Wanda Thread

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The thumbnail makes her look pregnant. Good job.

So what is Wanda's endgame in the movies? Becoming Strange's apprentice? Marrying Vision and having little cyborg babies?

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Becoming a Paprika Baron and monopolizing the spice market

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Nice ass

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She needs a solo movie

It could be about bringing quicksilver back time travel adventure

She needs a solo movie

how would you be able to do a solo movie with her?

Brain Meat:

> Vision is a god becoming human
> Wanda is a human becoming a god

> Wanda's powers based on emotion
> Confirmed to be magic by Feige and VFX people
> Pretty much obviously Chaos Magic (we know that Strange used Order Magic, and Kaecilius/Ancient One used Dormammu's Dark Magic)
> Powers becoming more focused and much more aggressive and masculine, much less feminine
> Scepter given to Loki by The Other
> Mind Stone hidden in blue casing
> The Other had mind and speed powers
> Wanda and Pietro miraculously survived a bomb
> Wanda and Pietro miraculously survived HYDRA experiments; no one else did
> Vision created as vessel by Ultron...created to be a vessel for another being...maybe got the idea from a being whose avatar came into contact with the scepter? I dunno.

> Ancient One uses Dormammu's magic, teaches Strange.
> Says about "living above your demons"
> "Chthon" means subterranean, as in below
> Wanda afraid of her powers and herself
> "Fear" Meme
> Ancient One says about sometimes need to break the rules
> Vision says "power invites challenge"
> Thanos has to fight Wanda
> Controls Vision's stone because of her emotional connection to Vision, ergo Chaos Magic, also implies Vision is the stone, not the body


> Mordo would literally lose his shit and go full villain if he found out Strange had taken on Wanda as his apprentice. Kamar-Taj sorcerers might side with Mordo against Strange.

> Shuma Gorath would be disgusted at a mere human using Chaos Magic, old one eye throws his universes out of the pram and sends his underling Nightmare to fuck shit up.

Darker, more super-natural tone than Strange, a bit more grit. As befitting Wanda and her powers, a greater focus on emotion.

Agatha Harkness obviously the "sidekick" (Helen Mirren)
Chthon obviously the best candidate for main villain
Master Pandemonium as the "front line" villain

New York,Wundagore, New Salem, The Flickering Realms, Witch's Road, Serpent's Sea possible locations.

I hope

Can someone explain what happend with this "no more mutants" thing?

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Bendis.

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Thank you.

Why is she such a slut?

Sounds good.

Poor Wanda

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Damn.

Since it wasn't actually explained:

Once upon a time, there was an event called House of M. It started when Scarlet Witch suffered a mental breakdown and decided to rewrite history. No, this is not something she can actually do; her power is probability control, not omnipotent reality warping. Anyway, one bright flash of light later, and the entire world is changed to a different one. Mutants, instead of being a persecuted minority, are a ruling class, while normal humans are oppressed and marginalized. Also, lots of characters seem to have better lives in the new world, but no one remembers the original world.

To make a long story short, they find out what happened and try to reverse it. Wanda has another nervous breakdown and decides "no more mutants", which means that things are now like they were in the regular Marvel universe except nearly all the mutants on Earth lose their powers and become normal humans. This results in things like people with the power of flight dropping out of the sky, hate crimes against some now-powerless former mutants, and mutants overall becoming an endangered species. Of course, the vast majority of affected characters were secondary or background characters; all the important ones like the main X-Men team either got to keep their powers or regained them quickly.

Apparently, the reason for all this is because someone felt that there were so many mutant hero groups that mutants were starting to seem like less of a minority. They even had their own cities and cultures! So they decided to give a character new powers and have her use them to commit genocide.

It makes sense that Wanda, a character who cares too much, would be disliked by a hack writer who does not care and can only write quippy folk.

I still say she's a mutant.

It was basically a combo of Editorial and Bendis being an opportunist.

How magical is Wanda.

Does she even use spells or rune

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She's basically just a mutant whose powers are sometimes defined as magical.

The Busiek Avengers run tried to simplify this by saying she had a mutant power to control a particular kind of magic, chaos magic, but that made it only more confusing.

She doesn't really fit in with Marvel's magic characters because she was born with her power and uses it only by instinct, which is closer to mutant power than someone who actually studied it.

Even in the Civil War movie she was more like a mutant right down to the TV news hating on her.

What about Disassembled.

Bendis gets hired to revamp the Avengers.

Bendis decides he will start by doing a disaster movie type story where the Avengers mansion gets blown up and a bunch of old Avengers get killed.

Bendis decides an insane baby-crazy Scarlet Witch will be the cause of it all because he remembered that John Byrne story where she lost her kids.

Scarlet Witch is fucked for the next 8 or so years.

Chaos Magic is connected to emotion. It's instinct based.

I like her sons

What if she unconsciously used the Life Force power to re-write reality so she wasn't a mutant anymore, and Magneto wasn't her father anymore?

Same here.

I go for the fan theory that the Life Force was really the DC Chaos Magic from JLA/Avengers.

>tfw I ship Hawkeye and Wanda
KILL ME

Nothing wrong with that.

Wanda is best MCU girl

Bendis, is that you?

Her talking down Vision after he has a freakout about their lost children was sweet and, considering what happened to her later that same year (2004) kind of sad.

By doing a Wanda/Vision movie instead of a solo movie. There's years of comics material to work with. And both of them getting just a few minutes of screen-time in movies focused on other characters will never be enough.

I have no idea why Quicksilver was even killed, beyond "Whedon can't not kill anyone". If you're going to do the Wanda/Vision romance, why would you kill Pietro first?

> The only place you will see Wanda interacting with Clint or Carol is the MCU.

>Lizzie and Brie hugging and cuddling each other
Feige please.

Wow.

It's also sad that this one page of a Marvel/DC crossover event has more conversation about their children than Wanda and Vision have ever been allowed to have with each other inside continuity.

JLA/Avengers is kind of a manifesto for why continuity is important no matter how much crap the characters have been through. They all decide they'd rather restore the horrible shit they did than live in a world where continuity is constantly being rebooted.

Naturally it's Hal Jordan who makes the case, but since then I think Wanda may actually have Hal beat in sheer mistreatment.

Of course.

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>homosexuality runs in the family
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But Bendis destroyed Wanda and Clint three times over. Heinberg seemed the most pro Wanda and Clint.

May be to set up Wanda's arc being about a struggle to hold onto her humanity as she is pulled away from it as she becomes more powerful.

> Lizzie and Brie snuggling and rubbing together in pyjama tops

Actually the fact she is out of sorts with the magic types for numerous reasons has been a rich seam which Marvel's writers have failed to exploit.

Sorcerers being hostile to her would surely be inevitable.

Bendis did more damage to Hawkeye than anyone else, and is one of a number of writers to attempt to destroy Wanda, but Bendis did keep trying to make a Clint/Wanda pairing happen.

First he had that issue where Clint slept with an amnesiac Wanda. After Heinberg revealed that as a robot, Bendis wrote an Avengers issue just after AvX where Spider-Woman is mad at Clint because of some previous Clint/Wanda relationship that only exists in Bendis' head. Even one of his X-Men issues that showed possible-future timelines had them having a child who wore a mash-up of their costumes.

Heinberg seemed more concerned with Wanda not being one of Clint's one-night-stands, and playing the whole thing for laughs when everyone else finds out it was a robot.

This. Only the Vision comic has acknowledged Vision's grief since then. Sadly, most writers have treated Vision as a toaster.

And Robinson started his SAW solo off well, exploring that stuff somewhat...Then he went Retcon crazy issue 11 onwards.

This week's Wanda Thread is the "Fantastic Breasts, and Where To Find Them" edition.

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that's because vision fucking sucks

Top quality Lizzieposting, Anons.

Avengers: Celestial Quest was the only other comic to deal with it, in the early 2000s, with the idea that by the time Vision was back to normal. Wanda appeared outwardly to be Over It enough that he didn't want to raise the issue with her, and never talked to anyone else about it.

But the real reason that the conversation Vision should have had with Wanda, was instead with Mantis, was because the main Avengers book had Vision "let Wanda go" and avoid her as much as possible while still being on the same team, so they could try yet again to force a Wanda/Wonder Man romance that no-one wanted.

It's genuinely tragic that there are several generations of Wanda fans, anywhere from Byrne's Avengers to pre-MCU, who really dislike Vision, and the comics have never given them any reason to rethink that opinion.

The reverse doesn't seem to be true, a Vision fan who dislikes Wanda is not something you ever see. Even in the time between her killing him and the reveal that it was Doom's fault.

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Can Wanda defeat the Black Order? The Infinity War photos we've seen show her fighting two of them.

She's probably the only real defense the Avengers have against Super Giant's telepathy unless Vision can use the Mind stone. Although in the GotG cartoon she can also grow to giant size.

The bruisers on the Avengers can take on Proxima Midnight and Black Dwarf easily enough

The big issue is Corvus Glaive and the fact that he just doesn't stay dead. Widow or Hawkeye will probably steal his glaive

Well there's also Order Magic

Hell Yeah

Nico Robin?

Busiek was pretty clear that the Wonder Man pairing was just done to delay getting Wanda and Vision back together too soon.

It's also why just as Wanda was starting to tire of Simon VIsion started dating others, including Carol. Classic "romantic false lead" stuff.

Rick Remender's Uncanny Avengers OTOH really did seem convinced that Wanda and Simon were soul mates. I have no idea why except that he likes doomed romances even if he has to force the crap out of them.

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Trouble is, he went way overboard on it within the first year or so, all the "love stronger than death" and literally putting the fate of the world at stake that Earth would be dragged into Hell if Wanda didn't love him back.

By the time he backtracked to them realising they didn't really love each other, it was years too late, had hurt Wanda as a character, and we end up getting people like Remender following on from the early issues and ignoring how it ended. Remender also seemed convinced that "Vision is just a copy of Wonder Man", and put some serious effort into making readers dislike Vision when he got the chance to write him.

And by the time the Heroes Return books launched, Vision and Wanda had been kept apart almost a decade, by circumstances beyond their control. There was no need to delay getting them back together even longer by doing five years of "let's date other people" plots with forced pairings no-one wanted, let alone delaying it so much you end up leaving the book without even starting to get them back together, even though you swear you planned to do it eventually, honestly.

It all felt more like the Spider-Man books do with Peter and MJ: stringing fans along with the occasional hope-moment, with no real intent of giving them what they want. That has continued through to the present day, where Brevoort has spoken about how he's against getting them back together because he "doesn't see the point". He has instead greenlit two writers doing a Wanda/Wonder Man pairing that fans didn't want.

That moment when you realise they will never wear these costumes in the MCU. Nor ever again in the comics.

I wonder if this could have been the movie costume if Age of Ultron came out in the 80s or 90s..

No one wants Wanda/Vision anymore either. At least I don't after what he did with his robot wife.

Anyone brought in by the MCU is the future. Enough of them want it, and are wondering why the comics are hellbent on keeping them apart.

You're right that the comics have utterly poisoned the pairing by now, but that poison all started with "let's have Wanda sleeping with the guy who didn't want to save Vision, because he wanted Wanda for himself, the guy who keeps insisting Vision was just a copy of him, and no-one ever argues with this claim".

All the other attempts to pair each of them up with someone else, and Wanda killing Vision in Disassembled, not bothering to bring him back in her House of M reality, years of Vision holding a grudge against her, it all made things worse and worse, it had all been ruined long before we got to that Vision solo series. But it's comics, if some writer wanted to, they could fix most of this within a single issue.

Sure, it's enough to make a lot of fans throw in the towel, but there are still some of us who hold out hope that things might improve when enough of Marvel's current editorial and writers are gone.

This thread has MC Speculation, comics discussion, cheesecake, Lizzieposting, waifu posting, and Chthonposting. Something for everyone, so maybe we might even make it into a 2nd day this time, Anons.

Maybe.

people who watch the mcu don't get the comics. even if wanda/vision is a huge hit it won't happen.

The robot wife that was all Wanda's idea. That series didn't do any good for her either.

Except the idea of her bonding with Viv, if anyone ever follows up on that.