Welp, another one into the garbage. Rather than make a thread just to bitch about this, though, how about a thread about moments like this in general?
Those moments where a comic or cartoon you were watching/reading decided to thrust some shitty ideology or another right into the spotlight, completely turning you off.
Just reading that was painful.
'member sinfest
See I think this stuff is stupid but I honestly don't care enough about it to get angry or upset.
I just don't give a shit.
If it becomes a big thing in the comic going forward then I can see why you'd be upset. But if it's one page who gives a fuck? Getting furious about it is honestly about as bad as a tumblrina getting furious about some comic saying there can only be two genders or something.
The Op pic is dumb because Paranatural has shit pacing as is, and spending an entire page of a character coming up with a stupid backstory justification for a character's choice of pronouns (which is but the latest in a long line of pointless SJW throws for a dying webcomic) is just retarded.
But nothing compares to the SJW swan dive that Sinfest makes. The Walkyverse is SJW trash, but it's just preachy, and has a warped sense of justice. I get the feeling that the writer of Sinfest doesn't even understand social justice.
Paranatural moves at a glacier's pace as is. Yet rather than take a break, speed up the pace, or just fucking get on with the main plot Zack wastes a whole page going on this stupid tangent.
That's why this sucks.
>Sup Forums is so upset by this, they have to make 3 separate threads to discuss it
wew lads
I've actually been wondering it's just been a long term joke
Let me guess, shitty ideologies means ideologies you don't agree with, don't they?
it sounds like a joke to me but I take most things as a joke
>little kid goes to some weird rock concert about gender issues
>comes back armed with KNOWLEDGE and a love of RAWK and or ROLL
>now uses neutral pronouns because they're just an impressionable kid
Are you actually upset?
Or just making a thread cause you think it is fun to complain?
I don't even give a fuck about the story anymore.
I got into this because it was full of great jokes and pretty good art.
Now it's wacky faces, pastel backgrounds, and washed-out colors.
It's time to take it off the bookmarks, I guess.
The best thing you can do for yourself user is just taking this out of your bookmarks and coming back to it in a year when Chapter 5 is over.
Sooner or later either this comic dies, gets good again, or becomes so shit that you don't have to feel bad about hating what it's become.
>you become nonbinary when someone hits you in the face with an old Prince brochure
What deadly serious ideological argumentation were dealing with here.
Although everything from DC was shitty well before this moment
>It's okay to punch a person that's tied and bound in the jaw.
Is using nonbinary pronouns really an ideology? Ain't it more of like a personal expressive choice like getting a haircut or something?
Don't try to argue with bait threads.
The concept of a person being "nonbinary" is inherently retarded.
The ideology is that gender identity is a personal expresssive choice like getting a haircut, and is almost completely orthogonal to biology.
But my gender identity is a strawman!
It's okay to punch for any reason in cape books though.
>Those moments where a comic or cartoon you were watching/reading decided to thrust some obvious satire
Fixed.
>says despite Zack already having made a mini chapter in the middle of an, already slow, chapter for no reason other than to show case a lesbain date between a black and a muslim
kek
Thinking non binary is a legitimate concept is indicative of certain ideology, yes.
It's so you can get sympathy points without having to do much.
It's just being kind of androgynous without any nasty hormones or work.
We live in a Special Snowflake arms race, where the specialist wins
Panel 1:
>Do you think you could ask your ringwraith friend to curb his bloodlust? For soon I will die.
Panel 2:
>Sure, we're cool. Also, RJ goes by "they" and "them". They's nonbinary.
>RJ: I'm too cool for a single gender.
There. Condensed a page's worth of explanation into two panels. Make the rest of the page story-related.
Zack, you're not Tite Kubo. You don't need to go into the backstories of every single character while moving tangential to the main plot.
Better yet, don't throw stupid SJW shit into any comic.
How does going to a metal concert turn one non-binary?
My cousin went to a Twenty one pilots concert once and now [s]she[/s] he now changed his name. So it seems like a theme.
^wtf did i just reply to my own reply in the same reply?
I think im becomeing autismohelp pls
tumblr is whispering in my earhelp
Nah, SJW shit is fine as long as you don't beat your audience to death with it. The character bios showed that RJ was nonbinary for years and nobody cared.
Wouldn't non-binary be considered a generalist?
Better yet, don't act like people thinking "taboo" thoughts is some sort of war on you personally.
I really used to like Sinfest. Then it turned to SJW garbage.
Why would you ever have to label yourself as such in the first place? There's absolutely no reason other than to try to incite the feeling of being special.
>Is using nonbinary pronouns really an ideology?
No, but loathing people who do it is, and a key part of that ideology is to create a forced equivalence between them and whatever new point of view they're trying to annihilate this week. If they hypocritically present points of view as meaningless personal preference, as trivial as ice cream flavors, they can act oppressed whenever someone says that their POV is wrong or a different POV is right, and not have to consider the idea of a different POV actually being right.
>Welp, another one into the garbage. Rather than make a thread just to bitch about this, though, how about a thread about moments like this in general?
So you're mad that the secretive purposefully androgynous person has a reason to be secretive and purposefully androgynous, instead of falling victim to any number of tropes or cliches behind mystery characters of unknown gender
Who gives a shit what you think
>as trivial as ice cream flavors
>I think ice cream should only come in vanilla and butter pecan
>but there are people who feel otherwise, why enforce your viewpoint on others and tell them they are wrong?
>Have you ever considered that you were wrong? No, you haven't
People are literally raised to think your way, so the notion that they haven't considered that is kinda shortsighted
Good thing I said nothing of the sort then.
You're probably alluding to something vastly different from ice cream flavors which, unlike your false equivalence, is disapproved of for an actual reason.
>Good thing I said nothing of the sort then.
You didn't? Sorry, I'll check again.
Nope, your post is still there.
I wasn't the one who originally compared nonbinary pronouns and genders to ice cream flavors
But my subsequent point still stands
Never said it was a "war on my personality" it's just annoying.
>I wasn't the one who originally compared nonbinary pronouns and genders to ice cream flavors
Yes you were. I said they weren't the same. You lied that they were.
>But my subsequent point still stands
No it doesn't. Your point is to pretend that things are meaningless personal preference and nothing else so that no one can call your side "wrong".
You didn't? Sorry, I'll check again.
>SJW
Nope, your post is still there.
Oh, I get it now.
That entire page looked like it was a joke. The hell is the problem here?
>I think ice cream should only come in vanilla and butter pecan
But that's correct. All other flavors are degenerate.
Spending a whole page on a 'joke' when the series moves at the speed of "one page a week, if you're lucky".
Also, if you think it's a joke, check the author's twitter, he's pissed right now.
For the longest time, I thought it was some kind of ironic joke.
What's he pissed about?
I think the problem is supposed to be that it blatantly features sexual minorities. From what I've heard, the "correct" way to handle them is to quietly include them as background scenery without drawing any attention to them, such as mentioning it as a trivial footnote in their character profile. Having them in the foreground, directly acknowledging their sexual identity, or even having character development about how they deal with it, is bad because it's intrusive and shoves it in the audience's face. Apparently it's "pandering" or "virtue signaling" or something.
They had an epiphany about gender, and wear blackface as a symbol of that epiphany?
Well, the kid's right about irony.
yeah, given the circumstances it seems to be a joke about impressionable children latching onto things they vaguely know about? which makes it odd to me that apparently tumblr is giving this praise, for whatever reason? fuck if i know
Anything could look like a satirical attack to a sufficiently contemptuous reader.
Even if people actually believe it.
Even if the author actually believes it.
Even if the author's right.
It reminds me of that page from a recent Deadman story where something similar happens, although that page was kind of unintentionally funny because Deadman didn't really seem to give a shit.
>based cookies and cream is degenerate
>implying
The main problem is that Paranatural has been declining in quality for years now and dedicating an entire page to something like this is just another example of how horrendously slow and meandering the pacing has gotten
Zack is probably doing this to scare us off anyway
>pecan
Choclate and Strawberry deserve to live but Pecan sucks.
I will promise the saftey of Pecan and award it the status of HONOURARY NEAPOLITAN if you'll join our side.
MELT THE MINTS. ICE WAR NOW.
Someone needs to make a "When you are waiting for a joke to end but it's taking forever" pic out of sinfest.
Bumping for this question.
I also want to know what got his panties in a bunch.
>Write webcomic
>Most popular, reader-acclaimed arc features a cute little devil girl who falls in love with a human
>PSSSH FUCK THAT SHIT! SMASH THE PATRIARCHY!
>strawberry
We should just gas people like you.
>Mintposter detected
Don't you have a leg of lamb to be on?
This tweet is why I never read Paranatural despite my interest. No matter what you make going out of your way to try and make people not like it is a surefire way to fucking ruin it for everybody and be obnoxious while doing it. I'd probably find the OP page condescending as fuck were nonbinary swapped out for bisexual.
Not even getting into how stupidly out of touch you have to be about how Sup Forums's community works to pull the assumptions he has made out of his ass. It's like he got the entirety of how Sup Forums is from a fucking tumblr post.
>Sup Forums hates gay people right? Right.
>MELT THE MINTS
Mint chocolate chip, bro. I don't like many things that are as brisk as mint. Mint choco-chip is my only sticking point.
I can't believe how crappy the art has become.
I like how I can always see a PNat thread from the catalogue.
I recognize those bland, washed out Pastels anywhere.
Although, for a while, I did sometimes mistake Possy opossum threads for PNat
You've chosen to hate the entire series unilaterally, despite not reading any of it, because of a single joke that the author made.
Also, you find the joke offensive because you feel unfairly stereotyped by it, in a thread where the OP fits perfectly with his alleged bias.
Actually he as mention the tweet as well. I think having a good idea of an author's opinions as well as their willingness and openess about filling their otherwise unrelated work with them is fair grounds.
Early Pnat was best PNat. Good quiet author. Good art. Good writing.
Look at what we have now.
Where did I say I hated it user? I said that I never read it because of the author's mindset and intentions stepping forward with the comic, which is entirely reasonable as it would effect the comic in a way I'd dislike.
It's pretty childish of you to polarise everything like that user.
Also he wasn't joking: He had an entire twitter rant about it and how he wasn't standing up for what he believes in hard enough if people who browsed a website didn't like it.
One scoop rule, friend. Yes, I know choc mint is better, almost makes mint look good- but they're till MINT. We cannot abide the profaining of chocolate chips that might otherwise had lived happy lives with other, better flavours.
I like to imagine that the Issac body pillow was the turning point
The only reason the earlier chapters were so good was because they were introductory.
Zack can't handle pacing lots of plot points, because he wants to introduce lots of stuff, because he has lots of ideas.
Also, I think his fanbase is enabling him. Due to their retarded appetites, they treat PNat less as a story and more as a mine for reaction faces and new, wacky characters.
I know it's unpopular to say on Sup Forums now, but I'd strangle Tumblr in a heartbeat
>Didn't like it
liked it*
It's pretty sad if that's his goal. I thought an artist's goal was to make good art.
aaaaand I'm out.
I wouldn't even the say the pacing is that big an issue. The biggest killer was the art completely going down the drain. I could tolerate the bad pacing and even the tumblr pandering if the art had maintained or improved on its Chapter 3ish quality. Instead it went from good looking characters and vibrant colors to a nauseauting pastel bean face nightmare
Ava's Demons, for example. doesn't have the greatest story or pacing, but Sup Forums generally loves it because the art style is gorgeous.
How many years has it been since this character last appeared?
Good art comes second to letting people know how much of a good person you are if you're an egotistical jerk off.
Honestly the fact that he has a nonbinary character isn't even that much of an issue to me but knowing why he put them there is. It's pretty sad really.
Well, yeah, the art's a huge turn off for me too, although I liked the chapter 2 quality the best for whatever reason.
I was interested in the story, though, and it sucks that this chapter has frayed so badly in particular. People bitched about Ghost Train, but Ghost Train is Nothing compared to this.
Hell, I can't even fathom that this is the same chapter Hitball was in.
With something like Ava's Demon, I don't even read it, I just look at the sexy girls in the threads
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>It's pretty childish of you to polarise everything like that user.
It's pretty childish of you to "polarise" yourself against a comic so strongly, because of a single joke that offends you, that you refuse to even read it to confirm your judgement while still acting as if your judgement thoroughly applies to the entire comic. It doesn't matter whether you call it "hate" or not.
Polarise and polarize are both correct and accepted.
I'm not aligning myself against anything strongly, I'm just not reading it because the author's goals would go against my enjoyment. Choosing not to read something because you don't think you'll like it isn't being strongly against something. You're polarising again.
I went over how the tweet wasn't a joke in my post but you were too busy projecting a personality onto me to read it I guess.
I haven't even been acting as if it applies to the entire comic. In fact: I've said I had an interest in it, which implies that I rather like the look of the comic. I've been acting as if my judgement will apply to the comic in the future. Yet again, polarising.
This would not be something I could have read to confirm my judgement as it was the author stating his intentions before he did it. Believe it or not I can't read pages before the artist has even put them out user, I can't see the future. I can't see if his intentions spoiled his comic at any point from then until the point it finished. All I can do is look at his attitude, recognise it as a shitty, stupid and petty attitude that will harm his work regardless of his political persuasion and decide not to read it. I have no interest in getting invested in and enjoying a story only for it to turn fucking awful half way through because of the author's caustic views on creating art.
I forgot this was fun once
>impyling OP is even that angry or upset
>merely discussing the topic means you're mad
Hmm.
>Due to their retarded appetites, they treat PNat less as a story and more as a mine for reaction faces and new, wacky characters.
this
all they care about is "inclusion" of whatever oppressed minority there happens to be, they completely overlook the shittiness of it all because Zack panders to them
Wow, that's a long rant.
Well, if you want to judge an entire comic without reading it, and actively refuse to read any of it because you ____ it so much (whatever you call your feelings), then it's certainly within your abilities to do so. I can see I'm not going to convince you otherwise, and there's not much point to trying.
Stop reminding me of better days, user.
It hurts so much to see such expressive, well drawn art devolve into the dreck we have now.
Sup man im gonna make a webcomic. Im a fantastic artist but I poorly express my political views and have an obnoxious personality. My webcomic is likely going to be decent for awhile but because similar webcomic artists fuck up there comic in shockingly similar ways that my behavior is now a red flag to people who seen how things went for the other webcomics will now avoid me and my comic.
Why're you trying to convince someone to read a comic?
It's OK user I understand. Reading is very, very hard. At least now I can understand why you like the comic, who cares about the content when you can just look at the pretty pictures?
I'll be sure not to address the points you raise in your posts in the future. That was very mean of me. Especially where I didn't fit into the neat little bubble you put me in, it was very rude of me to not fit your preconceived idea of why I wasn't reading. I should have just called you names without even reading your post at all. It would have been so much better of me.
>those panels were less than 24 hours ago in the comic
>it came out 3 years ago
Holy fuck this comic moves slowly
At first it was because his reasons for hating it were blatantly stupid, but then I realized there was nothing to gain from arguing. Even if he chose to give it a token readthrough to see if his prejudgement had any merit, he'd probably go out of his way to cherry-pick any examples of politics he could find, then come away even more smug and angry than he started.
You can stop trying to rationalize it now.
After the first reaction, and hell in that first thread, Hiveworks readers have hopped over into these threads to defend their husbando's comic's honour.
Seriously, you can stop now. You're not disproving anything I've said. It's clear that you've already made up your mind and no logic will get in the way, even if it comes from you.
>inb4 another angry rant about how angry you aren't
Okay, NOW I'm convinced that you're not hateful or polarised at all. No one with an us-versus-them mentality would type up a post like that. Sorry for judging you so harshly.
But irony is metal.
>Johnny dumbass justification for going the path where the plot is
It was so stupid but I love it.
what, the existence of me.?
Even when it goes back to the obvious Calvin and Hobbes strips, it still has that veneer of awkward feminist pandering.