Imagine a Marvel 616 where >the general public does not hate everything with a passion >The governments are not all entirely evil >Heroes fight bad guys and not each other >People are generally happy to see heroes triumph and save the day
Wouldn't that be fun?
Nathaniel Reyes
Mc2 did it.
Old marvel never.
Ian Stewart
No, see Hellcat, Squirrel Girl and Champions.
Adam Clark
Those are sjw comics. Diff.
Aaron Brown
With all the crap DC takes The MCU is actually as much as dark as they are. They just quip from time to time Only gotg, antman are the kiddie movies
Josiah Roberts
Mc2 was great! Spider-Girl is the best girl.
Levi Cooper
Sjw boogie men or not, they are still presented as mostly light hearted and fun, why else did we get an issue about the Champions playing paintball and paling around?
Michael Miller
I'm not entirely sure Marvel and its writers know how to do that any more without being the shit said... Is it so crazy to want stories that aren't devolved in bullshit event stuff or are so lolsorandum that you don't even give a shit anymore?
They seriously need to rethink their flagship books, having weird tertiary books and whatnot isn't that big a deal if you can make the main titles things people actually want to read, like heroes actually acting like heroes and fighting bad guys.
Leo Cox
nobody was talking about movies, go back to Sup Forums faggot.
Bentley Martin
Lightheart stuff can sell. It's the sjw themes tjat turn off people.
Plus people want marvel characters with flaws and banter.
Liam Perez
So less like the real world then?
Isaiah Wilson
We actually got a few fun light hearted comics recently, I don't think we need too many more than what we have
Spider-Man and Deadpool Spider-Man Renew Your Vows Gwenpool Howard The Duck Rocket and Groot Ms Marvel
Austin Mitchell
The tone of mc2 is the same as earth ones tone.
Brandon Garcia
what the fuck is mc2
Camden Howard
I actually wonder if it was the popularity of X-Men that did this
X-Men always had to have evil governments sending giant robots to go kill kids and scientists experimenting on random citizens. While also pushing the general public wants them all dead narrative. As well as the all other heroes hate them and do not trust them thing.
I actually wonder if the X-Men becoming huge in the 90's and being a lot of people's introduction to Marvel was a large part of making the general setting dark as shit compared to their older stuff.
Owen Adams
I AM pretty god damn tired of these guys fighting each other.
Mason Hill
Marvel was always that way. Heroes vs heroes was common. So was the public hating xmen, hulk, mutants, spiderman.
Hulk vs thing is old. Spiderman would get into fights with daredevil at first. Namor vs Ff.
Fans want marvel to be like old dc from the 60s. Which it never was
Cooper Turner
I don't ever remember Spider-Man fighting Daredevil back in the day, he fought Punisher but that's only because Frank was supposed to be a heel.
Daniel Ward
Why take away what made Marvel stand out from the first place? Just read silver age DC.
Jordan Morris
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Benjamin Johnson
>Old Marvel never... C'mon, user.
Adrian Morris
Wow, Peter is just attacking a blind man, what the fuck Pete? What's the context here?
Jaxon Martin
Yeah, Punisher started off as the Jackal's unwitting tool.
Kayden Rogers
I got over 100 images of fights. Gonna be slow to upload them.
Gavin Gray
>blind man It's clearly a ginger, and that makes it okay.
Elijah Ward
Heroes having disagreements and fights is one thing, and can be done well. But when every single disagreement becomes a year long event that fucks up all other books, it's just annoying. Especially when there is one every fucking year.
Daniel Lewis
no.
marvel is going to support this* worldview.
and there is nothing you can do about it.
*see pic
Bentley Hernandez
Boooopp
James Robinson
This page is hilarious
Sebastian Lopez
Been done for decades.
Just people crying for crying sakes.
Leo White
Theres a pretty fucking big difference between two singular heroes having an arc about them fighting/etc.. and events where almost EVERY hero is fighting each other for some idiotic reason for most of the year, every year.
Sebastian Brown
You can tell OP is an idiot who's only watched the movie because they think Marvel was at any point not about any of the things listed.
Hudson Edwards
Used to be montly.
It's a marvel staple. Should I bust out Thor vs Spiderman?
Hulk vs Ironman?
Lincoln Baker
>It's a marvel staple. Should I bust out Thor vs Spiderman? >Hulk vs Ironman? Namor vs anyone is always welcome.
Kayden Scott
70's X-men is way more space adventure and superhero action oriented than anything else; anti-mutant stuff is there, but it isn't all there is. Hell, the X-Men clash with the leafs as much as with the US gov't.
Also the character Scott, Prof X and the Beast have all been character assasinatd beynd recognition.
Jackson Perez
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Jackson Garcia
Cyclops being a dick to wolvie is nothing new. Plus character progression.
Samuel Bell
I mean, It's still been terrible more lately then ever. people are just trying to pin down why.
Evan Flores
I don't actually mind it so much, except when everyone is an unlikable jerk or it goes on too long. There is way more of it in the latter 70's on than before.
Bentley Baker
There was not a comic wide event happening every year for decades. there were a lot of crossovers, but those were not affected the entire Marvel line. And an occasional event like Secret War or Infinity Gauntlet, but those were mostly set pretty wide apart. But the yearly event taking over the every book started with House of M in 2005.Then there was Annihilation, Civil War, World War Hulk, Annihilation Conquest, Secret Invasion, Siege, Dark Reign, Fear itself, Schism, Avengers vs X-Men, Infinity, Original Sin, Axis, more Secret Wars, Civil War 2, Inhumans Vs. X-Men. That's 18 big events in 12 years. And that isn't including all the X-Men mini events that mostly just involve them. This is not something that has always been going on for decades.
Nolan Thomas
Nah it's just people wanting to whine about stuff that was always there. Reminds me of wrestling fans contriducting themselves or not remembering the past right.
Only mcu and mc2 had the tone of what op is suggesting.
Events with heroes been there since early 80s.
I think its the events they complain about but they sell. Makes more sense to reduce tie ins.
Anyway marvel has no new event for 18 months plus.
Benjamin Walker
What a horrifying mess marvel has become. it was better when Jews ran it.
Carson Turner
>two quotes, responds to niether. Goodnight, baitlord.
Oliver Reed
Except it's not the 70 anymore. Plus the same old fans can't remember it right.
Very bizarre.
Mason Kelly
>it was better when Jews ran it. What did he mean by this?
Noah Sullivan
Only baitlord is you. Go back on bleedingcool and whine about things that are the norm.
Mason Torres
Why did you quote me? Are you a retard?
Easton Watson
(((We're))) Better.
Daniel Thompson
>go back Sure, kid.
Eli Roberts
Only retard is you. Buncha retarded babies getting the past wrong.
You getting harvey comics mixed up with Marvel.
Carter Anderson
No, seriously why did you mean by that because Marvel is ran by Ike Perlmutter (jew) and is owned by Disney whose CEO is Bob Iger (jew). And as far as I know Ike doesn't respond to someone else.
Charles Ortiz
Sure braindead hipster. The marvel you wanted never existed. Only in your faulty brain damaged mind.
Caleb Moore
>MCU fag I should have known.
Andrew Williams
Scathing, user. Scathing.
Austin Young
>Anyway marvel has no new event for 18 months plus.
They have on running right now that won't end for months though. Even if they stick to that promise it'll mean less than one year with an event.
Oliver Allen
Secret Empire isn't even out yet. and Mutants of Mass Destruction comes out while that's going on.
Gavin Hernandez
I just want Shield to Fuck off it's like police, fbi, and cia don't even exist anymore
Parker Taylor
Ate you reading Ms. Marvek and Moon Girl, OP? Because it's exactly what you're looking fir.
Hell, the katest arc of Moon GGirlis basically her being tutored by adult heroes.
Landon Rodriguez
You are the mcu fan. Describing what op want is mcu.
Im describing actual marvel.
Retard.
Luke Reed
Post fall none for 18 months. Only snaller events with less ties in.
Like spiderman family only.
James Cooper
I think it is an issue people are complaining about now because of all the huge events consisting of nothing but heroes kicking other heroes' asses.
Before it was always a few panels in a single issue before they settled it then went on to go fight the bad guy
Levi Lee
This is why I think it is a post 90's thing when they really played up the whole sentinels/evil government thing
Parker Lee
Are you saying Avengers vs X-Men, X-Men vs Inhumans, Civil War, Civil War II, Dark Reign, and Secret War were not flawless storytelling?!