Did Jesus deserve to be crucified?

Did Jesus deserve to be crucified?

He shitted himself. This the movie don't tell. Nor even the Bible.

How would you save Jesus, Sup Forums?

I wouldn't.

The purpose of his death was to provide salvation for man. That's kind of the whole point.

Gotta blame the Jews for something

Was Jesus an SJW against the Jews of that time?

You don't. He died to save YOU.

Jesus probably didn't exist at all. It's highly debatable.

Well, it was god's will

Fuck off josh

I mean it was his idea. He's omnipotent and all powerful, he could have just gotten rid of our sins without being such a dramatic bitch about it. OR better yet just not have given us sin in the first place instead of railroading us into sinning and sending 4000 years of civilization straight to hell for something you knew would happen and doing nothing to stop

*did nothing to stop

Probably not. He taught obedience to secular authorities, not rebellion.

His suffering absolves us all of ours.

So go out and murder people, I guess, because sin no longer exists.

Would he have been eventually crucified the same way if judas didn't betray him?

>"saving" an eternal being that resurrected himself anyway

There's more historical evidence of Jesus than Socrates, Alexander the Great, Archimedes, etc.

Yes, for fucking around in the temple marketplace in the days leading up to the holy feast

But none of the importance of what is attributed to them depends on their existence.

In this case, deserve doesn't factor into it.

It was necessary. Let us pray to him.

>Never actually studied Jesus' teachings or christianity in general

>If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine
Did Obi deserve it?

well, yeah

come on, man

The Catholic Church is a big pedophile ring worse than Hollywood desu

>no u wrong

instead of typing all of that, you could have just posted that you have absolutely no understanding or grasp of christian theology or concepts whatsoever. that would have been more efficient.

To be crucified by the rabble is every artist's deepest and most secret desire.

>He's omnipotent and all powerful
that the complete 180 of the idea of god becoming flesh you retard

Pretty sure there is a lot more historical evidence for Alexander
ie lots

Exactly, if Socrates was Plato, so what

>Make a train track that goes right into a river
>Force my oldest kids onto the train
>They fucking drown
>Blame my kids and keep sending more and more of my kids on the death train telling them it's the oldest kids fault because I told them not to get wet
>After like 10 dead kids I put on a mask and build a bridge
>Tell all my kids they should be thankful because I saved them from the river I was planning on drowning them in

He literally invented the system. He could have done it any fucking way he wanted because he controls reality but instead he made some retarded convoluted plan so we could jerk him off about how cool he is for saving us from himself

so thanks for proving my point

this is what pop atheism does to your brain kids

not an argument

You dont save Jesus. Jesus saves you.

>I know he created everything but it's not his fault that the things he made work the way he designed them

Same with Jesus, from a historical perspective. But for some reason, he's the one people have a chip on their shoulder about.

he started shit in the temple market before the holiest of days, of course he deserved to be crucified

>There's more historical evidence of Jesus than a person who minted coins with his name and face on them
This argument is so retarded

Who said I need saving?

how? I thought even some roman historians reference him

>being this fucking ignorant of the worlds all time best selling book

I was unsure if if I sure reply to such obvious bait but here goes. He didn't give us sin, he gave us free will and we decided to sin.

Who knew bill mahr posted on Sup Forums?

>gave retards free will
Is God retarded?
If so, did he gave himself free will to give retards free will?
That's pretty neat. And retarded.

God

there is 0 evidence of jesus outside of biblical text. Try again retard

*shoots you*

A what?

That's better than Socrates, which no one seems to be dubious of.

They should make another Jesus Christ Superstar using the Alice Cooper version of King Herod's song.

you're literally fucking retarded if you don't know that there are records of jesus historically. there are even mentions of his crucifixion by philosophers from the time period

>dies to save you from himself
>doesnt really die anyways

If he did something that justified his execution, the Church doesn't want you to know about it; must protect his innocent/godly image after all.

Socrates is mentioned in the Bible?

He preached heresy

He upset the Jews.

No really, that's it.

But he was the king of the jews?

He unironically started "the Church", and was killed by the Jews for doing so senpai

Free will doesn't exist to an omnipotent being. He knew exactly what would happen to each of us the second he created us. By choosing to create us in the way he did he chose to lead us toward sin.

If I choose to make a robot that starts fires 30% of the time I can't just look around and say "well I gave it a choice to not start fires" and expect people to be on my side when it burns down my house

Between the lines

why didn't Jesus just tell a moth to send the Eagles to his aid?

He was a radical terrorist
Imagine some uppity nigger coming along and claiming God was his absent father and that you should kneel before him
I'd have him hung from a tree with a pitchfork up his ass

Sure, I appreciate Jesus in the Petersonian sense, but most of his followers identify him as divinity.

Getting crucified was part of his plan so he could become a force ghost

The Plato version of the character or the Aristophanes version?

there literally isn't. please provide evidence of your claims, there is NO evidence outside of biblical texts, that's facts.

You mean getting caught was part of his plan?

No, he was litterally a perfect sinless person. Thats the whole point.

>litterally a perfect sinless person.
>born and died a Jew

He literally knew he was going to get betrayed and just sat around waiting to get caught.

is jesus being a jew somehow related to the germans wanting to exterminate them?

lol fukken christfags still getting shatted on by rational spektics

Except that Jesus preformed miracles to back up his claims

Did a commie Jew deserve to be crucified?

Yes

>being hebrew and being jewish is the same
retarded_wojak.png

how do you know?

Or perhaps he was wondering why would someone whip a man before nailing him to a cross

He promoted alcoholism by turning water into wine

>they're different because I don't want to admit I worship a dead kike on a stick

no

It would be extremely painful
>all muslims are arab

Imagine the shitstorm that would ensue if they uncovered evidence that Jesus sexually harassed people or something that tarnished his reputation. Literally the biggest scandal in history!

>#NotAllHebrews

there are no historical records of jesus, you daft prick

jesus? more penus
lol

The Jesus statues at church are pretty ripped, he must have had nice abs. Do you think any of the Roman soldiers took some special liberties with our Lord and Savior Sup Forums?

No.
That's the point.

As they took him from the cross
I, the centurion, took him in my arms-
the tough lean body
of a man no longer young,
beardless, breathless,
but well hung.

He was still warm.
While they prepared the tomb
I kept guard over him.
His mother and the Magdalen
had gone to fetch clean linen
to shroud his nakedness.

I was alone with him.
For the last time
I kissed his mouth. My tongue
found his, bitter with death.
I licked his wound-
the blood was harsh
For the last time
I laid my lips around the tip
of that great cock, the instrument
of our salvation, our eternal joy.
The shaft, still throbbed, anointed
with death's final ejaculation

I knew he'd had it off with other men-
with Herod's guards, with Pontius Pilate,
With John the Baptist, with Paul of Tarsus
with foxy Judas, a great kisser, with
the rest of the Twelve, together and apart.
He loved all men, body, soul and spirit. - even me.

So now I took off my uniform, and, naked,
lay together with him in his desolation,
caressing every shadow of his cooling flesh,
hugging him and trying to warm him back to life.
Slowly the fire in his thighs went out,
while I grew hotter with unearthly love.

It was the only way I knew to speak our love's proud name,
to tell him of my long devotion, my desire, my dread-
something we had never talked about. My spear, wet with blood,
his dear, broken body all open wounds,
and in each wound his side, his back,
his mouth - I came and came and came

as if each coming was my last.
And then the miracle possessed us.
I felt him enter into me, and fiercely spend
his spirit's finbal seed within my hole, my soul,
pulse upon pulse, unto the ends of the earth-
he crucified me with him into kingdom come.

-This is the passionate and blissful crucifixion
same-sex lovers suffer, patiently and gladly.
They inflict these loving injuries of joy and grace
one upon the other, till they dies of lust and pain
within the horny paradise of one another's limbs,
with one voice cry to heaven in a last divine release.

Then lie long together, peacefully entwined, with hope
of resurrection, as we did, on that green hill far away.
But before we rose again, they came and took him from me.
They knew not what we had done, but felt
no shame or anger. Rather they were glad for us,
and blessed us, as would he, who loved all men.

And after three long, lonely days, like years,
in which I roamed the gardens of my grief
seeking for him, my one friend who had gone from me,
he rose from sleep, at dawn, and showed himself to me before
all others. And took me to him with
the love that now forever dares to speak its name.