>In an interview with ScreenRant, del Toro was asked why it’s so hard for the most recent monster movie reboots to succeed like their 20th century counterparts.
>"I think that there is a postmodern attitude towards the genre that tries to disarm or disassemble the genre in a postmodern way and I think that when you approach characters with earnest love, it’s a lot less safe because you’re not above the material. You are high on your own supply and it’s easier to be ironic, so I think that’s part of it."
I can't disagree, I also would add this: Less is more. Bad horror films these days are a combination of CGI (usually not the best quality) plus everything is in-your-face and you see everything immediately. The best monsters always hide in the shadows most the time.
He's not wrong. I didn't see the shitty looking new King Kong for this reason, and it kept me from completely enjoying the new 'It' as well. Studios are just carrying this postmodern ironic snarkiness over from capeshit and trying to use it all across the board because it's easy.
Jason Morris
>le postmodern is bad le sort yourself out wow who knew he was actually such a dipshit
Isaac Ortiz
the problem is fear noone fears a liuttle indian bbitch oyu need big hard cocks to strike fear noadays
Aaron Harris
GIV MUMMY GF
Samuel Young
no
giv me mumy pusy
Jose Brown
>Defending postmodern thought
Found the soyboy
Liam Watson
all dirty and slimey
Landon Williams
what the fuck does that even mean
Aaron Thompson
>Indian
Shes North African you retard
Henry Hernandez
Based giv posters!
Connor Watson
I can't disagree either. Just take a look at any of the attempts to re-launch the universal monster films. Dracula attempted to make him some kind of fucking tragic action hero. Frankenstein, ditto. The Mummy tried to make her a waifu. There always has to be a twist, a little nudge that says "we're not JUST making a DUMB monster movie, but-"
Aaron Nelson
only the mouse shuld do reboots
Daniel Reyes
It means most modern filmmakers gotta use the story to tell some SJW bullshit or they feel nervous about using classic horror tropes so they try to do everything opposite which of course leads to total failure
Samuel Young
>these digs Only our mummyfu princess Ahmanet could make them happen. Also, mummy (1932) was more of a gothic romantic story, involving a monster who wasn't really a monster. Moreover, many mummy novels and stories written between XIX and XX century used, now rather forgotten, "Seductive Mummy" trope.
Benjamin Garcia
good digits for a good post, he's right, it's risky to make a genuine monster movie part of it also seems to be that audiences are too cynical for straight monster movies. The awe, fear, wonder, whatever you want to call it, has been sucked out of movies through oversaturation. Now every flick is constantly reminding you "heh its a movie get it" and it just destroys the thing.
Evan Davis
too much dishonesty
Grayson Mitchell
Wankers shouldn't think themselves more clever than they actually are.
Lincoln Reed
It means that no one wants to put their skin in the game. Monster flicks, comic book films - they're all "dorky" and "lesser". It's subject matter for kids. So to save ego, and to tell the public HEY IT'S OK TO WATCH THIS, you deconstruct.
Levi Bell
Too many faggots trying to make a name for themselves with their oh so great and deep twists on classic characters. You can smell the smug whenever one of these people are interviewed how they try to talk about the finer nuances of the characters and then the movie releases and its like a 4/10 piece of shit.
Asher Cox
>mummy novels and stories written between XIX and XX century Could you recommend a few? I'm familiar with vampire fiction, and even werewolf fiction to an extent, but I am almost entirely ignorant of mummy fiction in literature.
Jose Diaz
i will be the one to simply say it inb4 Sup Forums these movies are just too "jewish" european sensibility is so much more earnest and romantic but it's obviously not in control or in vogue so it's all but vanished
jews control hollywood jews love deconstruction and subversion and nitpicky ironic sarcastic stuff whites like grandiosity and heartfelt spectacle, archetypes and true human passion
now watch me get banned
Parker Harris
I always wanted to see an actual scary mummy film.
Funny enough the Brendan Fraser Mummy film was actually pretty tense and scary right up until the mummy itself comes alive where the film becomes an adventure-comedy plot at that point.
I remember walking through the mummy ride que at universal studios, you are in a dark abandoned underground mummy crypt, you see abandoned archaeological equipment everywhere, like the archaeologists disappeared or abandoned the dig, you see mummy sarcophagus' with outward-blown holes like the creature inside punched itself out, and the speakers play spooky sounds in the shadows
The idea of archaeologists in a dark underground ruin with a mummy hunting them in the shadows would be so goat
Hudson Murphy
Because only capeshit and ghost movies sell
Roasties only like ghosts and demons, or very maybe, Saw clones. They see a real monster and be like "Ummm sweetie that's not realistic, hmm, like demons, cause I know those be real, but real monster are, hmmm, fake, are people like stupid, haha?"
Chase Bailey
You do realize most the founders of movie studios in the 1910's and 20's were Jewish right? You can't complain everything has gone Jewish now, since it has always been Jewish
Asher Hernandez
what if mummyfu fucked you in her degraded not fully recovered state from the middle of the movie and around her pussy she was missing flesh like on her nose and cheek and you could see your dick going in and out of her silky rotten insides
that would be soooo gross huh guys haha
Hudson Long
>The Mummy tried to make her a waifu. No, she was a stronk womyn who slays the shitty men. They even made her look ugly, like Gwyneth in Thor:R.
If she was actually hot the movie would have been less of a flop
Hunter Hill
adaptations of old campy horror all fall into the same trap that has resulted in the stagnant "blockbuster" film industry we see today which has basically been reduced to gritty reboot or superhero movie
Kevin Jones
>Moreover, many mummy novels and stories written between XIX and XX century used, now rather forgotten, "Seductive Mummy" trope The Brandon Fraser movies didn't
Liam Adams
they were involved since the beginning yes but their influence and control is now absolute
Joseph Rogers
She was super fucking hot, actually, dude.
And The Mummy had some great scenes, to be honest. The whole psychic mindfuck invasion aspect of this scene, too. And presenting herself in a completely sympathetic way, thanking him. And that's like the basis for her connection with him. I liked it.
but I like monster girls (cause the monster is on the outside)
Michael Bailey
You were saying?
Jayden Morris
mummy horny michael
Nathan Cox
>Guillermo del Toro Thinks
Not enough
Chase Garcia
>She was super fucking hot, actually, dude. You only think that because the media tells you women like her are beautiful.
>mindfuck scenes Like your webm? That was pathetic
Did you start watching flicks last year?
Zachary Bailey
Funny how any woman can look Egyptian with just giving them that eyeliner
Nolan Wright
She's not a mummy you cunt
Mason Murphy
If you watched the movie she actually became one later in the movie
Ethan Gray
If YOU actually watched the movie you would know being mummified doesn't make you a mummy. She was just a prisoner ya cunt. Clean your room.
Levi Miller
It's kinda hypocritical that it is coming from guy that turn Evangelion in to fuckin Pacific Rim
Nathan Harris
there was nothing ironic about the new IT though
Ryan Martin
you mean the Jews? yeah I'm a virulent anti-semite and white supremacist and I wouldn't have children with Sofia but I think she's pretty beautiful, and not because any Jews told me to. Also I mean a mindfuck in the sense of it being Tom being mentally invaded by her.
Grayson Sanchez
There was nothing post modern or ironic about pacific rim though. It was 100% pure earnestness. Which was probably it's saving grace.
Oh boy I can't wait for the sequel to be exactly the opposite
WUR REDY
Nolan Torres
She awakens later and is a walking undead mummy, you dunce
Thomas Ward
IT was a sincere adaptation. The only fault of the film is that it wasn't edgy enough. There was next to 0 racial and sexual violence.
Brayden Collins
stop being ironic
Adrian Morris
I was talking about novels written between 1800s and 1900s not Indiana Jones ripoff movie. >tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SeductiveMummy Sadly not many there. I would recommend only Bram Stoker - "Jewel of Seven Stars" and damn be forgot author, title is "The Unseen Man Story" and its from like 1890s.
Asher Smith
Guillermo is talking about an ironic attitude, not literal irony, and the new IT movie had plenty of that, winking at the audience to remind them it's just a movie, because the filmmakers want to hide their lack of creative confidence behind a "cool" facade.
Zachary Evans
You're so fucking stupid. She's not a mummy.
Grayson Lee
This. Make a movie about a muscly tall black nympho guy with a 12 inch cock. He goes around picking up white woman who have a wholesome marriage with kids but that cant resist when they see the bulge in his pants.
People will be so terrified of this movie they will be scared to go watch it. Have all the aesthetic and cinematography use horror lighting editing sounds etc..
Jonathan Myers
But PR is not Eva but a kaiju movie with robutts. A decent one at that.
Juan Gray
It was not wholly sincere, the rock fight in particular comes to mind, but there were plenty of quippy and wall-breaking moments throughout.
Kevin Hill
Fourth-wall-breaking**
Isaac Williams
not that user, but she is. She was mummified alive as her punishment, the bad-guy priest mummy was trying to fully resurrect her
Noah Myers
>drooling retard At least shut up when you are rightfully shown to be wrong and put in your place.
Thomas James
She is. Whole story is about high priest Imhotep trying to resurrect his girl. As every wealthy Egyptian, she has been mummified. Imhotep steals her mummy to bring her to life, but is interrupted by pharaohs guards.
Leo Cox
You have literally no idea what you're talking about. Did you even watch the movie?
Thomas Fisher
You really should watch movies before commenting on them
John Lopez
He’s not wrong, but conversely, del Toro “monster flicks” are too high-brow, fanciful, artsy, pretentious, and up their own ass to work. They lose any and all horror aspects. They aren’t scary.
Cameron Peterson
It was called Get Out, it made 100 million worldwide
Luis Rivera
...
Wyatt Stewart
Yeah.
Sebastian Morales
do you have a dog in this fight? why get so vicious with me? i haven't said anything outlandish or false
Matthew Rogers
...
Jason Wood
>do you have a dog in this fight? go to bed mel, it's like 11 on the west coast
James Johnson
It's shitty CGI (It looks like garbage), boring music, jumpscares, complete lack of atmosphere. Horror films were the best in the 70s.
It's baffling how unscary is the new It. Even people who liked the movie liked it because of the kids and their relationship.
Benjamin Clark
go tell that to /lit/ DFW, they need it worse than Sup Forums does
Show me a horror movie opening more scary than that
Asher Martinez
Sup Forums's biggest Mummy enthusiast here, AMA. Will answer and explain everything.
Indeed. >Bram Stoker (Dracula guy) "Jewel of Seven Stars" >Jane Loudon "The Mummy" >Edgar Allan Poe - "Some Words With Mummy" >Julian Hawthorne - "The Unseen Man Story" >Henrietta Dorothy Everett - "Iras" These should be good. Mummy in fiction is very very rare compared to vampires. Brendan Fraser "Mummy" is loose reboot/remake of 1940 "The Mummys Hand", not 1932 "The Mummy" It takes a lot of Indiana Jones feeling, but adds more comedic tone. Check older mummy movies for 'horror' tones. She was supposed to be more human and seductive, audience should root for her. She dies and is mummified. Every rich Egyptian was mummified. Being mummified makes you a mummy - mummy is dried, well perserved body. Mummification process is all about removing internal organs (apart heart) and drying body to keep it from decaying.
Nicholas Gutierrez
Any mummy vagina shots in cinema?
Mason Morris
>postmodern Did someone say Bauhaus?
Jaxon Bennett
Del Toro used Get Out as an example of an earnest horror film that doesn’t follow the trend of being ironic. What are the “post-modern” horror/monster movies that he is referring to?
Charles Ramirez
Not really, but "Blood from Mummys Tomb" 1971 got underboob shot.
Anthony Hernandez
He's right on the money.
Isaiah Cox
>Del Toro used Get Out as an example of an earnest horror film that doesn’t follow the trend of being ironic Really? Lol, what a retard
Jaxson Scott
Bauhaus is modernist and 100% honest, so I don't know what is he raving about.
Wyatt Perry
nice nice and sexy post more mummy belly mmm
Noah Cooper
Why everyone compares new movie to 1999 one? They said it many times, it's totally new take. Even in 1st seconds You get a HUGE QUOTE from original 1932. Pic-Related.
Matthew Bennett
>The awe, fear, wonder, whatever you want to call it, has been sucked out of movies through oversaturation. Sad because a Mummy movie would have been a good opportunity for some gruesome deaths.
Christopher Morris
>I think that when you approach characters with earnest love, it’s a lot less safe because you’re not above the material. You are high on your own supply and it’s easier to be ironic, so I think that’s part of it. But then you have ambivalent things like Jordan Peele nailing it and making it not ironic, but reflexive. And he’s a fusion of reverence and intelligence. It’s a good year for the genre for sure
Kayden Barnes
Battle Angel Alita's going to blow.
Isaac Hill
>get out >you have ambivalent things like Jordan Peele nailing it and making it not ironic, but reflexive. And he’s a fusion of reverence and intelligence. really sounds fucking pretentious
Hunter Harris
>5,000 year old lick somehow very arousing
James Sullivan
>Being mummified makes you a mummy - mummy is dried, well perserved body. Mummification process is all about removing internal organs (apart heart) and drying body to keep it from decaying. I thought about that when I saw nu-mummy. They said she was mummified alive but in reality she was just wrapped in bandages and buried alive. They could at least have shown some brain scrambling.
Camden Young
>They could at least have shown some brain scrambling.
She is a woman so that would be literal rape
Matthew Rodriguez
Not really gruesome. Almost always mummy kills by strangling people. In 1932 mummy kills by magic of something, but all later movies is't just strangling people to death. Only 3000-3500 YO. In movie it's stated New Kingdom, which was around 1500-1070BC Mummification alive is technically impossible and it was created for 1932 movie, then repeated for decades. They probably though it gonna sound creepy.
Sebastian Ross
you mean who knew he was actually this based
William Price
He thinks people who make horror films spend too much time metaphorically winking at the audience to show them that they're above the genre in some way. Started very broadly with Scream, and then continued in some form or another with Cabin in the Woods.
It's hard to make a legitimately scary movie when you essentially have a disdain for what scary movies of the past did effectively to entertain people. They try so hard to subvert tropes that it messes with the movie. It detaches you from the subject matter in a way where you aren't authentically telling a story, but rather you're inserting jokes about teens getting killed while they go off to have sex or whatever.
Isaac Hall
i would have respected this opinion more if he didnt use get out as an example
Colton Roberts
Mummy deaths don't have to come from the Mummy itself killing people. You can have things like the scarabs of the Brendan Frasier movies. Those were wicked.
Austin Lewis
CGI and shitty music are the biggest problems of modern horrors (or maybe even modern films). >haha, we have CGI, we can now do everything >make a shitty video game >haha, we have Zimmer, we can do everything! >make shitty Zimmersque music Planet of the Apes (1968) have a more scary atmosphere and soundtrack than all modern horror movies.
>Mummification alive is technically impossible and it was created for 1932 movie Well, I mean they could start the mummification process when a person is alive, but they would die pretty quickly. So you could say they would have been mummified alive that way.
Or, seeing as at least in nu-mummies case she's some sort of evil god that can't easily die, they could have had this really neat horrifying mummification scene of her organs getting removed and shit while she screams in agony(in fact didn't they have at least some creepy tongue cutting in Brendan's Mummy?). That would have been pretty haunting and freaky. But no, gotta have PG-13 wacky cartoon Hyde.
Liam Nguyen
You watch old movies, we get it. Jeez
Tyler Flores
I'm not sure the word "ironic" is the right word.
Most horror movies aren't really horrific, they tend to be "creepy" and metaphorical rather than actually striking terror into the viewer. It doesnt help that people try and lower the horror.
>The Thing >first horror scene is straight up a dog getting mauled and screaming and bleeding and oozing and tentacles whipping around
>It Follows >first horror scene I can remember is the person following the girl and boy in the parking garage
>Nu The Thing >practical effects were deemed too scary, so they went cgi
Cooper Anderson
>I only watch quality films like the Force Awakens and the newest Marvel flick!!!
Joshua Sanders
its obvious hollywood ran out of ideas so they just recycling from other movies now its nothing but pure easy propaganda and fun dumb blockbuster movie
Jose Ramirez
>“You have ambivalent things, like Jordan Peele nailing it [with Get Out] and making it not ironic, but reflexive. And he’s a fusion of reverence and intelligence,” del Toro added.
I think he’s saying that instead of Get Out being a film that’s ironic and making fun of genre tropes, it just goes with it. The movie has comedic elements but is never Scream or Cabin in the Woods style of genre parody. The film is conscious of the fact that it’s covering old territory (Stepford Wives, Body Snatchers) but instead of making fun of where it comes from, it pays homage and uses these familiar elements in a new context. But I could be wrong, his comment is frustratingly vague.
