O5 original universe

So it has become apparent that the O5 are not the original X-men from earth 616, and actually the X-men pulled from a random universe that now doesn't have X-men. The O5 were originally from the MCU.

We don't know for sure, either time fixed itself or they are from another universe. Bunn actually makes use of continuity so he'll answer the question in his run if it doesn't get cancelled first.

It would be a cool little nod, and if they ever get the rights to the X-men back they just put them back.

> The O5 were originally from the MCU
Don't be retarded.

Just a dumb theory I know it's not true.

I'm glad this means 616 Iceman is not gay after all.

There's still hope left.


Jeans needs to die for brainwashing him to be gay

616 already came out

Brainwshed to

yawn

He is here he is queer get used to it.

They're from another world. So they reality displaced and time displaced.

Only namorita has a displaced version in the prime universe.

>O5
>O
>are not the originals
Marvel what in the fuck

this

hopefully someone will fix this gay shit already

Secret Wars probably twisted their timeline after it spat them back into the present so the past they're from doesn't exist anymore

Original team members/line up you autistic faggot. Goddamn, go choke on your tongue and die already.

So Xavier killed himself due to the depression of losing Jean?

...

Explain

Final issue of ANX. Hank finally found a way to bypass the 'block' that was stopping the O5 from being able to travel back in time.

He took the team back home to the 1960's to show them what the problem had been: they were already there, which is why history wasn't totally altered by them jumping to the future. They've been being reflected away from the past because reality doesn't accept two identical versions of them being in the same time frame.

The O5 are now unambiguously in the present day, forever.

Jesus-Phoenix-Christ.
How many fucking times does Marvel have to spoonfeed the explanation to you?

The ORIGINAL 616 was destroyed by this paradox.
It's gone.
Dead and nonexistent now.
Everyone in that old reality was erased from time and is dead.
Deader than Utau The Watcher, who first explained this.

When the O5 were timetravel-'napped by Old BlueBalls Beast FROM 616's PAST -that- history was destroyed by the paradox, thus that timeline was destroyed by the paradox, thus that universe was destroyed by the paradox, but as is always the motherfucking case WHENEVER there's a timetravel story:
the timetravel created an alternate reality timeline for the time-travelers to land in at the end of the trip.
That timeline/reality created by this trip was the new 616 that replaced the empty hole where the last one was, at least before that one was also destroyed and then replaced in the events of SecretWars3.
Those Original Five and Old Blue Beast are the lone survivors of the original 616 Universe,
BUT the new universe created in it's place was born of the original timeline/reality, with all but these six characters being identical to the previous timeline/reality as of the point Old Beast turned on the time machine.
If past 616 Iceman was gay before the timetravel happened, then the Iceman in the copy universe is also gay before and after the timetravel, because he's an exact copy of the original, just like the rest of the universe is the same but for there being these time-travelers appearing in it one day.

Don't bother telling op or any of the dumb asses that replied to him

It's gotten to the point where they are actually demanding the erasing of 55 years of Marvel canon in order to justify denying one homosexual existence.
One guy keeps trying to sell the notion that Marvel would be a success if they pulled a 52' like DC did.
I shouldn't even have to explain how I know that guy doesn't read comics.

Not one of these asshats cared one bit about Iceman in all the years where he wasn't even in X-Men stories but now that he's out of the closet their entire world is in chaos.
Please...

Why would someone brainwash him to yawn? That's a bit silly. Did the hypnotist just get to the, "You are feeling sleep, very sleep," part and then forget the rest?

This is wrong. They are explicitly the 616 characters, now stuck in present day 616 thanks to a paradox.

No parallel worlds, no alternate reality.

THEN WHO WAS KIDNAP?

But old, senile Kitty said it in the whimsical doodle page!

All time-travel stories are alternate reality stories.
Remember Days-of-Future-Past?
Comics or movie, it's the same... the future you traveled from isn't the future of your reality anymore.
But in the comic version of DoFP that future still existed as an alternate timeline complete with a history where no time-traveler showed up to save the future.
In Marvel canon the way to make an alternate reality is to time-travel, remember Age-of-Apocalypse?
That timeline reality was made by Legion time-traveling back to kill a young Magneto but killing a young Xavier instead.
Then, in the AoA Universe, they sent back a time-traveler to stop Legion from doing that, recreating the 616 Universe...
... but the AoA Universe still exists, interdimensional travel between these two worlds happened many times in stories.

The paradox difference between Legion killing a young Xavier and the O5 abandoning their place in history is that Legion couldn't exist without his father living (so Legion was destroyed) and that there couldn't be a timeline where an older Hank ever time-traveled if the O5 abandoned their place in history.
(so that timeline where an older Hank time-traveled was destroyed)
The O5 still exist because they are displaced from time's normal effects by the time-travel, just as the AoA Universe still exists because the time-traveler they sent back created a new 616 Universe that had no link to the AoA Universe's history.

My favorite scene about this is when that Celestial magic mirror made Hank a Celestial-tier super-genius in that "Black Vortex" crossover.
He was finally able to comprehend what happened and then fell into despair at what he had done.
They kept saying he had "broken time", this is what that means: the original 616 reality has been erased and there's no getting it back.
That's what was freaking Hank out so much.

>Iceman character development sticking

Okay, I want to buy this, but there's one issue I don't quite get with how Time is reacting with the alteration.
What are the rules that say an entire existence is arbitrarily wiped out because 5 people were removed and placed forward? In the grand scope of things, an entire existence is like... everything. Trillions upon Trillions of people on nearly infinite worlds, out there... everywhere... and 5 people being yanked ends everything for all of them.
Yes, I get that a brand new nearly identical timeline and existence is created with the act. I understand nothing is 'missing'. It just feels absurdly sloppy that a mere mortal man using technology could have this unimaginably massive scope of change that entities far greater than Celestials would be loathe to attempt.

>... but the AoA Universe still exists
It actually got destroyed at the end of the Exiles-Treme X-Men run in a cross-over with the then still running Age of Apocalypse comic.
Can't remember what happened but it got flooded to the brim by interdimensional demons or some such shit.

>So it has become apparent that the O5 are not the original X-men from earth 616
>Iceman 616 still gay as fuck

It's not the five people that's important, if it was then any time five people time traveled it would destroy universes, the damage is caused by the paradox.
When Legion killed his own father before he was ever conceived the paradox there erased Legion because he shouldn't exist in a timeline where his father never fathered him.
Here, the O5 have to exist in order for them to fight among themselves and make an angry future Beast jump in a time machine, because without the O5 living out their original lives there's no angry irresponsible FutureBeast with a time machine.
Because the future's Beast had returned home to the future the universe can't just erase the time traveler in order to heal the timeline in this instance - FutureBeast belonged in the future, erasing him wouldn't heal any paradox inconsistency.
It also couldn't just erase the O5 in order to heal itself because they need to exist in order to create the future that created the circumstances for this time travel.
So what had to be erased was the entire history that created the paradox, leaving the time-travelers in a future disconnected from the past they had previously existed in.
In effect, Hank(A) from Universe(A) jumped in the time machine and traveled back to the past of Universe(A), there he essentially kidnapped his past self, Hank(a), and jumped in the time machine.
But now there's no future in Universe(A) where Hank(A) jumped in the time machine because Hank(a) was kidnapped by timetravel, and couldn't become Hank(A), that paradox destroyed Universe(A). A second universe, Universe(B) was created in it's place, one identical to Universe(A) in every aspect from before Hank(A) jumped in the time machine, that way there's no paradox if Hank(A) and Hank(a) to both arrive together in the future, because it's Universe(B) and they're from Universe(A).

Dude, this is still as confusing as all fuck. Like Cable doing his family tree kind of confusing.

wait a minute if they are from another dimension, then how is bobby gay? or are all iceman in all dimensions gay?

I thought that Hank's bringing them to thr present was just the straw that broke the camel's back sort of thing and not the primary cause of reality having to reset.

Like, the Phoenix Five, Galactus trying to eat Ultimate Earth, and all that was cracking it, but the O5's arrival fucked it all up. Also, there was time travel shinanigans with Rightclops' team, but that didn't erase the universe.

I'd buy it if they were pulled from an alternate timeline and are now just stuck on 616-8 thanks to them being on 616-7 when Secret Wars happened; kinda like how Power Girl go stuck on New Earth after CoIE because of Earth 2 no longer existing but her being too different from Supergirl to be combined into her.

>one iceman gay
>are all iceman in all dimensions gay?

So...

Believe it or not, this paradox stuff is standardized in science fiction because it's based in hard logic mathematics that might one day have a practical application.
But the whole point is that the canon living infinity of the Marvel Multiverse couldn't tolerate a paradox this confusing to exist and the obvious solution was to destroy the offending universe and replace it with a copy. Hank and the O5 landed in the copy when they tried to time-travel to the future.
Simple.

(sigh...) Cable is the product of a union between Scott Summers (Cyclops) and his first wife, Madelyne Pryor, the clone of Jean Grey.
Genetically, he may as well be Jean's kid and since at one point Jean Grey telepathically absorbed Madelyne Pryor's identity and memories into her own mind, there's a sense of parentage there. But because babies don't work well in comics BabyCable had to go, they considered killing him off with an incurable disease but dead babies is also a comics no-no, so they had him spared by a time-travelling future mutant who was a fan of the Phoenix, having the kid of the Phoenix is a big deal in the future, so when it didn't look like they could cure him they decided to clone him, and that made Stryfe, who Apocalypse raised. But BabyCable lived, was raised by time-travelling honeymooning Scott and Jean in borrowed future bodies, grew up to be a soldier, possibly fathered (totally adopted) a punk named Tyler, and then decided to spend his retirement years time-travelled back into his original era in order to help out his family. And then he was given Hope to raise as his own.
Now please don't ask me to explain who the Phoenixes are and why they come in different costume colors.

The original 616 is not

>Now please don't ask me to explain who the Phoenixes are and why they come in different costume colors.
You'd have a better shot explaining America Chavez's new ongoing than that.

Same lesson as from nu star trek. Time travel can make you gay.

>Not including Nate Gray/X-Man

They are clones, Hank made them by mistake.