Luke Skywalker. The guy who would not strike down Darth Vader. The guy who resisted the temptation to kill. The guy who would not even pick his light-saber to attack the emperor.
This very same guy. Tries to kill one of his first students (a family member, his nephew). because he thinks he might be toying with the dark side.
What the fuck where the writers thinking.
What if luke did kill him? then what? Luke would have killed Leia and Han's son. How did the writers see that going down? How fucking out of character can you get?
He doesn't try to kill him. He considers it but changes his mind.
Adam Garcia
"Give the audience what we want" Lying Rian Johnson
Parker Martinez
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Levi Sanders
The only thing I don't understand is why and how Luke died.....
Jace Green
He literally swings the fucking lightsaber down at Ben with the intent to kill with a rage face, it's the OP pick
If Ben hadn't blocked, he WOULD HAVE DIED.
This "B-but he regretted it!" argument has absolutely no bearing on the fact that Luke would have killed Ben (and then regretted the act itself, as opposed to merely regretting the failed attempt.)
Nu-Luke is a fucking would-be murderer.
Landon Roberts
The argument is that Luke felt how much to the dark side Ben had fallen, so he thought for a second about killing him. It was not just "toying with the dark side"
William Allen
Because he used all his life powers to project himself some place else. It drained him of all his energy
Nolan Torres
Did you even watch the film? Luke only ignited his light saber, he never swung it.
Chase Murphy
"When I read 8, I told Rian, 'I fundamentally disagree with virtually everything you've decided about my character'," Hamill said. "But it might be a good sign! I was really wrong about [The Force Awakens]." mark hamill
Aiden Lee
>Thought for a second about killing him. >Took out his lightsaber for several seconds, hovered over his bed, and then swung downwards with a "I'M GOING TO FUCKING KILL YOU BEN" face Really made me think
Yes, he does. He swings it down at Ben, who blocks it with his saber. Ben is lying in bed. Prior to this, Luke had activated his saber for several seconds. This is shown in the film.
Stop lying.
Sebastian Wright
Liar.
Brody Rogers
>out of character He is a white male...
Cameron Thompson
No. He doesn't.
That's how Kylo remembers it happening. What actually happens is that Luke turns on his lightsaber in a moment of weakness. Kylo senses this, and wakes up to Luke holding a lightsaber over him and freaks out.
Caleb Parker
JewJew: "Listen George, stop mansplaining, she knows what she is doing, she is a strong independent women." George: "Bring back Jar Jar, trust me." Bitch:"Ray gets super powers right here, strong! The Farce is Female"
Eli Turner
Only in Kylo's retelling you absolute sperg. The final time this flashback is visited, Luke doesn't swing. Confirmed for never having seen the fucking movie.
Hudson White
I miss the EU.
Camden Young
In the next episode cgi Leia is going to be Rey's master, because the force is female remember.
Justin Rodriguez
This. It is in the third flashback we get to see what really happened. And Luke never swung his light saber, it was just Kylo who claimed he did to Rey.
Christopher Perez
If Rey had been the daughter of Palpatine and joined Kylo, it would have been a good film.
Jonathan Flores
So you didn't watch the movie and just saw some out of context gifs? At least learn what you are shitposting about.
William Jenkins
If I was the actor I'd just say "nah fuck it. I quit." They can cgi whatever they want in, but by taking the role and playing the part you are complicit in the destruction of a character. It's like Peter Cullen and the way they handled optimus prime in the bayformers. Sure this shit is only entertainment, and a lot of people do forget this fact, but still, there is some level at which respect should be held for existing characters in order to preserve their place in the cultural fabric of our society. As dumb and art wanky as that may sound, I reckon that having archetypal "good guys" is something that modern entertainment industries seem so blatantly out to erase. And if given the choice between allowing that destruction, but getting cash, and playing no part in it, I'd pick the latter.
Gabriel Baker
>The guy who would not even pick his light-saber to attack the emperor.
But he literally does and Vader blocks him.
Thomas Harris
Thanks
Easton Ortiz
>This. It is in the third flashback we get to see what really happened. And Luke never swung his light saber, it was just Kylo who claimed he did to Rey.
Sometimes it really does feel like half the people complaining on Sup Forums didn't watch the film.
It was really close to being good. It had a lot of weird choices and filler. I preferred TFA.
Adam Evans
Hamill was never wrong.
Thomas Mitchell
The literal character who is the son of the Darth Vader.
The literal character who is constantly tempted by the Dark Side in Episode V.
>no, there's no way he'd even think for ONE SECOND that it might be worth it to kill someone more powerful than anyone's he's ever met
Zachary King
No probs. As says, I did like Hamill, however he's obviously fallen to the lure of the dark side's huge payments to ruin his character.
Eli Martinez
>The guy who would not strike down Darth Vader. He tries this multiple times before the end of the last movie >The guy who would not even pick his light-saber to attack the emperor. He did this too >Tries to kill one of his first students (a family member, his nephew). because he thinks he might be toying with the dark side. He doesn't, he got scared and angry and activated his lightsaber. Then Kylo wakes up and.
Isaiah Howard
>he's obviously fallen to the lure of the dark side's huge payments to ruin his character.
I kekked
Gabriel Scott
dis was da best wan
Oliver Jackson
You realize that was Luke failing and falling to temptation? Same as him attacking Vader qand almost going to the dark
Mason Nelson
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William Hernandez
>Sometimes it really does feel like half the people complaining on Sup Forums didn't watch the film.
You think it's only half? These are neets with no money and no friends to go see the movie with.
Jacob Watson
The outrage over TLJ proves that people on Sup Forums think that their own bizarre headcanons are true. Somebody even claimed that Yoda was out of character despite the fact he spends almost the entirety of his screentime in the OT being a spastic little gremlin.
Charles Cook
I'm glad! Isn't it funny how when you think about it, the parallels between Disney and the empire are pretty huge. You have this monolithic group just going about buying up entertainment media and shitting out insidious cash grabs like battlefront 2 etc, then erasing any trace of media that runs contrary to their current vision. And you have droves of indoctrinated clones doing their bidding, all taken from the remnants of their precursor - in this case, fans of Disney's old cartoons or lucasarts stuff. It's pretty creepy.
Levi Wilson
Why was he considering it? Still out of character
Matthew Martin
>luke erring as a result of fear is out of character you dumb fuckers have no idea what character is
David Torres
how would you know, you haven't watched the movie
Isaiah Martinez
Jesus, do you faggots need every bit of a character motivations spelled out to you they literally are in the movie. Luke had reluctantly agreed to teach a new generation of jedis even though he feared what it could cause if even one of them went to the dark. He had sensed Kylo was moving that way in training and decided to find it out for good when he was sleeping. Then he sensed Snoke had already influenced his mind to an extent that he thought was irredeemable.
Ian Jackson
>Jesus, do you faggots need every bit of a character motivations spelled out to you
Yes.
Eli Davis
>George: "Bring back Jar Jar, trust me." kek Jar Jar would have been a better villain than Snoke at least.
Luke Rivera
WATCH THE FUCKING MOVIE YOU PIECE OF SHIT!
The scene where Luke has darkened eye's is KYLO RENS VERSION OF THE STORY!
Luke later tells the truth, that Luke searched his mind and feelings and felt that he was beyond saving, Snoke already got to him and Ben accepted the dark side. Luke THEN decides to kill him, but changes his mind because he thinks that having even the very thought of killing his own nephew, makes him, Luke, a failure. Problem is his lightsaber was still turned on, Ben wakes up and thinks he's being attacked and shit starts to go down.
Charles Morris
Same way Obi Wan "died" at the hands of Vader. Became one with the force.
Anthony Hughes
>KYLO RENS VERSION OF THE STORY! Why would Luke's be any truer?
Camden Sanchez
Because it's clearly presented that way if you ACTUALLY WATCH THE FUCKING MOVIE
Julian Perez
Died by exhausting all of his power projecting his image halfway across the galaxy, a feat so powerful that even a slave kid on Canto Bight could feel what was going on. Then happened the same with him as did with Kenobi and Yoda.
Michael Parker
>implying Kylo Ren has no motive at all to lie about Luke to Rey
Kayden Walker
You're answering your own question retard, it would be out of character if it was kylos version
Asher Watson
give it up man, this series is fucking dead
im not watching this hot garbage
Henry Bailey
Actually, Kylo Ren just tells it as he experienced it. He woke up in the middle of the night with his master standing over him with the light saber. Kylo reasonably thought he was attacked. It's not like he had the time to chat with Luke afterwards about what really happened. Luke sees himself as a failure because he was one Kylo was supposed to be able to trush, and Luke broke that trust.
Aaron Perez
This. Luke is emo because he failed Ben and then created "Kylo Ren".
Samuel Adams
I would not trust the story of a literal sith lord
Nolan Morales
Yeah, at least he did something.
Kevin Fisher
Oh fuck...
Carson Cox
>oops I trusted my padawan too much >oops I didn't trust my padawan enough OW MY KICK WHEEL TOO MUCH POTTERY
Andrew Robinson
>streamable.com/ko5nl >you have no place in the story. You come from nothing, you're nothing What is this line trying to convey? Are they actually self-aware?
Carson Brooks
what the fuck was the mirror thing with Rey about?
Kayden Clark
Kyle invokes a young Anakin and wants Rey to join him to create a new form of governance beyond Jedi/Sith and Republics and First Orders. He genuinely seems to think he can create something new if Rey joins him.
Rey says, don't do this.
Carter Richardson
This actually looks good. Glad she is a nobody. Everyone expected her to be related In some way. Glad they dodged that cliche
David Johnson
The message:
hate to the family
Elijah Howard
That was literally the entire point of his fucking character arc.
Parker Cox
fuck schlumpf and fuchk the wight men: the movie
Ayden Long
They didn't watch it. They see these streamable clips and think that was it. I'm not defending it because I thought it was bad, just a continuation of the MCU-formula of filmmaking, but the criticisms you see here are completely baseless.
Xavier Lee
not him, but it makes no difference. i saw the film.
if you wake up to see your weird uncle approaching your bed with knife in hand and a dark look on his face, you have every right to get up and make sure he doesn't do anything to you. i think luke should be smart enough to understand this.
the "immediately regretted it" argument makes no difference: he still snuck up with lightsaber in hand.
Caleb Anderson
She's now a full Mary Sue.
It's terrible.
Nathan Bell
How about Rey being the "granddaughter" of Sheev Palpatine?
Probably a reference to Lacan's mirror stage. People fundamentally want to be loved and children need their parents. What Rey sees is only herself, alone. She's no longer a child and doesn't need her parents, but she still desires to be loved. This is why she opens up to Kylo.
Chase Lopez
>the Mary Sue argument
Han is a nobody. He is not related to anyone when he is first introduced.
Oh wait, what's that? He is an original charector? With no previous connections to the sky walker family? And He can fly the millennium falcon perfectly in the first movie?
My god user, this Mary Sue theory goes deeper than I ever could have imagined, how dare they create an original charector with no ties to the sky walkers. Those fucking hacks.
Ryder Long
You miss the point.
If they made her like say, Revan, then her abilities could in TFA could be explained.
A nobody is fine. A nobody that everyone loves, can't fail/has power beyond that of trained Jedi, isn't.
Landon Collins
Neck yourself disney shill
Jordan Cook
>LUCAS: You people have no idea what you're writing about! This plot was already done in A New Hope, look my outline is very clear... >ABRAMS: No no, trust me, this is what the fans want, we're not just remaking it >KENNEDY: SO WHAT IF THE MAIN CHARACTER IS A GIRL WHO'S SMARTER THAN HAN AND LUKE COMBINED? >LUCAS: I can't work with you people.
Kevin Price
are you retarded? the falcon is literally han's smuggling ship
Jonathan Mitchell
>How fucking out of character can you get?
Not that out of character because it didn't actually happen, you absolute mongoloid
William Jackson
Luke completely understands this and fucking apologises to him. He says igniting the lightsaber was a moment of weakness and fully regrets doing that. Kylo had every right to fight back but Luke igniting it is not the same as him swinging it down on him.
Christopher Jenkins
Lol, the proof that shitposters like you don't even watch the movies they shit on.
Caught.
There are 2 versions of this in the movie, you'd know your version is the false one if you did watch it :)
Jacob Thomas
>getting mad about a feature length toy commercial
Matthew White
It fails even at that, the merch line is horrid and mostly consists of barely modified TFA merch. Besides porgs, any new stuff like rose figurines don't get sold whatsoever. Also the amount of different toys manifactured is far less than TFA, much closer to rogue one.
t. /toy/
Nolan Williams
he starts trying to kill him as self-defence, after kylo whips his lightsabre out and tries to hit luke
Jason White
No, Luke doesn't apologize. Kylo even asks Luke "Are you here to apologize? To save my soul?"
Henry Lopez
He literally apologizes for failing him.
Owen Morgan
>Why
He's a fucking white male
>How
White males age is over.
Adrian Barnes
Anakin did it. He helped to kill Jedi who overused The Force, then he killed Emperor who overused The Force and died. No Jedi, no Sith - galaxy is safe and everyone is happy. Basically only Luke and Snoke left as light and dark sides of power. In balance.
>We gotta make Luke more edgy so he's less like Rey and not just Yoda or mistakable as the actual protagonist, because Rey is the protagonist now!
Colton Rivera
>And He can fly the millennium falcon perfectly in the first movie?
Considering it's his ship and it's established he's a smuggler with years of experience yeah I would assume he could.
Jackson Green
Just let Star Wars die its shit everyone will shill it hard starting next week and after 6 months people will all unanimously agree its shit
THANK YOU DISNEY
Caleb Miller
Han isn't a nobody, is presented as an amoral smuggler who you shouldn't mess with. The Millennium Falcon was his ship for years, and he was unreasonably proud of it, AND he was a smuggler. No shit he could fly it perfectly.
Compared that to Rey, who is a scavenger with just the most basic combat training, and complete ignorance about the jedi, the force and of course the Falcon. In the course of the movie, she expertly flies the Falcon at first try, master the jedi mind trick without knowing it existed, and beats the strongest baddie in the galaxy.
Even better compare that to Luke, who had pretty much the same origin (ignoring the prequels). During the first movie he doesn't show more prowess than decent aim, and good flying skills. And in Empire, when he decides that he's good enough and tries to go after the main baddie, he gets toyed with physically and mentally, mutilated, and barely survives.
See the difference? One of these character is a Mary Sue.
Chase Nguyen
AHHH THE DARK SIDE I MUST KILLLL YOUUUUU
Adrian Bailey
You know what this movie felt like? A spectacle and nothing more.
Everything looked amazing, just incredible, but there was just no substance whatsoever. The vision that held together the previous 6 films isn't there.
The script feels like they wrote two lines then folded the page over one and gave it to the next writer as they tried to come up with the next line without any previous context. So much of that film was fluff, you could lint roll 70% of it off and only then would you start to see an improvement in story telling.
I'm actually really disappointed.
Isaac Smith
and even then, the flying skills are actually implied as a genetic trait since Obi-wan tells him that his father was the best pilot in the galaxy
Lincoln Nelson
>people still shilling for this trainwreck Somebody post the WEBM of Snoke's guards fight Ren/Rey