Movies that backfired hard

movies that backfired hard

I don't understand what you're trying to say and I believe it's because your shit is all retarded.

I refuse to believe that Tropa de Elite was anything other than a fascist treatise on the necessity and inevitability of violence, and the destruction that individual absence of higher ideals brings to society

What does that even mean?

Starship troopers
>humanity cohabits the galaxy with a race of hivemind bugs that destroy everything in their path
>hurr durr they ebil fascist
>haha dumb audience, how could they possibly agree with the things the federation does? Don't they feel the eery authoritarian undertones?
Elite Squad
>OMG POLICE BRUTALITY!
>stupid audience cheers for police trying to bring order to a hellhole, what a deep and unsettling thing

both were made by total libshits but ended up getting the opposite point across

The twist in Starship Troopers is that at the end the MI are becoming brainless soldiers commanded by a psychic, like the bugs they just killed.
The fascist tones are supposed to be laugh inducing, not thought provoking

I don't know about the other one, but Starship Troopers the book certainly explores the benefits of fascism, It was really dumb of Veerhoven to think that putting in one or two lines of dialog would change how people interpreted the overall message.

>They Live
>Star Wars TFA
>Birth of a Nation
>Detroit

Yeah, if only those dumb, high test soldiers drank more soy milk and watched more Charlie Kaufman movies they might be an independent thinker like me.

>MI are becoming brainless soldiers commanded by a psychic, like the bugs they just killed.
But it makes perfect sense in universe. We're not fighting the bugs because we disagree with their morals, we're fighting the bugs because they're an existential threat. There is no deep and poignant twist there. Instead, the objective lesson is that you have to adapt and fight, or die.

The book was an unironic author tract on civic fascism. The movie was an attempt at satire.

Avatar.

>fascism
Only if you consider the Roman republic to be fascism.

Attempt being the key word here

That's bullshit. Starship troopers is a supremely human story that makes me cry literally every time.

>existential threat

No, they weren't. Buenos Aires was a false flag so everybody would be fine invading an alien planet.

These. Also Fight Club and The Matrix.

There was literally more justification for attacking the bug homeworld than there was for the United States invading Iraq.

Somewhere a bunch of studio guys must be panicking that they accidentally made the first pro-Nazi TV series in American history

Is anyone going to mention that the literal "Death of the author" of Starship Troopers occurred 9 years before the film even came out?

>Buenos Aires was a false flag
On one hand the rock flying thousands of light years across the galaxy to Earth sounds like bullshit

On the other hand the same fucking rock also scrapes the antenna off of Denise Richards' cruiser halfway between the bug planet and Earth so how did it even get there?

Someone post the breakfast scene that made people think "Nazis are pretty wholesome".

It's two things though

It's the "Nazi America looks so nice and friendly and prosperous but it's actually really sinister" but more than that it's the "Nazis are opposed to the Japanese who are hilariously fucking evil." Making Nazi New York a glittering high tech metropolis where smiling people go "gee I sure am glad we got rid of the Jews and the coloreds" while Japanese San Francisco is a nightmarish hellscape where soldiers randomly rape and murder their American slaves as they please is an amazing unforced error on the part of the showrunners.

And so was making the main Nazi character this ridiculously brave and competent and honorable all-around awesome guy who just happens to love Hitler

wagner moura is a major commie cunt

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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the premise that a bunch of films from an alternate history where the right side wins fall into the hands of some plucky rebels?

Really makes you wonder what they were thinking.

Not sure it's Sup Forums, but I remember reading that when A Streetcar Named Desire was first performed the writer didn't realise he'd made Blanche such a colossal cunt that people sympathised more with Stanley - who rapes her.

Look at these fucking brainlets

John Carpenter is just flat-out lying about They Live.

>they're a secret cabal of foreigners that disguise themselves as us, infiltrate the top positions of finance, media and politics to sow division, promote greed and leech our society into oblivion while sending their ill-gotten gains back to their homeland
>uh... I was actually talking about those rotten rich white dudes
Yeah? Are the WASPs that own the world sending their proceeds back to their ancestors in London or something?

It's funny how impossible it is to make effective anti-police propaganda

People fucking love Judge Dredd and Robocop too instead of being horrified by them. Not to mention Dirty Harry, or even Riggs and Murtaugh.

>>Detroit
Is it good? Thought it'll be a pandering flick so i've put it away.

I think that they realized people didn't want to be slammed over the head with a story they've heard a million times and tried to take a realistic approach to Nazism exploring everything an Axis victory would bring. Movies like Schindler's List has really bad inaccuracies because they're afraid that someone committing genocide isn't evil enough. I want to give them the benefit of the doubt because this is shit you won't find on Netflix.

That's because when it actually comes down to rationalizing the existence of a brutal jackboot force in your work of fiction, it's very hard to come up with an unjustified scenario of how they came about.

There's a reason why Rio has BOPE while Reykjavik does not.

>And so was making the main Nazi character this ridiculously brave and competent and honorable all-around awesome guy who just happens to love Hitler
So, like most SS servicemen? It was the ultimate pro-social chad organization. Probably what makes the jew despise it so, more than the deportations and imprisonment.

Speaking of Brazilian movies, has anyone seen Bingo? Thought it was pretty good

unless you're an idiot, Starship Troopers didn't fail at relaying its message

Should put fight club in place of it. Tropa definitely does fit the bill, and the sequel really highlights that because it completely misunderstands what the first was saying.

Same goes for this fucker here.

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It's really not that hard. I just think it's just that the concept of police being bad has been engrained in (white liberal) people's minds that they forgot why dislike the police. Just put in cruel or unusual punishment for petty crime or harassment.

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>Alan Moore describes Rorschach as a terrible paranoid and insane person and says 'nobody should identify with him"
>turns out it's the most compelling character in the book by far

Oops.

literally never met someone who thinks judge dredd is cool
the movie and comics are cool, but have genuinely not a single time seen someone say that the character is heroic

Hey, I think Dredd is cool.
And Judge Hershey is cooler.

>tfw no Dredd 2 with Antje Traue as Hershey

>replace Starship Troopers with Ender's Game
Ftfy

Padilha did a great duology, but was also a retarded. Tried to show "fascism" from the perspective of an overheated cop who needs to deal with:

- internal betrayal (bad cops);
- drug dealers (with warfare arsenal);
- addicted "students" (inside college);
- favela nigger warlords during Pope's visit;
- 2 rookies to train (1 dead during the process).
- stressed pregnant wife.

Do you really thing audience would see "fascism" in that? LOL... In a caos situation like that, cap. did what was necessary to survived, no matter what - and the audience liked it.

>the moral is literally "guns are bad"

I thought it was "Love conquers all."

(or, alternatively, "Ain't I a stinker?"

I heard a lot about Bingo and I'm sad that I decided to watch pic related instead.
Not that it's trash, it was your average hue film with some extra oomph to it, fun and interesting but it's kinda shallow overral.
Bingo on the other hand has just unending praise, from acting to directing.

>fight club
maybe not the movie because it has such cool bradley pitte, but I remember some unsettling moments in the book when you realize they're madmen forming a murderous guerrilla

The movie was mocking the book. If you paid attention to the movie you would have gotten that...if you didn't pay attention it's a pretty good Sci Fi action flick

But that's what fascism is. Ignoring the "muh fascist" that people are using in the modern day, fascism at its core was bringing back the Roman Imperial system to work with a more modern "socialist" society. That's the way I understood it when researching Mussolini

You don't know what "Death of the Author" means.

At least fucking read Barthes.

>riggs and murtaugh
I've been rewatching the old Lethal Weapon films and the tv show, and I've really been put off at how readily they will kill people and take the moral high ground

>first performed
I thought the point was that she destroyed her life and tried to drain everyone around them of theirs sort of subservience of the damsel in distress

fascism is literally named after the ceremonial axe given to consuls of the Roman Republic brainlet

basically every movie because people are retarded

>American History X
not pro nazi, but loved by edgy nazi's
>Every mobster movie, scarface goodfellas etc.
loved by lower class trash because they wanna be the godfather/kingpin whatever, even though it's about how tragic his life is and that a life of crime is constant horror and drama

Is tropa de elite 2 worth watching?

>American History X
>Loved By Nazis
The entire movie is a tear down of their ideology. How could they possibly...?

SOPA DE ELITE
UMA DELICIA

At least you didn't see this

And to this day Alan Moore is still salty about it.

It reall doesn't matter. even a false flag would be justified if it was necessary. The bugs were a race of aliens that spreads by shooting its spores every direction and killing everything it encounters. They needed to be eliminated no matter the cost for humanity and all earth-based life to survive.

Well it's still a breakdown. It's easy to use as a recruiting tool by saying the bad parts are inaccurate and that the moral is dumb.

so that makes him a perfect example of what the OP was asking for, doesn't it?

The Punisher as a whole is a great example of this.

The movie is still great, it's just that it completely opposes the ideology of the author. Nascimento was a rare straight cop trying to do his job in a cesspool filled with violent criminals and corrupt delinquents, all the while being just a fallible human himself. Most people can and do sympathize with him. Only those who start with an a priori agenda can muster the mental gymnastics to dismiss him as a villain.

This makes it all more ironic since Wagner Moura is your typical overpriviledged communist wimp. What's even funnier about it, is that the movie popularized Rio de Janeiro's BOPE so much that several police agencies throughout the country have renamed their Special Tactics Units to BOPE.

I'm a literal nazi and I found it to be a strawman for the most part. The author takes full advantage of the fact that there is no cause and effect in fiction, just what he decides will happen. A distinction that is often lost on people in the 115-130IQ range.

Also, while on the subject of irony, Wagner's father is a retired from the Brazilian Air Force, he served during the military dictatorship.

>This makes it all more ironic since Wagner Moura is your typical overpriviledged communist wimp. What's even funnier about it, is that the movie popularized Rio de Janeiro's BOPE so much that several police agencies throughout the country have renamed their Special Tactics Units to BOPE.
Yeah, hence the pic in the OP. Elite Squad and Starship Troopers are the most ridiculous cases of ideological backfire I could think of.

Budget $51 million
Box office $14.4 million

>literal nazi

Are you like 90 years old?

>Japanese San Francisco is a nightmarish hellscape

So like regular San Francisco, but with less Japanese people.

nah, my political views are mostly consistent with national socialism

anyway, here's the updated version

It's perfectly possible that he's just a dumb cuck. Don't underestimate the average normalfag's capacity for mental gymnastics. Any mention of "the jews" will trigger immedaite assocaitons with reptilians, aliens, satanist cults and overall insane rambling in the vast majority of people. A knee jerk, conditioned emotional response that they think is "logic and reason".

have you even seen the movie?
the bugs attacked the outpost IN THERE TERRITORY!
the humans were the ones spreading all over the galaxy and killing everything that got in there way.

And? The bugs are obviously a threat to human interests.

> while Japanese San Francisco is a nightmarish hellscape where soldiers randomly rape and murder their American slaves as they please is an amazing unforced error on the part of the showrunners.
The real Imperial Japan treated its foreign subjects like absolute shit so this isn't too far fetched.

Yes, that's why it was mentioned.
The creator didn't want people to side with Rorschach, he wrote him as everything his political and social ideals deems wrong.

the human "interest" was finding a external threat to rally there population around.

In what way? Most authors put Frank up against the worst of the worst and he does what no one else is capable of. What commentary there is on vigilantism is kept to a minimum.

only Sup Forums autists interpreted the star ship troopers movie as pro fascism

Have you ever read the book?

>the star ship troopers movie
The book is irrelevant, that user is completely right.

The director didn't actually read the book, only shitty transcripts of it and built the movie around them.

The movie is very different from the book.

Were you really supposed to hate Dredd or find the Judges unnecessary? I know the comics have an element of satire to them but the movie portrays a society where such brutality is clearly needed to keep order, and I think the film makers were aware of that.

That's what I meant. The Hooray for black people movies are total bullshit lies.

Selma
Detroit
twelve years a slave
Birth of a nation
Race
42
Etc. etc. etc.

No one even watches that shit anymore and it redpilled the fuck out of me.

They are all just inversions if KKK propaganda used against whites.

Same animalistic leering as raping used to justify lynching white people. It is a propaganda vector to dehumanize White men. And beyond that the shit is all entirely made up.

You do realize that he was an American serviceman before the nazis took over right?
He was always a brave and competent person he just happened to be on the losing side.

>make the bad guys cool as fuck
>hurrrr
retarded

Because he curbstomps a black dude and that's the only part of the movie that seems to have actually registered with them.

Picrelated. Ed Harris character literally saved the movie. Even if you disagree with him.

Dredd is objectively heroic, though.

that's how good the film was as a propaganda despite the director clearly saying so.

the film is so well down, it's actually kind of a horror film for me.

>make movie about the dangers of police brutality
>wtf I love police brutality now

>make movie about the dangers of fascism
>wtf I love fascism now

>make movie about the dangers of sticking your dick in crazy
>wtf I live sticking my dick in crazy now

Is Verhoeven the most misunderstood director in history?

Liberals and commies Should burn

Dutch people are just like that.

>make movie glorifying literally the worst place possible to actually have sex

God that was such a great sex scene

in the movie, one of the signs said "MARRY AND REPRODUCE" if Jews want white genocide then it wouldn't have said that, would it?

>yes, good goy, make more slaves for us
>yes, good goy, end your bloodline and leave the world to our slaves

It's like how the Cold War was a global struggle between two Jewish ideologies for world domination