An extremely powerful character with literally zero flaws

>an extremely powerful character with literally zero flaws

Are women just so insecure they need female characters to be portrayed as perfect beings?

>t. Privileged Soyboi.

All women are horribly insecure. The only things that give them confidence are beauty and gurl powah

Yes.

Yes

>be Luke
>be dumbfuck farmer from the middle of nowhere
>pilot x-wing with expert skill killing trillion imperials guided by space magic
>see shit with your eyes closed have visions of the future
Stop pretending she's any different from other protagonists in this series. They all follow the same chosen one meme.

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>an extremely powerful character with literally zero flaws

It's female power fantasy. No better than male power fantasy like that german dude in Predator.

yes

If you just changed the character into a man and left everything else the same, no one here would have any problem with Rey

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his flaw is his womanising, usually ends him up in trouble

Look at Wonder Woman
The answer is : yes

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No flaws... is english... drinks faggy drinks...
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Fair enough.

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are you retarded?
Luke got BTFO several times before becoming a jedi. he was also often ridiculed by Leia and Solo
he's nowhere close to a mary sue

Why are you so upset about a fictional character

Kyle Katarn movie when?

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Lol, all these characters have flaws if you looked in to them.

>look, this random character from whatever movie is perfect too!
No fucking shit, we're talking about Star Wars in its own context. Rey is ridiculous.

Batman is one gigantic walking flaw. He's hyper capable and intelligent but his life is self destructive and he's fighting himself into an early grave because he cant let go of his dead parents. Everyone rags on him about this. If you wanted to be a Superhero, Batman is a terrible choice. His life sucks.

Has a giant complex when it comes to his parents, is a cuck that doesn't kill scum, looks like a flying fag, uses giant cars/planes to overcompensate.


HAHAHAHA no flaw indeed.

>be Anakin
>literally 9 years old
>construct sentient robots and advanced machinery
>superhuman reflex and precognition
>blows up entire fleets by himself
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bond isnt english you fag

>be Anakin
>get mutilated by former master
>literally kills children
>jealousy, anger, fury, irrationality
>loses it to the dark side

F L A W S

>that tongue

Just imagine

I have nothing wrong with artwork and such portraying women as goddesslike (hell, even the Nazis did it) but shoehorning faultless little angels into brutal adventures and wartime thrillers is no way to write any sort of story, ever.

>gets overly attached to Kylo immediately after seeing him kill his own father
>despite hating him she opens up to him and gets weak after seeing him half naked
>attacks Luke after only three force bond dates
>initiates tender hand holding
>goes to see Kylo dressed up differently and hair down
How is she perfect and flawless?

>becomes the second most reviled hated villain of all time after the first most reviled hated villain of all time manipulated his arrogance and fear

>the Mary Sue trope is a gender issue
Is it just a coincidence that feminists can't recognize bad writing?

>collects children who end up dead and then he he gets a new sidekick

>Are women just so insecure
Yes. Didn't even need to finish that sentence.

Legolas isn't the protagonist though.

He's kind of a dick.

Correct.

Unironically yes. She has had 0 on-screen defeats or setbacks so far.

What did he mean by this?

She thought Ben Solo would join her side, he didn't.

>His flaw is his Womanising

oh god how horrible it must be to attract and be good with woman that you get laid all the fucking time, truly a problem that changes the character.

He fucks them and they screw him over or put his life in jeopardy. It happens constantly.

Yes

Do you really believe that?
Ignore the gender. Ignore Ridley's performance. Do you think this character is well written?

This is an extension of the way we perceive women as nurturing or the fairer sex. Google "women are wonderful effect"

I really don't know if it's nature or nurture, but ALL women under 50 are insecure. Old lady's mostly stop giving a fuck and become awesome for about a decade before dimensia sets in.

yeah, as long as they show guys nobody will hate bad writin-oh wait

>Women must be better than men
>How can you be better than Yoda, Luke, Han, and obi Wan?

>spends his chilhood in captivity
>loses his mother
>slaughters women and children
>gets BTFO by Dooku and loses a limb
>never trusted by other jedi
>tormented by visions of dying wife
>gets seduced by the dark side and tricked into killing other jedi
>slaughters every last child AGAIN
>gets BTFO by Obi-wan and loses his remaining limbs
>burns to a crisp
>his wife dies
>never meets his children until they're already his enemies
>spends the remainder of his life as a servant to the emperor
>dies from electrocution

Oh yeah Anakin had it so easy all his life, what a mary sue.

Now list all the hardships Rey went through on-screen. You won't, and if you do you'll understand why she is a Mary Sue and he isn't.

>Do you really believe that?
You'd have to be a moron no to think so. Everybody would be ecstatic about this amazing male character who finally shows initiative and succeeds by his own hand. You'd eat it up like a good little drone.

>we
Never did this. Then again most of my female relatives growing up were raging alcoholics, psycho bitches or making bad life choices in general.

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>Everybody would be ecstatic about this amazing male character who finally shows initiative and succeeds by his own hand

by your definition Neil Breen movies are works of art because it show cases exactly that.

just stop.

but Rey is perfect?

>extremely powerful
Come on she couldn't do anything to Snoke. He even ripped all her memories out in less than a minute, which Kylo failed to do in the first movie.

>shitting in bases Breen
Regardless, you know I'm right.

Gary Stu is a term too, underage kiddie.

>The only things that give them confidence are beauty
Is that why they kicked up such a fuss over that makeapp?

>needs to talk to C3PO to communicate with R2D2

What about when he went to Dagoba?

>connected by soul or whatever it is to his mortal enemy
>isn't even that capable, normally saved by other characters such as hermione or even Ron in some cases
>gets rejected by the girl he asks to the ball
>literally dies

>shitting in bases Breen
Dumb phoneposter, GTFO

Nobody likes movie Anakin
>pilot x-wing with expert skill
That's not true, he only destroyed Death Star because Ben told him how to do this. He would miss without Ben guidance.
>killing trillion imperials
He never did this.

>I'm right

I am not defending bad writing because the main cast is female and apparently we only hate the movie because it's lead by female.

You accuse us with the idea that we will eat up bad writing as long as the guy is written as a gary stu, now you prove it.

>be Luke
>barelt attuned with the force but can feel its presence
>train with a master for what’s implied to be weeks
>still initially defeated by the villain
>training is finally done but master perishes in process
>manage to overcome one antagonist only to face another
>better antagonist gets the better of me
>the greater Jedi master saves me in the end

Yeah, no

>Are women just so insecure they need female characters to be portrayed as perfect beings?

Yes, user. Yes they are.

at least these people have years (in the case of Legolas, centries) of military experience and training, are you seriously using these examples to defend a woman who have been scavenging scraps for her whole life until the week she knows about the force within her?

>Everybody would be ecstatic about this amazing male character who finally shows initiative and succeeds by his own hand

Like everybody was for the prequels right? Except that people hated them... And Anakin got scarred and mutilated pretty fast. Maybe that was the problem. Anakin trained with the best, gained a lot of experience in the battlefield, but still managed to fuck up everything in the end.

Isn't it obvious? Many women only ever learned how to be pretty, that was their only quality. Take that lie away and what are you left with?Anakin was midichlorian Jesus though. Who is Rey?

>protagonist of the dullest franchise
>not a flaw

Kek didn't even notice.

>now you prove it
I mean, you obviously like Star Wars. That alone tells me you're a manchild with terrible taste. It's not out of the question to assume you'd enjoy the same tired story but with a penis on top instead.

>not posting the entire copypasta

you fucking blew it

>Like everybody was for the prequels right?
That is Sup Forums's current cope, yes.

>all of the fags responding just flat out pretend he means adult Anakin
Literally incapable of defending the Anakin Sue. Literally seething.

His X-Wing translated it into text on a screen

>presumption/personal attack/presumption

wow, show me more of your fantastic arsenal.

isn't it kinda ironic in the entire time you are trying to accuse us as spiteful basement dwellers, you are the only one who provides no evidence to support your argument and also shows no intent to have a civilized discussion?

>entire point of the character is that hes a ridiculous gary stu power fantasy constantly fighting completely over the top villains in ridiculous situations
>HURR WHYS HE SO PERFECT

>kid Anakin fucked up Dooku in the first movie

what flaw did Luke Skywalker have?

>How dare you omit that there's also a male counterpart
Thanks for proving my point, roasty

even if you put this in a realistic scenario, being a spy is one of the most demanding thing you can be and you won't just send some idiot who have no prior military experience into hostile territory.

all the flaws of a kid

>inexperienced with basically everything because he lives in a desert for all his life
>challenges a superior opponent face to face and get his shit fucked because he's a rash teenager

The whole plot of ESB is revolved around his flaw. He's got huge fear, anger and impatience just like his father. Are you an idiot?

What's wrong with having a flawless character? Do all characters have to have flaws?

SHE HAD NO MAKEUP ON THE SAME PLANET, TRUE HARDSHIP!

>Are women just so insecure they need female characters to be portrayed as perfect beings?
yup, picrelated is all the brainlet women that think Rey is a good character

>What's wrong with having a flawless character?

impossible to write a good story with such a character being your main character unless you have very good writing, which is definitely not the case with the nu-trilogy.

Make no mistake. Sup Forums still thinks the prequels are shit. It happens that nu-SW turned out to be even worse.

women don't want this either. """feminists""" do.

women don't fucking watch movies

Then is him getting beat up and caught in almost every movie part of his plan?

>impossible to write a good story unless you're a good writer
The absolute state of this fucking board.

so what you're saying is that we're in the 80s action hero era for women rn, except that the women don't know they're corny mary sues like these cardboard cutout heroes did and that this type of one dimensional character is """"progressive"""" when its not a guy

Nah, your pieces of shit are terrible in all regards. The new ones are at least enjoyable.

>b-but Sup Forums said
Not your safe space, faggot.

he's wh*Te

Women don't like to be challenged, they want everything delivered on a silver plate, they don't feel guilty for hijacking someone else's hard work. That's why they like these Disney heroine characters.

present an example that's not the new trilogy to support your statement please.

>at least enjoyable

I enjoyed the prequels as an action comedy though, your enjoyment is not really a solid basis for a quality argument.

Bond's an alcoholic womanizing sociopath.