Iron Fist vs Shang Chi

Has it ever been established in the comics who is the better martial artist Sup Forums? Iron Fist or Shang Chi?

Iron Fist

The Immortal Iron Fist vs Shang Chi the MASTER of kung fu

hmm

Yes, Shang Chi is.

Shang Chi is considered to have the edge but its always close. In a tournament fight I'd say Shang Chi wins 5 bouts vs. Iron Fists 3. In a fight-fight, where Iron Fist might USE the Iron Fist? Even money.

The one with the iron fists.

Shang is slightly better, but doesn't have magic powers.

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So how come Shang-Chi can't use chi powered punches? Where's his magic if he's such a master?

he's a master of kung fu, not a master of chi bullshit

The iron fist is a technique you can only master if you punch a dragon in the heart.

I think Shang Chi can do Chi powered feats. Just not the Iron Fist technique.

Iron Fist got beat by *wolverine* in a fight. Not using his claws.

Now this is some bullshit right here, Logan is a skilled fighter but there is no way a martial artist of Danny's level should've had any trouble with him at all. And I don't think his bones or his healing could've played a significant factor in this particular fight. As I said, it was bs. But it happened.

( I choose to take both at their word, Wolvie really was giving it about a 6, Danny was giving it a 3 - because he knew that he'd walked over wolvie if he wanted to)

Shang Chi doesn't get used very much, but when he does he doesn't job. The very opposite, they tend to show that his skill level is to the point it elevates him out of street-level into the big leagues.

Shang-Chi is better. Danny is good but on par with the other Immortal Weapons. Shang-Chi is a step above.

And the decaying corpse of Old Steve Rogers managed to defeat Shang-Chi and his clone army. Favoritism tends to happen.

Reminder that Iron Fist has TWICE beaten Sabertooth without his powers. Once without even being able to see!

Shang-Chi is like Marvel's Karate Kid.

logan loses to squirrel girl next page

yeah but Bendis wrote this, so we'll ignore that like how he ignores everything else

Shang. He's the Master of Kung Fu. Danny isn't far behind him, though.

Your own scan reveals your failure. Namely, the part where Panther says "chi." Just the way he says it, with air quotes, says he doesn't give it credit, he's being dismissive. And as someone so steeped in science, it's not surprising. But the iron fist, and all the techniques that come with it, are still martial arts. Even if Danny hadn't defeated the dragon, knowing how to manipulate his own chi is a skill. The dragon just gave him more energy to work with. Shang Chi has shit on Danny Rand, period.

Wolverine doesn't get tired and any pain from Danny's non-Iron attacks would be healed in seconds. Wolverine has superhuman physical abilities, regardless of differences in fighting skill.

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I swear this guy is more of a Mary Sue than batman.

>plus a dash of bruce lee
REEEEEEEEEEEEE

What about the lesser knowns in the martial arts world like The Cat?

Shen Kuei is high tier - not an Iron Fist level but he's up there. He'd handily kick most people's asses
Has that motherfucker even been in anything since Cable/Deadpool?

>Shang Chi has shit on Danny Rand, period.
Shang is more than a match for Danny. As far as "chi" goes, he probably understands it more, too. Danny specialises in one very specific aspect of focusing his chi, whereas Shang's knowledge is probably more wide-ranging.

Nowadays he 100% is

He hasn't been exposed to hell and back so he really really isn't. Also I liked how he explained his superhuman physical strength with basically "I dope myself".

Bruce Lee didn't use high kicks in a fight, he derided that specifically as only 'movie stuff'

Considering this is MU he probably did use em in a fight since literally every fighter in the universe seems o use em in one way or the other.

And? it's squirrel girl. The only wrong part is that Bendis failed at the joke by doing it on panel.

I love Danny but he's not even a very GOOD Iron Fist. Like we saw the rest were a lot better. Shang Chi vs the other Weapons? That's a fight. Shang v D isn't gonna be a victory for Danny. I bet Danny could beat up Spider-man tho for what that's worth.

Where do other martial artists like Elektra, Karnak, Black Panther come in? How about Daredevil himself?

He turned a guy in stone with his chi

well Shang Chi is master of kung fu

why would he add stuff from a Hollywood actor?

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user, this is page is by Bendis.

Elektra is a psychic ninja
Karnak's inhuman bloodline makes him simply physically better than normal humans, lord knows how many decades he spent training as a monk
BP is Captain America tier thanks to the Heart-Shaped Herb

Elektra is psychic?

Only one of them is The Master of Kung-Fu.

Chi is used by Daredevil and batman, none can use the iron fist. It's a special thing. Shang stomps iron fist anyway

While pretty much true. It also works for BP because we don't have him going from punching gods in one book to dealing with crooks in funny costumes in another.

Yes.