So now that the dust has settled what are your thoughts on Superman Reborn? The reveal that Mxyzptlk was Clark Kent...

So now that the dust has settled what are your thoughts on Superman Reborn? The reveal that Mxyzptlk was Clark Kent, The reveal that New 52 Superman and Pre Flashpoint Superman are the same man split and the merger that followed?

I hate continuity clusterfucks, and if what the merging spread seemed to indicate this would bring continuity changes on the level that's basically full reboot, but without full reboot. You can't change Superman's history without basically changing all modern heroes history.

For the most part it seems Superman and those deeply associated with him got hit hardest with this continuity rewrite but for the rest of the Universe everything seems mostly the same, with a few differences that will apparently be addressed with like his relationship and history with Batman and Wonder Woman.

Was there ever an explanation for why they were split in the first place?

I think the implication was since Superdad wasn't in the timeline during Flashpoint it made the N52 version kind of fucky

But then Superbro wasn't split from him at all, rather a completely new being

It was kind of confusing. I think it's all meant to be a chilling metaphor for when the dad isn't in the picture.

It's all sorts of convoluted, but who's to say Superdad didn't get split during Flashpoint before he got abducted and the Superman we saw in Flashpoint wasn't Superbro?

The Superman story is the heart of the multiverse (Final Crisis) and each Earth has its own Superman.

It's why Earth-0 "healed" itself when the Supermen merged.

I'm not sure if even DC has all the details of when they were split or even how but we're all just gonna have to go with it.

Predictable and shit, like most of Rebirth.

I liked it since it cements Superbro as Superman and silences all the Superbro haters since they can't say Superdad is a more real Superman than Superbro anymore.

Well Superbro got all the Kal angst while superdad kept all the Kent wholesomeness so superbro was less of a superman.

Superdad was a more real Superman. The Superman split went to 10% Superbro and 90% to Superdad making him more Superman.

A clusterfuck. Superdad is a cliche. He is outdated. The trunkless suit is not going to make him any more relevant. The sum of Superman is he remains stagnant, relevant mostly to aging readers, hence the "dad" and disconnected to the upheaval of the times. They using 70ties and the 90ties to define a character in 2017. They have no details because they made it up as they go along. They give Superdad fans half assed crap and ya'll lapping it up so desperate to have this old guy back you don't care about good cohesive story. Rebirth is DC at its lowest point I think creative wise.

t. Bendis

t. Nick Spencer

Maybe I'm retarded but I don't get any of this. Are there going to be major changes to the Rebirth books here after this issue? Will Booster come back into the main story?

Bring booster back 2017

That doesn't make any sense it was a 50 50 deal at best.

But Kal is just as much as a Superman as Kent is since they're one in the same.

>hence the "dad"
made me kek

For Wondy It'll just be the same reasons as its always been. Attraction is there but they are just to similar for it to work.

If Superman merged, doesn't that mean the ten years taken away have been readded?

I mean Jon can't have been born and raised in five-six years time, but he could if you add another ten years to the mix.

REAL QUESTION

Did he have Jon before the split or is Jon the son of half a Superman?

I just want an explanation on how a universe was created after convergence and have a Superman who was OUT of said universe be half of a Superman who was created WITH the universe. How the fuck does that work? How does a Superman have an entire life lived in another universe apart from the "new" continuity then is miraculously half of the new continuity's Superman without us or anyone fucking knowing? HOW DOES IT WORK!? Someone who's smarter give me a plausible scenario that isn't hijinks and asspulls, are we manga now?

but we already have a Green lantern book

all supermans are supermans. given the right circumstances you could merge any combinations of them together to make a complete and whole new superman

I keked

The 10 years were already there. They arrived right after Jon was born and he grew up only in the New 52.

It hasn't been clear when this split happened. According to the new timeline Jon was born after Death & Rebirth, so he was affected by these changes too.

It was said that they were two halves of a whole though right?

I'm somewhat confused as to how this whole split thing works out with the fact that Superman and his family were refugees from the old reality that survived flashpoint during that thing with Braniac or whatnot. I mean that was specifically superdad's origin. When did he get split? or has that been retconned?

We don't actually know when the split happened. But, yes, before the fusion, Convergence was always Super Dad's origin and wasn't retconned.

is it possible that manhattan split superman in two despite convergence? but since superdad is very much the superman everyone knows and loves personalitywise, nobody really noticed? so it's something more like superbro was split off from Superman to fill the void, and not a clean split?

But that's not the case with Superdad and Superbro since they're the same person split we just don't know when the split could have occurred.

How do you split someone in half but not split then in half completely?

Johns is the Bendis of DC.

But he is.

I mean, he will be the one left.

Both shit nu52 Supes and Lois have been overwritten.

I'm hype AF.

as far as aspects of personality goes I guess. Superdad is still the 80% or so, and superbro was the 10 percent.

Manhattan, ain't gotta explain shit

checked, famalam

I mean 20 percent

i dun math so gud

I have a feeling it will be explained when Dr Manhattan finally reveals himself and explains his actions.

>I mean, he will be the one left.
His past will have Superbro elements written into it. The only reason Superman is still a dad is so they can explore Jon's character more in Supersons and other teamups. Don't think for a moment that this will actually last.

It was the only logical resolution and in that sense I don't mind it.

But the actual story wasn't interesting and it was needlessly decompressed. I just don't really want to talk about it anymore.

There's a few solid theories but no, they haven't explicitly said why he was split up after Flashpoint

I really like that, but honestly I think you're reaching, I doubt it was that thought out

Superbro was already basically acting the same as a less paranoid Superdad at least the past 5 years. No real personality difference.

All I care about is that Tomasi & Gleason keep killing it on the main book.

Tomasi & Gleason i want both for batman books.

Hack shit

Eh, I thought I did too but Tomasi writes hopeful characters so much better

As if the batline isn't bad enough...

I'm hoping Convergence itself was caused by the person who manufactured the split in order to store the blue half.

Like the Time Trapper learned from his attempt at the pocket dimension thing and decided to change it up a little

>Tomasi A thousand times better than King or Scott

He's only really good at children. His Jon is good enough to mask how poorly he's still writing Superman to this point. Whether -bro or -dad it's been several years now and he clearly just doesn't get the guy all that well. His -dad was better than his -bro but it's still not really good.

>-bro
bro Was bad because of the wonderwoman teen drama..
Tomasi Writes a good daddy bruce..
Scott snyder can not write dad bruce He says he is incapable of it
Tomasi .s perfect for bruce :D

Batman and Robin
This comic was the epitome of why I always have liked the Batman titles so much. Except for the rare moments when the writers attempt to make Bruce overly "dark and edgy" by having him be a jerk, he is, in general, one of the most caring and good characters in the DC Universe. He can be dark and brooding and so forth, yes. He is also kind-hearted, and genuinely cares about his fellow man and his family. He is, in fact, one of the few prominent DC heroes who has raised children, and is known to be good with children in general.

Even when he wrote Superbro's death arc he wasn't that great at him.

I'd mostly be fine with him going back to the Batbooks. But Dick is Damian's actual father and that Bruce stuff was forced to me.

but Tomasi Like Dick.He has also written old Dick comics .>Bruce stuff was forced to me.
The comic has shown that he is loves damian.
Besides, Dami can have two fathers :)

I guess my problem is mostly that the relationship with Bruce was played up, but he completely ignores Dick's involvement. Like he has spoken in interviews about his own role as a father influencing the work and I think that causes him to self-insert his "normal" family dynamic rather than being true to the characters' experiences.

>Time Trapper learned
But is it Prime Trapper though?!

could just be Manhattan at this rate

Horribly rushed and raised more questions than it answered. I wish Multiplicity hadn't been truncated so they could rush Reborn out. At least that arc was fun.

Multiplicity was absolute trash and killed off a good character for no fucking reason.

Fuck now I'm mad again.

Jurgens is such a boring writers its painful

Could have been longer; more thought out.

For such heavy implications it did move rather quick.

How can one half be realer than the other? It's like splitting a bread roll in half and saying one half is real than the other when they're both the same bread.

I know. The arc could stand another two issues or so to really flesh things out.

>muh gay Flash
>good
I wish this meme would stop. Still that was time that could have been spent on fleshing out some of the other Supermen.

Think of it like percentages. Superbro was a different take on Superman but almost too different in the way he acted. I think people who liked Superbro are probably the kind of people a little more ok with Snyder's (Zack not Scott) portrayal of Superman than most Superdad fans would be.

Superman is allowed to change with the times and he certainly has done so over the last 80 years or whatever, but there is a core to the character that Superbro was lacking. Maybe that was the point, maybe it was an accident, or maybe DC thought it was giving "the public" what they wanted, an edgier Superman. But in the end, it just wasn't the right fit for the character.

TL/DR: I'm glad Superdad is back.

he was best boy, you cunt

I just wanted a story of Superbro maturing into a proper Superman. I don't understand why comics always have to go through these absolutely absurd convoluted nonsense stories when they can just write normal fucking character growth.

>I just wanted a story of Superbro maturing into a proper Superman.

They already wrote that, it was Morrison's run.

I don't understand the people who read like 2 issues and then assumed he didn't change from that point.

I don't think that's true. Even post-IC he wasn't really that consistent. Being a bitch about WW killing Max was fucking retarded and let's not even mention Grounded. The only advantage there is that he went several years being written by only like three writers (Johns, Busiek, Robinson) in the ongoings that he actually starred in.

Anyone who has a strict opinion probably only read ASS and maybe one or two of the Johns arcs.

Morrison's run was too meta to have any particularly good character development. Felt more like a showcase of the ages of Superman than the character actually growing

But he actually developed. You can easily see him change from the socialist crusader in the first page to the inspiring legend in the last.

The goal was definitely growth through the ages expressed as personal growth. But I guess whether he landed the execution is going to be subjective.

Like I said, it seemed too meta to credit to the actual character growing and not some weird literary evolution of the reader's understanding of him.
I generally don't like any of Morrison's work due to that same quality