The Mutant Problem

Is she right, Sup Forums?

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Is there any mutant that humans are okay with?

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Yes

mutties shouldn't be tagged any more than guns should.

It seems like someone at Marvel's been reading forums on the matter of biased mutant bashing with that remark of how there are other superhumans around who don't receive as much default hostility, and the part about the genome's potential to make more of them rather than just what they are being the reason is something I've said for years so I guess they've got to my post.

So, they're technically not wrong. There's also all that stuff about the X gene being a celestial engineered project though how commonly known that is varies.

Though the honest truth of it is the idea behind what mutants are, literally and symbolically,and why they're feared, from the volatile powers to the bigotry of their fallacious superior race doctrine to a sentient bacteria conspiracy, is a mess.

An user a few years ago addressed that Beast joining the Avengers was to help with that sort of thing in public relations, also I guess Franklin Richards technically counts but it's likely because people don't know he's a mutant and the repertoire of his parents.

Guns should be tagged too. Just like Mutants.

t. the bad guy

So wait, what's the difference between getting powers through the X genome and getting powers through magic radiation or whatever?

Shut up, Jean.

Her point is unreasonable. We only need reasonable controls on high capacity assault mutants. NYC doesn't even let police officers from other states carry normal guns in their jurisdiction. Why should they let someone who was born a gun walk around without government intervention?

you can pass them on to your offspring, or mix with a non-mutant and create more mutants.
given a few generations they'll be more mutants than before.

getting powers through magic or whatever, you wont pass them on since they aren't genetic.

eitherway the argument of who's right or wrong is redundant, it's who is left standing that proves their view is the right way since they showed their superiority through strength, mutants aren't humans, they are an evolved species that may or may not dethrone their predecessors.

Man vs Nature.
or er, Man vs Mutie.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

Seriously though, the actual closest analogue to mutants isn't race or LGBT issues, it's gun rights.

Why do Inhumans get a pass? Their leaders have done a lot of immoral and questionable shit. And they can breed new Inhumans.

No. Because people in the marvel universe treated mutants like shit BEFORE the really powerful mutants got the spotlight, and people go out and kill mutants they know to be harmless.

If her rhetoric was true, people would fear and hate powerful mutants specifically, not lynch some guy who can change his hair color on command.

Because a certain someone likes Inhumans and is pushing them hard in the comics, so they have to be treated with kid gloves.

Retconned as of the recent Inhuman books. Outside being effected by Terregenesis Inhumans are otherwise baseline humans.

What's the distinction between some random jackoff getting born with powers, and some random jackoff getting hit by cosmic rays, or bit by a radioactive spider, or falling into irradiated cement, or something, and becoming a HMD? It's all random chance, isn't it?

Name an Inhuman terrorist faction who have attacked and killed humans.

Name an Inhuman who has attempted to take over the world, or even just a nation.

Compare your answers with the last time a mutant terrorist group attacked, and the last time a mutant tried to take over the world.

That's why. Until 2012, the Inhumans were living in isolation, in their own hidden city, rather than living amongst humans. And since then, they haven't been an open threat to humans, or to anyone except mutants, who, as we've already established, no-one likes because they keep trying to take over the world or do terrorist attacks.

Getting powers through external means is contexually pretty rare in the MU, most superpowered people are mutants. Also most people with powers in the MU are villains. Ergo, most supervillains in the MU are mutants.

As for random chance, if it's inheritable then it's not random. Really it all boils down to writers being unwilling to show any depth to anti-mutant sentiment by showing anti-mutant activists as indifferent to mutants with cosmetic or minor mutations.

>they are an evolved species
Derivative, cousin species at best. They're still mostly homosapien. Hell, while some can just be born expressing for the purpose of some plot nonsense, the premise of most of the mutant teen teams is that they didn't exhibit differences from regular humans until puberty and some lose their powers spontaneously in adulthood.
The idea something categorized as a separate species could slip back in and out with another is evolutionary nonsense.

>We only need reasonable controls on high capacity assault mutants.
How do you put those into effect before they've happened?
Consider someone like Legion who randomly generates powers as a result of his mental state or Darwin who adapts? One moment they might be harmless and the next they become reality warpers and death gods.

>If her rhetoric was true, people would fear and hate powerful mutants specifically, not lynch some guy who can change his hair color on command.
The powerful mutant might be the son of the guy who changes his hair color.
I'm not condoning or suggesting preemptive prejudice just to be clear, I'm just making it clear if you figure the worst mutants can come from the least likely of places you have to recognize the automatic conclusion is general fear and suspicion until proven otherwise.

Either way it doesn't really matter, because technically speaking humans are mutants, while the comics have used things like Wanda's reality warping or some other nonsense to reduce or get rid of them technically speaking the genes of mutation should never completely disappear if they spontaneously appeared to begin with. To genocide mutants you'd need to genocide every human career as well not just the mutants who express any kind of power. Someone like Graydon Creed for example should noose himself immediately if he wants to help the cause.

>Name an Inhuman who has attempted to take over the world, or even just a nation.
I'm fairly sure Maximus has tried world domination at least once.

>randomly generates powers

The fact that he's the only one you can even say "fairly sure" about does say a lot.

And whatever he's done, he's never done the kind of big public attack like Magneto did. The vast majority of the public of the MU won't even know who Maximus is.

I mean, she's not wrong.

Magneto would agree, he just supports it.

Fuck, somehow posted too soon.

A mutant that randomly generates powers would obviously be tagged as having massive destructive potential, even if they don't presently.

The Sentinels actually tried that once. They were going to wipe out all humans with a massive solar flare, to stop mutation.

If anything, people should be scared of the genetic threat that Spiderman and the Hulk represent.

We know that both of them can pass on their powers genetically, and we know that the Hulk's powers can have different triggers depending on the psychology of the person involved. Hulk has, to my memory, two children who fully expressed his strength, endurance and other powers, while still retaining control of their thought processes.

Spiderman's powers are explicitly genetic by this point. He's been cloned a number of times, and we've seen many alt-universes where he has children that also have his powers.

To my understanding, that leaves 100% of Peter Parker's abilities (which are numerous) as inheritable, passing on with no visible marking or immediately visible expression until they decide to take action. It is entirely possible that, five generations down the line, Parker's descendants who are almost certain to never die to injury (super strong, fast healing, durable, super quick with danger-precognition) spreading out across the United States and creating a literal race of supermen. If he has children with uhh... Silk, they'd also get pheromone powers which would let them ensure that they pass down genetic lineage as often as they like (or is that Spiderwoman's deal?).

The Hulk's children (and presumably most other gamma-freaks) are slightly worse off, since at least their transformations will give them away if they are put in mortal danger. But otherwise, they are just as capable of breeding into the human species and subverting it from the inside, while being even less likely to die from accident or violence.

Don't freak out over the mutants. Spiders and Hulks are the real threat.

Xgene can show up in anyone regardless of lineage. Inhumans need direct you parents to have it AND you need terrigen otherwise you ain't shit.

Isn't releasing a giant cloud to transform humans into Inhumans an act of terrorism? Due to, y'know, stripping humans of their free will and forcing them to become apart of their cabal if they turn into Inhumans?

This. So much this.Their recent stunt of teleporting to the middle of Central Park and setting up shop is just the last of a billion bad, illegal or world ending acts.
Oh, and when a government official tried to deliver them a bill for rent, Wolverine threatened to fucking murder him. That alone should land that fucking midget in jail. Piece of shit.

>pull up your damn pants!

Pretty much all the good mutants are dead at this point anyway. Marvel civies should be having a celebration.

You forgot that gamma radiation is probably the most consistent power-inducer in the MU outside of the X-gene and produces a stable physiology as opposed to the X-gene's grab bag of effects.

Only a handful of people know BB did that on purpose. It's pretty much like calling an oil spill an act of terrorism. Not to mention they likely got credit for destroying the cloud.

>forcing them to become apart of their cabal if they turn into Inhumans?
If anything they took it as containing the problem rather than letting them run around unchecked.

The most threatening thing about mutants IMO is that they have something that brings them together beyond superpowers, and that their leaders are genocidal assholes.
When Magneto goes "Gas the humans, race war now!", I can understand other people beginning to become a bit genocial.

>you can pass them on to your offspring, or mix with a non-mutant and create more mutants.

Doesn't that already happen with other superpowered heroes?

>getting powers through magic or whatever, you won't pass them on since they aren't genetic.

True, but their magical knowledge and bullshit always end up getting passed down to their children in one way or another. Be it through artifacts or spellbooks left behind or given by the parent.

The Inhuman push kinda ignored the fact that no one really has any reason to join a foreign power situated in the middle of the Hudson River. Much less any reason for the USA to let them do as they please. Logically all of the new Inhumans they scooped up would be the destitute, alienated, and desperate.

Are eye beams covered by the second amendment? Has this been taken to court? What about adamantium claws?

The X-men premise requires so much world building, and it's kind of odd that these stories haven't been told.

If we just ignore the giant fart that either killed turned random people into monstrosities? No. Not from a meta perspective.

Since Marvel won't make any new mutants to keep Fox from getting new material, any new major superheroes/villains we see from now on will originate from anywhere but the X-gene

>Inhumans they scooped up would be the destitute, alienated, and desperate.
That's all they got a at first. It wasn't until CW2 that people started lining up for no damn reason.

>We want super powers!
>Thanks Inhumans!

>We didn't want super powers!
>DIE MUTIE SCUM!

And this is why anything pertaining to Mutants should be spun-off to their own imprint because it just doesn't work in the bigger Marvel Universe.

True.

Considering Ross, Betty, Jennifer, Rick Jones and the Gamma Corps, why does anyone ever bother with any other method of creating super soldiers? If you have a reliable donor subject, you can create an army of Grey Hulks.

You'd need Asgardians to counter that military potential.

To be fair the Inhumans do respond to the Attilan monarchy so if one goes in a rampage they can go to Medusa/BlackBolt to take responsibility and maybe milk some delicious space resources meanwhile with the Mutants you can't just sue the X-men everytime Magneto decides to blow up a city.

She's right. This point of view has always, always been objectively true. These fuckers have laser eyes and acid blood. They can wipe out an entire city just by sneezing, even if they don't mean to. They ONLY way X-men has ever worked as an analogy for minorities would be if the minorities were all given guns that occasionally fired off in random directions and forced to swing them around wildly 24/7.

From the very first time I saw the X-men movie and the senator addressed Congress saying, "Yo, these fuckers are walking nukes. I don't want them in camps. I just want to fucking know when the kid who turns people inside out is sitting behind my kid in algebra class."

This. The fears not "oh they look different kill em" its "a guy plans to shoot up his work place but hes mag-fucking-neto" so instead of a dozen dead its a few thousand

There's no way to satisfactorily make "Professor X/Cyclops/Whoever's leader tells the Avengers when a bad guy mutant shows up" in legislation. And even that has problems What if Xavier is a dick and mindwipes everyone when a mutant becomes a problem, What if the Avengers are infiltrated by someone or wiped out or whatever.

I agree with plainclothes spiderman. It's not that they're mutants. It's that they're all dicks.

The best solution for mutants that doesn't end in wholsale genocide of baseline folk and muggas is to give baseline people super solider serum. You'd somebody think of that instead of "gas em all"

Well I think the randomness is part of the inheritablility.

A Blond and Brunette have a kid that's brunette, you can see the logic behind those genetics, you can see the traits that were expressed.

Spiderman has a kid, and that kid has spider powers. Makes sense, Spiderman has Spiderpowers.

Magneto Master of Magnetism has two kids, one has Super Speed, the other is a Reality Warping Sorceress. Its hard to see how that follows.

The mutant gene being inherited is not random, but whatever it turns into sure as hell is.

Blue shapeshifter Mystique begets a blue teleporter Nightcrawler is about as straight as it gets. Outside of Logan and X-23, but that's like cloning.

Bova you lying slut! Pietro and Wanda aren't Mags kids.

If I have a right to bear arms, I have a right to mutant powers.

Yeah, but the problem is that the anti-mutant issue has always been "it's okay to hate mutants because SOME of them are dangerous & could kill us all. Who fucking cares about Dazzler or Flatman? There are TONS of mutants with either shitty powers or useless powers & TONS of people who just have a weird face like Beak. I mean, there was an issue of Generation X when they were all attacking this gigantism-stricken boy who had mental problems...and he wasn't a mutant at all, he was just large...The problems are 1. All mutants are bad is an oversimplification & 2. There's ALWAYS no traction between "maybe we should have mutants register to be able to keep our eyes on the bad ones or powerful ones..." & "they LITERALLY ALL need to be in camps" which are usually run by evil mutants or evil scientists who want to use the mutants for experiments and/or world-conquering anyways. There's no one watching the watchmen & all it does it make mutants MORE pissed off.

Daken is Logan's son, right?

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They should have dedicated at least one issue to people who got Inhumanized and were completely not interested in moving in another country or having to deal with anything Attilan-related. And the local police notifying the Inhumans that they were illegal aliens in their country

>They ONLY way X-men has ever worked as an analogy for minorities would be if the minorities were all given guns that occasionally fired off in random directions and forced to swing them around wildly 24/7.
so, Detroit?

>Magneto Master of Magnetism has two kids, one has Super Speed, the other is a Reality Warping Sorceress. Its hard to see how that follows.
Retconned.
Now only Polaris is his child.- and she has magnetic powers-

>>Blue shapeshifter Mystique begets a blue teleporter Nightcrawler is about as straight as it gets.
the teleporting part might well be from the Father's not expressed X-gene.

I always found it hilarious that people have tried to shove concepts like gun control into comics, but it's always been treated as some horrific concept to catalog and track people who can kill hundreds on accident. I mean there was an entire story about how they had to kill some kid who accidentally turned his town into virus goop and they couldn't let anyone know about it.

The Logan movie covering Xaviers and his alzheimer's was a perfect example. Tragic, but a perfect example of why Mutants could never just be allowed to roam freely. They're literally fucking walking WMDs.

This is exactly the problem.

Remember that some mutants dont even have to want to hurt people to end up depopulating a city.

Remember that MAX story where a kid manifests an wide AOE disintegration aura?

Kills his whole town whitout realising wtf is going on

>Remember that MAX story where a kid manifests an wide AOE disintegration aura?
it was Ultimate X-Men, IIRC

No she's fucking off her rocker. Every single thing she said applies to non-mutant mutates just as much as it applies to mutants. There is no fucking justification for hating mutants while lauding the Avengers.
>B-but mutants are genetic!
If you so much as drink from the wrong glass in the Marvel universe you might end up with powers. How are these guys who have the potential for mutation inside them any worse? In both situations it's a previously normal person possibly getting world-ending powers. And that's just regular powered mutates, I'm not mentioning the off-brand mutants that are the Inhumans.

So a world with mutants would be the whole world being Detroit.

only if the whole world is made of mutants... but then they wouldn't be a minority...

Not to mention the death toll from partially finished ones.

mutants are meant to inherent the earth .they where designed that way be space gods

Speaking of which what are the eternals and golden celestial up to these days?

The last celestial is chilling out with qt gts Possibility.

So everyone has forgotten about the golden celestial?

They did here and there.

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So you think Beak should be killed because Magneto is dangerous?

i dont think he said that, he just wants mutants chipped. you can recognize that mutants are an issue that needs to be dealt with without wanting them dead

yes

There is a massive difference between an oil spill and a fucking death cloud. The fact that no one saw this as a terrorist act despite countless people dying while a mutant's very existence is enough to count as one is baffling.

Thats retarded, actually.

Does she seriously believe marvel civilians are sitting on their sofas, thinking "whats the difference between capt america and wolverine? hmmm... oh DNA!! time to hate on those muties now"

Saying its genome dna or whatever would imply that the humans has a built-in way of telling if someone has "naturally" mutated genes

The trouble is they live in 616, where every paranoid leftist conspiracy about the American government is true. You start chipping mutants and next thing you know President Stryker is using the registry for genocide purposes.

Muants are assholes. That's why people hate them.

All the celestials except for one were killed by Logos. I don't know if the survivor is "the golden celestial."

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This whole issue is just a mess because there's no actual solution to it. It's always a slippery slope that somehow leads to genocide.

But we need our X-genome to protect our freedoms when the aliens come.

comes out we only need the Destiny Force to export FREEDOM to the stars. Just ask Rick Jones

No, she's wrong, tons of other beings in the MU 'spontaneously enhance'. Spider-Man spontaneously enhanced. Humans can trip into sudden superpowers in all sorts of ways.

Is this an issue? Yeah, but it's not one that's easy to deal with. I mean, sure, you can do as says and have mutants chipped, but that essentially presumes that mutants, no matter their power will, be in violation of law. It criminalizes a huge segment of the population - a segment of the population that can fight back extremely successfully. What happens when Joe Mutant can't get a job because employers constantly turn him down due to something in his genome. What happens when Timmy X-Gene is driven out of every school he tries to attend, may even every town, by coalitions of concerned parents and jealous peers, and he grows up uneducated, socially maladapted, and angry as a result? What happens when the wrong mutant just gets sick and tired of everyone breathing down his neck all the time?

Ultimately, most people know that psychopaths who would use their powers horrifically are a rare occurrence - especially since mutant powers kick in at puberty, meaning mutants get to grow and mature relatively normally at first. Very few people seek to actively damage and fight against the world unless they feel they have to - for most people it's too much effort, before you even start taking morality into consideration. Mutants, like many issues, are solved by the difficult things that people always want to shift the responsibility for. People need to be good parents, good teachers, good guardians. Things like mental illness need to be detected and treated earlier. But this stuff is hard, and there's the added factor of jealousy over superpowers, so people default to the easy, ultimately destructive 'solution' of registration and chipping and such.

Outside of the US most countries love their mutants as a way to even the playing field.

The X-gene is part of the Destiny Force.

The Destiny Force is just mankind's predisposition for stumbling into superpowers, which will eventually propel it to superpowered ascension. The X-gene is part of that.

>Is she right, Sup Forums?
No and
>All manner of enhanced individuals...what particular threat do mutants pose
confirms it. It's like worrying about a knife in a fight with everything ranging from bigger knives to swords to guns to nukes and you don't know who has what

Charles Xavier is a man that preaches peace while simultaneously keeping a private child army that he uses to commit acts of international vigilantism.
The X-men habitually take local and international law into their own hands and act in manners in defiance to treaties and conventions.
They believe they are entitled to acting this way because the incidents involved concern mutants, and that they as mutants themselves are uniquely better capable of handling them then any baseline human.
The X-men routinely refer to themselves as "Homo Superior"
The X-men and Charles Xavier are international terrorists and mutant extremists.

It's only the US where Mutants are hated other than NKorea

Swan

The ending of IvsX killed any excitement I had for RessurrXion, so if anyone's read the first issues of it ITT, how were they?

or Mind Controlled them like how Inhumans are controlled in Avenger Assemble.

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>Now only Polaris is his child.
Which is in and of itself a retcon to begin with.

I'd assume that control issues are a major factor, plus the tendency for psychological issues to negatively impact the Hulk-mode. But yeah, when you've got guys like Maverick who has an implant that allows for controlled induction and cancellation of Hulk-mode it really becomes a moot point. About the only issue then is logistics.

>mutties shouldn't be tagged any more than guns should.
Wrong.
Consider the following, you're a cop, dispatch tells you to report to a scene and that the suspect is armed, you go in expecting small arms fire, so put on your bulletproof vest and make sure to keep your head down.
If it's big guns that the suspect has they aren't even sending you they just bring in SWAT.
The point is that generally with guns the police knows what they are getting into, whether it's a rifle or a handgun procedure doesn't change.
But if dispatch tells you that the suspect is a mutant, what does that tell you? Nothing, is it a teleporting mutant? a flying brick mutant, a telepath? a healer? is it a low level mutant a fucking Omega? you don't know so you have absolutely no idea what you're getting into for all you know trying to arrest this guy could end the world.
Mutant registration is the bare minimum of what is necessary for mutants to live in society, gun registration doesn't even compare.

No, Beak should be killed so we never have to read about him again.

Okay. You've got one for Inhumans.

Magneto has like, a fucking billion.

The same woman shilled for the Inhumans, so she's a fucking moron at best, a huge hypocrite at worst

>Charles Xavier is a man that preaches peace while simultaneously keeping a private child army that he uses to commit acts of international vigilantism

Except that he HAS to in order to stop a genocidal mutant that would've destroyed the earth 10 times over otherwise. The fuck is police going to do against the fucking brotherhood? A handful of members is enough to topple an entire SWAT team with almost no effort. The X-men exist to show that not all mutants are the brotherhood.

Except it's a pointless endeavor regardless since most mutants would be able to take them down regardless. And chances are, they became villains because they were demonized to begin with.

>And chances are, they became villains because they were demonized to begin with
This is shitty logic when used in the real world with terrorists, and it's equally shitty logic for fiction.

Is Parker not considered a mutant?

Charles Xavier used to work with the FBI to track down mutants in the US. I think a man like him would, except in the most extreme cases, somehow deal with the local authorities before acting in a foreign country, even if few writers take the time to point it out.