together like the Scouts
t. Eagle Scout here. Most of the boys iirc were barely scouting age (11 or 12 at most). And if you were in the scouts, and ever had to lead younger boys, you would realize there are very much two or three kinds of boys.
There are the ones you describe, which are like Ralph; reluctant leaders that just want to survive, and see order.
There are kids like Piggy or the twins and the littleuns; passive, nonviolent, but willing to go along with whatever the group does.
Then there were kids like Jack. They will try to prove their own prowess and power, but rather than desiring order and civility, they seem to relish chaos and the suffering of a few simply for their own amusement. They are narcissistic and petty, and I think all it would take to turn them from “that asshole kid” to complete tyrant or anarchic leader fairly quickly is a lord of the flies scenario.
The book is very realistic. I think if I were their age, I may have even been of that 3rd type...
Jackson Martin
Which is nothing like what any of these retards are saying.
I hope they do. I’d rather stare at developed breasts than stick legs and flat chests all movie.
Tyler Reyes
t. soyboy
Julian Scott
Spending hours coming to a consensus so nothing gets done and then bitching about each other behind their back is exactly what would happen as has been demonstrated by all those Survivor shows.
Jonathan Parker
>barbarism is viewed as a bad thing >"hurr we can't associate that with our precious women! That's a male only trait!"
Jesus Christ.
Jack Perez
I know the author literally stated he kept women out of the book because things wouldn't have gotten so brutal otherwise. Gender-flipped remakes are cancer anyway.
Samuel Lewis
The story would have never happened with an all women cast. Women are unable to create a society, even if its just a savage one. They'd be unable to establish a ruler, they wouldnt cooperate, they wouldnt work, they wouldnt hunt or gather, they'd just basically exist until they die.
Lincoln Morales
The solution is simple Make them black
Thomas Robinson
>the plot of that book wouldn't happen with all women
Women spend history sitting on their asses fully expecting men to just hand them resources they had to gather or kill each other over. At worst the women belonged to the losing side of the war, in which case they just spread their legs to the winning side and continued to suck away free shit. Never in history it happened that there wasn't some beta faggot who immediately didn't set out to get the resources when the women felt that they deserve it, so of course that the cancerous cunts on Twatter cannot even imagine scenario where women had to actually pull their own weight.
Brayden Bennett
>all women movies are a good thing >movie with only women but not depicted as precious angels is not okay
so this is how brain damage looks like?
Jaxson Morales
And the constant backstabbing and shifting loyalties. It would be a great reality show, but a movie? Nah.
>women spend history sitting on their asses Not because they wanted it.
Ayden Ortiz
women are more barbaric than men how many unborn do they have killed? how many men are without love? how many men can't see their kids and lost their money? how many kids get abused by single mothers? welfare state fucking and procreating with bad men false rape accusations
I hope the filmmakers will explore the depths of female evil
Lincoln Scott
That's essentially what that post said?
Jacob Murphy
Have you seen the women they cast in movies these days.
Alexander Hernandez
It's different nigger. Females are more psychologically barbaric. Males are more physically barbaric.
Easton Hill
Exactly. This is the sort of shit that pushes the feminist agenda that "the world be such a more peaceful place without men."
Nathan Watson
Literally who cares?
Isaac Sanchez
You have to be psychologically barbaric to be physically barbaric.
Colton Williams
Women can't even stop gossiping about each other for 2 minutes, but they're all gunna get together peacefully alone on an island....
makes perfect sense to me
Owen Moore
To be fair you have to understand that women are truely slave drivers. They never really sleep or meditate or feel at peace like men do; there's always some minutia, some little distraction that keeps them from being content like men are. That's why they can't shut up and complain about everything, and its evolutionary. Child rearing and protection is pretty much a 24-hour job
Its not that women are intellectually and physically lazy, but that their minds are adapted to very specific roles and cannot fathom abstracts and ideology like men can.
Nicholas Lee
>how many men are without love? Just love yourself.
Thomas Garcia
Something like this
Easton Roberts
True. I guess I worded that wrong. What I meant was Women try to destroy you on a psychological level whereas men are more physical in their approach.
Kayden Rogers
The point of making this movie with females, is that a bunch of slimy, Hollywood Jews will be on an island with scantily clad, prepubescent girls for 6 weeks.
Henry Ortiz
>genuinely believing there are fundamental differences between men and women apart from the apparent biological ones and their psychological consequences
I seriously hope you guys don't do this.
Bentley Parker
>cannot fathom abstracts and ideology like men can
The female artists, and writers disprove that.
Nice biotruths, though.
Owen Roberts
If I was the director I would make cummies in their little bikini bottoms
Blake Cruz
I dislike remakes and I especially dislike remakes that fuck with things like gender/race of the characters because it's lazy.
Elijah Harris
...
Xavier Reed
You will be first on the Cross.
Josiah Martinez
>What are exceptions to the rule
>biological differences that literally create physical and psychological differences
Hmm
John Peterson
>a few examples proves a rule No.
Anyway, group dynamics in females aren't as gut as a pair of women's dynamics. Women naturally pair bond, in "BFF" relationships, not big fucking groups.
Jack Kelly
Not exceptions.
Therw are thousands of writers/artists who are women.
Levi Lopez
thank you for this it was a great read, I haven't laughed like this in a while
Adam Evans
There's a difference between >men can't bear children and women can >men don't care about children as much as women as a consequence and >men are honest and women are backstabbers >men don't gossip and women do >men are smarter than women
Kayden Murphy
kys
Charles Perry
kys
Juan Turner
Another Eagle scout here. This is true, more true than I'd like really.
Chase Ramirez
>y story makes sense to gender-flip. Particularly if that story is William Golding’s classic Lord of the Flies, a vicious tale about a barbaric boy-made society. >>The concept alone (it just . . . disregards the point of the book!) was enough to raise Twitter’s hackles, let alone the fact that it will also be written and directed by men. >>An all women remake of Lord of the Flies makes no sense because... the plot of that
I remember that survivor series. The undertaker threw womankind off of a steal cage and through an announcer's table
Kevin Campbell
isnt eagle scout like a huge ass something in muh states ? like only 1000 thousand alive no ?
Nathan Bennett
And yet there are thousands of more men. And all the most famous artists/writers are men. Interesting.
Ethan Watson
Link to the wiki of that series?
Levi Barnes
Almost as if women were historically discriminated against.
Brayden Davis
Why do publications keep pushing this narrative that women are great and all men are violent?
Nathaniel Murphy
It's because if women were in charge we'd have less wars. Haven't you heard, user?
Nicholas Rivera
its a big deal yes, you get rayped and then the president kisses your gaping asshole afterwards in front of you Americlapping parents and your boymongering scout master whose bred you up to be a good cuckboy
Wyatt Long
>we UNIRONICALLY live in a timeline in which people don't think that the message of Lord of the Flies is that all people have evil in their hearts and ACTUALLY, UNIRONICALLY BELIEVE that it's saying that boys suck and are naturally killers
Logan Williams
Because women learned how to write.
Tyler Morris
Oh, get fucked you limpwristed cocksucker. Everything is handed to them. EVERYTHING. Even today, when both sexes work, women comprise only 20% of all tax revenue, but 80% of all spendings. The more free they are the more they screech how bad they have it.
>Not because they wanted it.
Yeah, because doing sweet fuck all during day, maybe poke toddlers around and cooking some bland shit for an hour while the guy is out breaking his bad is such a terrifying existence. Reminder that ever since women were allowed to slave away for the corporations...errr, I mean have gainful careers, the happiness index of women just decreased and decreased.
Carson Scott
It would be interesting if they realistically wrote the differences (female conflict being more social than physical, how female groups get an alpha through that method instead of who's just the physically fittest, most women not being suited for practical survival and it only really being a few more masculine women doing everything) but in reality they will just gender swap the names and have the exact same plot take place since hollywood is lazy as fuck and violence is easier to pitch than intricate interpersonal dynamics.
Brandon Russell
Men have always excelled women in arts and literature. In fact, men have always excelled women in any and all areas of excellence
Anthony Thompson
Yeah, not really.
Women weren't even allowed to publish.
Jacob Perry
>will also be written and directed by men.
And Wonder Woman is a movie made by women despite only woman being the director which is the easiest position to undermine with pre-planning executives and all producers and writers being men.
Parker Howard
Most artists and writers have come from aristocracy historically, especially women. They still underperform compared to male pauper artists and writers
Thomas Bell
and now that they are men still BTFO them >female artists Name one apart from singers (which are mostly just tits and ass anyways)
Grayson Bennett
And so now that they aren't, Why aren't there a surge of women writers/artists overtaking these male greats?
Owen Davis
>how many men are without love?
kind of gives the game away about what you're really mad about
Aaron Campbell
Then there wouldn't be any female writers then, huh? Retard
David Green
Something like 1 in 50 scouts will attain that rank. I think there’s a few million of us overall, though.
Oliver Baker
>it just wouldnt be nearly as violent. Reminder that lesbian couples have highest rate of domestic violence than any other demographic, twice as high as the second worst.
Sebastian Brown
t. numale who would find it excruciating to meditate even for a few seconds and has to have a constant dopamine drip of video games, porn and internet to stave away bad no no feels
Caleb Watson
There is literally no way to reverse the effects of history on society, talking about today is irrelevant.
