So we know Luke trying to murder Kylo in his sleep is obviously a poor writing decision...

So we know Luke trying to murder Kylo in his sleep is obviously a poor writing decision. But what would you do in the writers' seat, user? Pitch us your idea on why does Kylo go to the dark side, why does Luke stop training Jedi and go into exile?

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Nigga screw that, I'd just do a complete rewrite, turn rey into one of the main antagonists and replace her with a straight white male which was probably the idea for the new trilogies before disney happened. So I'd just bring back george lucas and try to salvage some of his ideas while being a filter to them so it doesn't end up having the same problems as the prequels.

Or maybe they should have written it completely different? WITHOUT Luke, Leia, Han, Chewbacca, Porgs, Superman and Matrix, and green goblin playing god by summoning lightning and burning stuff. Just say "hey there were these guys back then, but the rebellion failed really, all went to shit, the war continues, there, have some new characters, you'll like them, promise, they're just as retarded mary sues as the originals"

Go the EU path, get him seduced by the power and follow it. Get him abused by his father, which was set up in TFA, and make him seek revenge. Actually choose the dark side seeing it as another aspect of the Force (as in prequels). Or have Luke ACTUALLY try to kill him, not just make an oopsie and play it like the end of RotS.

Personally, I'd like to see Luke seeing the cycle and playing his part in Rey's destiny after that, and going to the exile as Yoda did. Go full Campbell.

>why does Luke stop training Jedi and go into exile?

I'd start by having him not do that in the first place

>So we know Luke trying to murder Kylo in his sleep

He doesn't though

OP hasnt seen the film.
If you had you would know exactly what went on.
Unlucky son.

>holding up an ignited lightsaber above a sleeping nephew
>"he didn't mean it though!"

That's the shittiest excuse ever. You can't sneak up to your sleeping relative, unsheathe a knife and hold it above him and say "i didn't mean it!" when the relative wakes up and squares up to fight back.

Kylo goes to the Dark Side because he's not strong with the Force, he's weak with the Force. The Dark Side offers shortcuts to more power. Kylo thinks he should be effortlessly more powerful because he's a Skywalker. But then a young girl (Rey) (who is another Force creation like Anakin) is more powerful than him, a trained Jedi and it makes him seek out power in Snoke out of jealousy.

Luke is just Luke instead of a youngling killer.

>Luke tries to kill Ben
>Han and Leia are sad because hurr durr not even Luke could save him

Did they already forget the shit they wrote in TFA?

I've seen it. And sums it up perfectly. Especially considering Luke believed Space Hitlet still had good in him, but tries to stab his nephew and best friend's son when he shows potential for darkness.

Maybe Uncle Luke wanted to play a around of cave explorer?

If you had you would know this isnt the case.
"shows potential for darkness" - no. Luke sees that kylo has already gone to the dark with snape after looking into his dreams

>be Ben Solo, nephew of the great Luke Skywalker
>big legacy to follow, all eyes on you
>be force sensitive
>go train with your uncle at his new academy
>all the padawans admire you
>yet your force powers aren’t growing or developing
>fall behind all the padawans
>get frustrated that you come from a line of great Jedi warriors but are mediocre at it
>start questioning yourself and your abilities
>can sense your family being disappointed in you
>frustration and anger builds
>snoke appears to you in secret, looking benevolent
>promises to help you expand your powers and become great
>accept
>slowly and quietly slip into the dark side
>grow resentment against Luke, believing he was holding you back
>finally strike against him, destroying his temple in rage and spite
>Luke escapes, feels immensely guilty for what happened

Mirrors Anakin’s journey, so it would truly be POTTERY

What was he doing towards his sleeping nephew then? Luke is a molester.

Now I'm convinced (You) didn't see the film.

12.05 at Sheffield imax. I can post my cinema stub if you like knob rot

Snoke has been manipulating Ben since birth. Luke chides Ben during one day of training, where Ben starts to become a lot more aggressive during a sparring match, maiming and almost killing a pupil. Upset, but not ready to give up on Kylo, he leaves to go seek out Han's advice on what he should do with his son. He leaves the temple in the charge of one of his finest students. When Luke comes back, the temple is destroyed. All of his students have been massacred. He's saddened, rushing over to those hurt and wounded. He sees Ben in the distance, giving him a startling glare from afar and then walking away. He's devastated that he lost Ben and created Kylo Ren.

These.

We see Kylo is a giant pussy in TFA it makes more sense that he was remarkably weak instead of remarkably strong and that jealousy of others sent him down the Dark Side path with Snoke being his guide.

The reality though is that they wanted Luke to do something completely out of character because they wanted to destroy a hero. They are intentionall deconstructing everything built over the hero's journey of the OT, for every OT character. Luke cannot be a good person or a hero because the idea that there are inherently good natured and wise people is problematic when they're trying to push moral relativism with their "grey Jedi" horseshit.

That'd be a good story.

this

doesn't matter that luke instantly regretted it, he still snuck up to a sleeping ben, read his mind, prepared his weapon and wanted to kill him

doesn't matter that he didn't make the swing, he's already shown kylo that murdering him is on his mind

But wheres the diversity user? how can it pass the bechdel test?

Ben was nice kid, he was soft, he was twitching in wierd ways from time to time, but nothing to worry about

one morning, Ben was missing.
- Beeeeeeennnnn !!! Luke shouted.
the kid was nowhere to be found
- hmmm what is that good kiddo up to ?
Look searched through and through, he was about to give up when he saw something... Ben ... His nephew running around the fileds chasing butterflies with his lightsaber
the boy was shouting : "When I kill you, I will have killed the last butterfly"

Luke could not believe it, Ben ... was going full retard, it was out of control, he caught the poor insect, crushed it in his fist. Without letting go of anything, clenched fist, proceeded ro punch the a rock multiple times (butterfly in fist) screaming :
- DIE DIE DIE !!!!!!

- Ben !! Stop this madn...

Ben, still not letting go of anything then dived into the sea, 10ft deep under water, while shouting :
- Drown drown drown !!!

Of course, Luke could only see bubbles and hear a brief "blublulblblblblblblglurugr"

Luke had enough, he force pulled the kid out of the water...

A wet Ben was confused staring at the ground, ...Luke towering over him:

-what was that ?!!!! explain yourself
-sorry uncle I'll never touch the butterf...
-NO !!! I don't care about the stupid butterflies !!!!!
-but uncle Luke ...
-DO you THINK the MILK will appear in a BOTTLE by itself ??? That's it !!! I'm DONE, and YOU'RE done too, that's right, that was the SPARK to lit the FIRE that ACTIVATED the trigger THAT made the BLAST shine up the BLAZE that did EXPLODE into a BOMB which made me MAD !!!!

Ben curled up and stayed there for days, weeks, months ... only eating dirt and some worms

A figure appeared ...
- W-w-w-who are you ? W-w-what do you want - hehehe I am ... Samuel Snokelberg and I can show you POWER !!!!!
- potato ?
- ... No, power
- ...
- I take that as a yes

It's canon

One important thing, the way he stops the laser bolt in TFA shows his powers are defensive. Kylo at his core shields himself and that's also why he's dressed the way he does. That might be because Luke traumatized.

He didnt get the swing in because he stopped. He says he realises then the etent of the situation, but Kylo wakes up, panics and goes for his saber

Luke just thought about maybe being able to fuck out the dark side via Kylos boypussy

>>be Ben Solo, nephew of the great Luke Skywalker
>>big legacy to follow, all eyes on you
>>be force sensitive
>>go train with your uncle at his new academy
>>all the padawans admire you
>>yet your force powers aren’t growing or developing
>>fall behind all the padawans
>>get frustrated that you come from a line of great Jedi warriors but are mediocre at it
>>start questioning yourself and your abilities
>>can sense your family being disappointed in you
>>frustration and anger builds
>>snoke appears to you in secret, looking benevolent
>>promises to help you expand your powers and become great
>>accept
>>slowly and quietly slip into the dark side
>>grow resentment against Luke, believing he was holding you back
>>finally strike against him, destroying his temple in rage and spite
>>Luke escapes, feels immensely guilty for what happened

This.

Also a reverse Padme with Rey dying and bringing Ren to the light would be awesome.

It actually breaks my heart that Mark Hamill genuinely cares about the character of Luke and he signed onto this not knowing what it would be. Luke and Joker are basically his legacy in pop culture, and Luke is getting dragged through the mud. Seeing him in "character" in these webbums is sad. Doing the retarded flip dodges with Kylo, trying to kill a child, being a pathetic old fuck in the rain.

Based on interviews Mark seems to feel the same way but can't fully express it because he's under contract to promote the film. Luke Skywalker, like it or not, was one of the biggest and most significant heroes in Western canon and they pretty much just set about intentionally dragging him down to destroy him and by effect Hamill as his face.

^^ This

Wouldn't want any character development now would we? They have to be like comic-book characters

Maybe Leia was too hard on him as a kid to the point of abuse and neglect. Han was nice to him, but never really helped him, which made Ben hate him even more.

Leia was happy to just hand him off to Luke, who didn't want to appear to be a nepotist, so he kind of neglected him as well. Ben never really had anything except raw power, which he used to impress his fellow students, which was the only Tim ehe felt somewhat loved. Eventually, he couldn't resist indulging in dark side powers to do so. At that point his fellow students became afraid of him and started treating him like an outcast. Ben's only way to vent was to saber up the school.

>Luke doesn't feel or anticipate or understand Kylo is being manipulated
>Multiple other Jedi younglings
>Luke leaves the younglings with a non master to seek advice about a Jedi issue from Han "never around" Solo.
You couldn't make him more inept if you tried.

Ok, I watched TLA last night but only now it hit me. Luke said that he doesn't give a fuck about Resistance, New Order or Kylo in this one and tells everyone to fuck off, right? So why the fuck he left secret map to find him in R2? Did I miss something? Anybody can explain, because it looks like they completly changed idea how to show Luke between making movies.

*TLJ

Classic case of Luke botches an attempt to molest kylo. Kylo felt disgusted with himself and couldn't face his parents, he became angry all the time and Luke went into exile bc he didn't want to get caught. Basically how every kid/teen in Hollywood relates to the pedos on power.

What I'd do is quite simple. Luke doesn't want to train Kylo Ren. He goes "No, it's okay. You don't have the potential." He does this because his nephew has a natural affinity for the Dark Side of the Force, and training him would be a massive clusterfuck.

But Snoke contacts him, and makes an offer: You can be powerful. You're not a nobody, you have a grand and terrible destiny ahead of you. You are destined for great things. After all, you're the grandson of Darth Vader.

So Ren goes for it.

I can't help but feel that if this had happened, people would just bitch about retreading old ground, especially on this board.

>why does Luke stop training Jedi and go into exile?

I would completely get rid of the bullshit. Luke should be a general in the New Republic.

yeah
why didn't disney just call us user?
we are better writers

This. A bit offtopic, but when watching BR2049 I loved how every side character reference Deckard like this legendary blade runner. Right untill the point when this confused old fart
in showed up wearing a t-shirt, and ruined all this build up.
"Show, don't tell" concept works only if you have something worthwhile to show, not washed up disinterested old men and CGI dead cokewhores.
This "passing the torch" meme should be done more subtle and way less cringy.

Woah, this way Luke can still feel the guilt for abandoning his nephew, and not come off like a murderous sociopath.

Stop with this meme, it adds nothing to the discussion. Everyone here already thinks "diversity is bad" so you're just preaching to the choir while simultaneously crowding up the thread. Just stop it self-hating nigger

Here's how I would fix it:
>no Leia superman. instead she uses the force to create a shield around her and other commanders to deflect the blast. She still gets hurt but saves people. It looks less stupid while still demonstrating what they wanted
>the light speed kamikaze attack is nerfed. She hits snokes ship and explodes it but without that humongous explosion that destroys everything else too. Solves the huge plothole the original scene created of "Why don't they do it all the time?"
>Rey doesn't come to Kylo on the ship, instead they meet elsewhere. Snoke found her location through the Force connection and sent Kylo and the Knights of Ren to capture or kill her. She's joined by Finn and another soldier guy/girl that gets introduced INSTEAD of the chinese girl. The whole Casino thing is completely eliminated.
>The Kylo vs Luke thing happens but with Snoke and ACTUAL Luke (no projection). They face off but both get blasted backwards at the climax and the First Order retreats when BACKUP ARRIVES (the one they sent the signal for)
>The Knights of Ren fight is epic with Rey fighting Kylo and the rest of the knights chasing the two others through some epic maze or some shit. They fire at them but obviously the Knights are superior. Poe shows up and manages to evacuate Finn and that other guy/girl but Rey stands behind. We get a scene between her and Kylo and are left unsure if she turned or not (he still proposes the same thing -- forget everyone else and let's join up)

I thought that would literally be the story based on the first movie

itt: two anons come up with the same idea on how to more competently craft character motivation than paid professionals in a board room full of people meant to do just that

Ben learns the history of the jedi and sith and sees how it's affected his family and the universe. Sets out to destroy both the Jedi and sith. To do this he has to kill his mentor and he isn't strong enough so he uses snoke who is trying to rebuild the sith to grow his own power while also getting close to snoke so he can eventually kill him

Luke ties Kylo Ren down and preforms some ancient painful ritual to remove the force from him.

Kylo escapes

It would have been so easy. For starters, make Snoke the result of some arcane Sith experiment by Palpatine to awaken the literal embody of the Dark Side and trap it inside the corpse of a long death Sith Lord (original leaks about Snoke living in some kind of literal crypt and being like Nosferatu were awesome and they should have gone with those to reinforce this theme)
Then have Snoke take control of the Knights of Ren, who are revealed to the Rogue One team after being tortured and converted to the Dark Side (the movie was an inaccurate account by the Rebellion to maintain hope, hence the many inconsistencies and problems)
Then have Snoke, who they revealed to be fucking with Kylo since birth, to when the time is right, send the Knights of Ren to kidnap him and slaughter Luke's Jedi temple, like we see in the vision.
Then Luke goes after Snoke for YEARS, chasing him across the galaxy until he finally reaches Achtoo, where Snoke is looking to collect the last Jedi texts of knowledge and connect himself to the Dark Side (he needs to do this periodically to keep his body from deteriorating and Achtoo is like Dagobah in that regard) where Luke confronts him, they duel, and Luke cuts Snoke's head with his lightsaber, hence the giant scar. Then Snoke destroys Luke's X-Wing and uses those weird purple fucks he has by his side to chart an interdimensional hyperspace jump to escape Luke entirely. Luke sends out a transmission with his coordinates which gets intercepted by the FO, and then stolen by Poe and then he's forced to land on Jakku because the FO has the planet in quarantine. Cue the plot of TFA because instead of being a hermit fuck because he's salty and depressed, he's literally stuck on the planet and is waiting to be rescued. There, Luke's character is still intact and the plot remains the same.

I honestly can't think of a better way to have Kylo decend to the dark side this user put it best but then people would have critised on its pottery and wanted something different.

I had a full fanfic written out as to how I would have done things differently but ultimately I can't put it together to be any better then the movie itself did in time for this thread to be archived. I'll say this OP props to this thread as an actual starting off point in discussing the film.

Luke is the creepy uncle, why is anyone surprised?

>Luke sees that kylo has already gone to the dark
Vader went dark for decades and slaughtered half the galaxy, and he still didn't try to kill him

this is great

Also
>Luke never tries or thinks to kill Kylo. Instead, he follows Kylo one night and finds him with Snoke. He attacks and easily overpowers Snoke but Kylo interferes and Luke realizes he's already failed. Snoke slithers away and Kylo runs and burns the temple with his followers.
>Snoke is revealed to be a Voldemort-esque figure who drains power from others. In that flashback he's incomplete and weakened but has since grown in strength. We get hints of how he actually gets his power through disturbing screams of people that Kylo brings to him so he can drain them.

Postermoderism is poison to civilization

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Id rewrite the shitshow to just go full sperg

They fucked up by not having an american english speaker playing rey

i mean good god, english english is fucking rough on the ears

That'd be too close to the truth goyim and they'd shut it down

This also works. Really there were a ton of ways to do it properly and Disney didn't give a shit.

>ben you must drink the sloth milk to become my apprentice
>i-i dont want to
>ben you must do it
>n-no
>BEN DRINK YOUR MILKIES
And then there was the time that Luke filled his entire room with dead Porgs

>Jedi temple still new maybe 1 or 2 generations graduated and become teachers
>Snoke is one of the teachers who is actually a sith in disguise
>Slowly tempts Ben to the darkside
>Snoke then overthrows the Jedi Temple with Ben and some students (who will later wear weird red armor)
>Luke feels a failure because he couldn't detect Snoke like how the Jedi Masters couldn't detect Sheev

This works as well.

Snoke being a Jedi or "Grey Jedi" was one of my favourite theories but they completely wasted such a good potential storyline

>why does Luke stop training Jedi and go into exile?
making luke throw up his hands and go off to drink sloth milk while the galaxy is threatened is always going to be shit, no real way around it. having him blame himself and his inexperience as a teacher after ben falls to the dark side is fine, but rather than moping in exile i would have him give up teaching to travel the outer rim incognito, both as a journey to meditate on the force and as a way to track the first order with the ultimate goal of saving kylo (because really his unwillingness to try to fix that mistake is the most egregious part of tlj in terms of going against the character). the conflict would then still be rey following on his heels trying to get him to accept another apprentice, but it'd be more of a wuxia wandering unassuming master thing

They would. They would whine and moan for months. They would go to bed each night saying Star Wars is dead. They'd think there's no way it could be worse.
And they'd be blissfully ignorant of how bad it actually could be.

>Sheffield
Fucking state of you lad

You clearly haven’t seen the film m8 if you think those webms are Luke in this film

Yeah he couldnt do anything else. Hey FBI I think this might definitely be a school shooter in the making here

Oh shit sorry are they Luuuke?

Why is it even bad that Luke wanted to kill Kylo before he grew up and became more powerful?

Better end it right there while he's little