Ehy is Rey immune to criticism?

Ehy is Rey immune to criticism?

I usually see this whataboutism from the hardcore MAGA crew

there was a lot of mental gymnastics in that thread to defend Rey; whataboutism with Anakin in the prequels-which were shit, and somehow overlook all these highly trained skills that just..... developed before the movie's timeline

they're all mary sues
people complain because they're shit.
not because they're female

Luke, Anakin, Rey they are all mary sues.

>Darth Vader was a Mary Sue

varying degrees of mary sue, Rey is the worst, followed by little Anakin, and then Luke

but not Rey

Yeah, Luke Skywalker, the immature kid who knew basically nothing, got his ass handed to him by Vader in ESB, started off weak and foolish, didn't know anything about space or the rebellion, is totally a Mary Sue

>anakin
>committing mass murder and infanticide
>luke
>literally lost every fight he was in

Is Alex forgetting that Luke rescued Leia, and showed up as the apprentice the legendary Jedi knight Obiwan Kenobi that Leia saw as the rebellions only hope?

>I used to fly a ship made by the same company that made the xwing and I was able to hit rats that were 2 meters wide

Bugmen literally have no idea what a mary sue is. How the literal fuck are Anakin or Luke characters based on the creators wish fulfillment?

>Anakin
>Mary Sue
HE FUCKING DID EVERYTHING WRONG

Hey, Luke beat the Wampa and the Rancor.

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eh, in the first movie he was

Luke
>foster parents murdered horribly
>fucks up his training
>never won a lightsaber fight
>only understands the force at the end when he reaches a zen like moment
>still struggles with the concept

Anakin
>never saved his mother
>went crazy
>only light saber fights he won were against kids he murdered
>loses two limbs and burns horribly in lava
>loses wife

Mary Sue != someone who does cool shit.

It's specifically about a character that is ridiculously capable, without any of the development or story to justify it. Nothing Rey did, by itself, was 'Mary Sue'-tier, it's what she did combined with who her character is shown to be.

Luke didn't defeat Darth Vader in A New Hope. In fact, he watched helplessly as his master was cut down. Those feelings of helplessness and complete failure were motivators for the cool shit he would go on to do.

Lol, Anakin was a professional pod-racer, had been doing it since he could walk.
Flies a spaceship on autopilot, wow such mary sue.

Is trained for YEARS by the Jedi order, still not super powerful, wow such mary sue.

Also Luke Skywalker was totally fucking useless for a long time, the only thing he didn't suck at was shooting at small things because he used to hunt from a speeder.
Literally not even close to the same thing.

Sup Forumsbabies btfo by based rey

>never won a lightsaber fight
he beats Vader in RotJ

It's like they don't even understand what the phrase means.

Rey is a Mary Sue because she seemingly lacks any substantive flaws. Luke and Anakin are both complex characters with real flaws which they have to overcome.

he also had never finished a race....

The thing is, you can see markers where they attempted to give Rey flaws.

She's clearly lonely and a little naive. It's why she latches onto Han almost immediately. But they never make it into anything more than a quirk. Like the writers had this original idea but were told to scale it back because stronkwomyn.

>Luke is a Gary Stu
>Has to consistently prove himself for the validation of others
>Meanwhile Yoda burns all of the books cause lol ray dont need that shit THE FORCE IS FEMALE

>expanded universe
You know half of that shit was written only to retroactively patch plot holes in the films

Yoda didnt burn the books you fucking retard Rey has them on the Falcon
Try actually paying attention

>Luke
>Lucas
Hmm...

Alright

>I used to fly a ship with combat features as was able to hit rats 2 meters wide

It's not just about being good with the force etc though (which Rey is still the most inexplicably good at). It's about character flaws in general, which the other 2 both have. Rey is so lacking flaws she's completely uninteresting, not compelling at all. I don't even know what character traits you'd associate with her, just good at everything. It's also abundantly clear that unlike anakin they're NOT taking her down the evil route so she's dull on that front too. And this is coming from a non SW fan, couldn't care less, it's just objectively true she's a Mary Sue.

Do they even know what the definition of Mary-Sue is? It makes them look like actual retards when they use the term in this context. The only Mary-Sue on the list is Rey because she has no personality or talent based flaws. Luke was a whiny faggot for the first two movies, Anakin was a whiny faggot for the first three movies, and both of them sucked badly at what they did until the last film of their trilogies.

Exactly. She didn't HAVE to be a Mary Sue, but whether because of a social agenda or just impatience to make her marketable as the face of the franchise, they've made her into one.

That's not EU, it's straight from the first film: "I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-15 back home. They're not much bigger than two meters." The only part that might be EU is the T-15 and X-Wing having the same manufacturer.

But simply being a good shot (implicitly from long practice) is not by itself an indication of a Mary Sue.

The Champions of NuWars will not allow it.

>this somehow is supposed to make people magically ignore him being ten times the faggot he was in ESB

fuck off. Anakin and Luke had training. Rey somehow is magically a boss force user, that's literally the definition of what a mary sue is- perfect without training or time or development... etc.

> Luke was a whiny faggot for the first two movies
More specifically, he was severely impatient, and his impatience (combined with a touch of hubris), directly leads to him losing his hand and nearly dying in the first duel with Vader. It also makes him susceptible to angry outbursts, which nearly lead to his turning to the dark side in the final duel with Vader. It's only by overcoming these flaws that he's victorious in the end.

His father has essentially the same problems, and has to ultimately be taught by his son how to overcome them. That, at least, legitimately is like poetry. A redemption story like that is the polar opposite of a Mary Sue, and anyone who can't see that isn't using their brain.

>muhsoggyknees
absolute state of star wars fans

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>luke and anakin children of strong force users, anakins dad was literally the force
>rey the daughter of literal who's, still dont know if they were force users
>luke and anakin good at normal people stuff unknowingly tapping into the force to help them
>pod racing and piloting well
>rey fixes shit well...so thats fine
>neither luke nor anakin evrn battle with a light saber in their first movies
>rey battles and wins in first movie...beating a skywalker who has had training
>luke and anakin continue trainibg in their second movies and battle with light sabers but get bested by bad guy (vader and duku)
>rey continues to battle and win everyone she fights
>rey also uses jedi mind tricks in her first movie even going so far as to unnerve a skywalker who has had training

Jesus

lol, wat? Mary Sue is someone who has no character development, spends no time on training/honing skills yet is perfectly capable of using almost perfect skills (moving mountains with the force when Yoda didn't even do that) and defeating super powerful enemies without any struggle. It's fanfiction tier stuff.

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would like to unpack that sentence, user? Ah yes, you can't.

Anakin got his powers given to him from palpy when he raped the force and gave em to him
Luke got his powers from his bloodline
Rey has no bloodline advantages and somehow this makes her a mary sue???

probably because the criticism is just "mary sue"

Luke is not even slightly a Mary Sue.

i retract that as good points in the thread have been made

nice try faggo

Luke
>Farm boy with potential
>Guidance by Obi Wan
>Spends first movie largely BTFO
>One lucky shot with help from Han and Ben's ghost

>Second movie gets taught by Yoda
>Visible slow improvement
>Hasty decision to fight Vader
>Gets BTFO
>Loses hand

>Third movie
>The buildup is complete and he is now a skilled force user
>In the climactic battle he just barely defeats Vader
>Then uses morality and spares him
>Gets saved by Vader

A complex character that visibly gets better over time but also gets defeated at multiple points. This is classic storytelling, the hero's journey. It's literally the opposite of a Mary Sue.

Rey
>No practice
>No training
>No flaws
>Defeats powerful force users physically and mentally
>Master lightsaber user for no reason
>Gets mild guidance from Luke for 2 days
>Now the most powerful force user in the galaxy

IT'S JUST THE SAMEEEEEE LMAOOOOO

>people still think that mary sue = being highly proficient at something

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> Anakin beats Vader in return of the jedi

Anakin only defeated Dooku, dude.

Anakin defeated
>dooku
Vader defeated
>younglings and random jedi
>had clone army at this back
Honestly, Sheev should have stuck with Dooku. At least he could use lightning. Vader just got a lame choke

Why milk a multi multi billion dollar franchise, when you could save time?

checkmate misogynists

see

we have an objective analysis weighing in

Vader was easier to manipulate so Sheev could sit on his ass and do nothing for 20 years

Don't forget getting bullied in the cantina

Hmmm...that's true. Dooku was already conspiring against the Sidious and tried to get Obi-Wan to be his apprentice.
Shit. Vader was kind of a bitch, wasn't he?

>>She's clearly lonely and a little naive

lonely is a feeling,not a flaw
naive is like the most vanilla flaw ever, and even then she's a hardened trader/scavenger on Jakku so I can't even call her that.

>Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader, a lord of the fucking sith who slaughtered children and innocents was a mary sue

luke went through so much hardship, trials that reveal his strengths and weaknesses and continually tested him throughout the movies until the very end, where he is rewarded for his journey and becomes a jedi knight.
rey is more like a super hero who discovers her abilities out of nowhere and starts doing heroic deeds with no real repurcussions, no journey, just her saving the day with all her already acquired skills.

Vader wanted Luke for his apprentice, and to eventually go up against Sheev with him. See Empire for the dialogue.

If you're going to assault the largest battle station in existence then you would be taking every person you could get. That person tweet implies the exact opposite. How fucking retarded are these people?

I know, but that was years after. Dooku was already planning from the start.
lmao vader got choke - he got the power that his mom shmi was doing to all those sandpeople, knaw what i meen?

this fucker and his 'sexism' and 'misogyny'. nobody cares that Rey is female, they hate her because she's a shitty character.

this fucker can't accept that so he pulls the sexism card even though it doesn't exist.

high ground >>>> mary sue

get off twitter you faggo

Eh reh, eh reh, eh rehhhhh
do do doo doo

Be honest, it's because she's a guuuurl. I'm right wing and I hate her because she's a gurl.

Luke
>nearly killed by sand people has to be rescued by Obi-Wan
>consistently fails at his training with Obi-Wan because he's impatient and immature
>mentor is then killed
>given an X-Wing because he's a decent pilot and because of his connection to Obi-Wan(the rebellions only hope)
>is nearly killed by Vader and has to be saved by Han Solo
>with the help of Obi-wan and the force, manages to pull off an amazing shot and destroy the death star

>has to retreat from Hoth
>fails many times in training with Yoda because he's impatient
>fails to pull his X-Wing from the swamp
>goes to fight Vader despite not being ready
>gets defeated and his arm cut off, loses his lightsaber
>loses his friend

>fails to defeat Vader until he gives into his anger(like palpatine wanted him to) and just barely beats him
>then gets nearly electrocuted to death by palpatine
>has to be rescued by his dad

Luke's entire story is failing and having to be rescued by someone else. Not a mary sue.

Anakin is space Jesus. Luke was a pussy who needed help all the way. Rey is a confirmed nobody.