Let's discuss truly reprehensible people in the comics industry.
And no, none of those "HE TURNED MY FAVORITE CHARACTER INTO A WOMAN, BAAAAAW" bullshit, I'm talking the sort who embezzled company funds, blatantly stole others' work, and were general unrepentant shitbags to the people around them.
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>"Bob had gotten to the point where he never drew anything. Never drew anything on the Batman comics, anyway. [Sheldon] Moldoff was ghosting them all and when he didn't, someone else did. The only thing I think Bob ever drew was when we'd be out somewhere, in a restaurant or someplace, and a pretty girl would come over to him and say, 'Are you really the man who draws Batman?' Then he could whip out a little sketch for her, a big sketch if she was wearing something low-cut and would bend over to watch him draw.
>One day I'm over at his house to discuss this newspaper strip idea we had and he's talking about who we might get to draw it. I was going to write it and we were going to get someone else to draw it. I'm not sure what Bob was going to do on it except sign his name. I said to him, 'Bob, isn't it disappointing to you that you don't draw any more? You were once such a great artist.' He wasn't but you had to talk to Bob that way.
He said, 'Oh, no. Let me show you something.' >He took me into a little room in his house. It was his studio. I didn't even know he still had a studio. It was all set up with easels and things and there were paintings, paintings of clowns. You know the kind. Like the ones Red Skelton used to do. Just these insipid portraits of clowns, all signed very large, 'Bob Kane.' He was so proud of them. He said, 'These are the paintings that are going to make me in the world of art. Batman was a big deal in one world and these paintings will soon be in every gallery in the world.' He thought the Louvre was going to take down the Mona Lisa to put up his clown paintings. I didn't have the heart to tell him.
>So a few months later, I'm up at DC and I ran into Eddie Herron. Eddie was another writer up there and we got to talking and Bob's name came up. Eddie said, 'Did you hear? Bob's getting sued by one of his ghost artists.'
>I said, 'How is that possible? Shelly Moldoff's suing Bob? But they had a clear deal. Shelly knew he wasn't going to get credit or anything...'
>Eddie said, 'No, not Shelly.' Bob was being sued by the person who'd painted the clowns for him..."
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Stan fucking Lee.
How about Byrne?
>On the death of Steve Irwin, "The Crocodile Hunter"
>Okay, time for me to rain on this parade. I didn’t know he had kids. Young kids. This alters the mix considerably. This makes him an asshole. Cops and firemen, to name but two, place their lives on the line every day to protect others. There was nothing Steve Irwin was doing that he could not have done—as did, say, David Attenborough—without putting his life at risk. This takes this from tragedy to stupidity, and, worse, irresponsibility. [16]
>I am glad this asshole is dead. Sorry for his wife and kids, but relieved they are in no further danger from his lunacy!
>This guy should have been taken out of the croc pen, had his kids taken from him, and been thrown in the deepest, darkest, dankest pit the Australian judicial system has to offer. >Preferably after being skinned alive. Asshole is too good a word. (2006) [17]
>When a fan and forum member made the announcement in one of the message board threads that his mother had passed earlier in the day
>No. Sorry, but no. I fully appreciate how much “trouble” I will get into for this, but no. I cannot let this pass without comment. Using the only hours past death of your own mother to make a point about a comic book story? There are not sufficient words in the English language to properly express my disgust. (2008) [19]
Oh, and Byrne also said something along the lines of "He's not a hero, he's in hell" about Christopher Reeve's death but it's missing from Wikiquote for some reason. Still google-able though.
God he was such a fucking wanker he makes Stan look professional.
>9/11:
"Operation Flaming Sword. Find them and kill them. And kill their wives, their children, their mothers, their fathers, their brothers, sisters, cousins, aunts, uncles, butchers, bakers, candlestick makers. Go Super-Israel, and let them know what it feels like to be “at war” with the United States.”
>Pedophilia:
“Pedophiles are almost certainly “born that way”. Again, we go to evolutionary conditioning. Seek the youngest, strongest, most healthy, for breeding purposes. A sure (or as sure as it gets) way to guarantee the survival of your genes. Pedophilia also brings along a big heaping helping of learned responses, however. In a society like ours, where “normal” sex is considered by many to be filthy and disgusting, “abnormal” sex is of course even moreso. “Abnormal” in this case meaning anything—even simple physical attraction—that is not “age-appropriate”, heterosexual, and strictly for procreation. Preferably missionary position. Thus, any confused individual who finds himself attracted to young girls is likely to find himself attracted to increasingly younger girls, as part of his pattern of self-loathing. So much emotional torment—in victims and victimizers—would surely be set aside if our society was sexually liberated enough to even be able to say 'Sure, it’s okay to be attracted to eleven year olds.'"
>Comics marketed toward mature audiences
“I repeat, bullshit. Pull your head out of your ass for a moment and look at this not as a long time comic book reader, but as a civilian. This looks like a comic book, feels like a comic book, smells like a comic book, tastes like a comic book. No “uninitiated” person is going to look at this and think “Ah! This lurid cover illustration indicates this book must be intended for mature readers!” They are going to think “Look what they are selling to my children!!”* And those children are going to think “Co-o-o-o-o-o-ol!!!”
>And lastly, on Reeves:
“I have noticed that people have begun referring to Christopher Reeve as a hero. I do not wish to take away one iota of the courage he must have needed not to wake up screaming every single day, but the hard truth is there was nothing heroic in what happened to him or how he dealt with it… In fact, as far as how he dealt with it he didn’t even have a choice. We could imagine he spent every hour of every day when not in front of the cameras begging family members to simply kill him and get it over with—but none of them did so he had no choice but to deal with each day as it came. Heroism I believe involves choice."
I don't know what he's even saying about pedophiles.
He also was one of the few creators in the 80's who spoke out AGAINST Kirby's demand for fair money and credit paid to past creators, stating that they should "live within the rules while they're around".
... Byrne needs to stop talking.
Considering his prior work, I'm pretty sure he's defending it, citing it as a natural and evolutionarily healthy practice unfairly persecuted by our sexually conservative society.
Or some shit like that, I'm just guessing, since he's just kind of spewing words out of his horrible mouth to try to justify being a kid diddler.
Again, Byrne needs to stop talking. Forever.
Explains why he so viciously shat on the New Gods every chance he got.
Does Rob Liefield & Todd Mcfarlane count?
>Find them and kill them. And kill their wives, their children, their mothers, their fathers, their brothers, sisters, cousins, aunts, uncles, butchers, bakers, candlestick makers. Go Super-Israel, and let them know what it feels like to be “at war” with the United States
why are nerds so vindictive
Too weak/scared to vent their anger properly, so have a lifetime of repressed nerdrage that causes them to be extra vicious, especially in matters where they don't have to do any of the dirty work.
How did such an asshole write such a good Superman origin?
As far as I know, neither of them are particularly huge assholes. The both helped form Image which, while hardly a quality brand, was at least founded with the intention of allowing creators to own their work.
Macfarlane's gone the Jim Davis route, being more involved in business and managing his brand. Although like Davis he might have credited himself for art his employees do. Liefeld may be a shitty artist, but he at least gives off some "lovable idiot" vibes in interviews.
And he had Big Barda, who was based on Kirby's wife, get mind controlled into shooting porn with Superman as 'revenge'.
For all his artistic flaws, all I've heard about Liefield paints him as a nice guy who genuinely loves the medium.
>and a pretty girl would come over to him and say, 'Are you really the man who draws Batman?
Im calling bullshit.
I think Liefeld is the most over-hated guys in comics. The guy broke out when he was literally 16 years old and doodling in his high school text books, and even then he was more of a workhorse for Image than guys twice his age. He was a gigging artist who jumped at an opportunity any other artist would have stepped over their own brother to get, and he's really not any worse than any schlub artist the big 2 hire today. His art's not my thing, personally, but I really don't see why he seems to have attracted so much of a hate cult around him.
It's just "stop liking what I don't like," cranked up to 11.
I've read claims from dudes whomsay theu quit reading comics because of liefield. Comics readers are... Something.
He's responsible for many of the most ridiculed trends in 90's comics art.
Then again, why people don't just laugh about it, I don't know. I don't get why nerds take shit so serious.
They do?
No feet and POUCHES are pretty much memes by now.
I fucking love 90s art unironically, though. Sure it's silly, but I don't buy a comic to be bored by it, I buy it to be entertained. I like having fun, and 90s comics art are fun.
Yeah, they are now.
I'm talking about at the time. Think about how much vitriol the bad decisions of today create.
I just have to say 'Ironheart is an OK character concept' and people get angry.
i love the ott character designs from but liefeld lacks a lot of technical skill
Protip: Byrne is a pedophile. Not saying he's acted on it but he totally has the attraction.
That last point is true though.
McFarlane is a shitty writer and a bit of a doofus (though a good artist when he tries), but I've never heard anything negative said about the man himself.
Now, Liefeld on the other hand...
You will nothing but sweet, pleasant stories stemming from interviews and fan interactions, but every person he's ever cultivated a professional relationship with seems to hate his guts (except Kirkman for some reason). The entire industry is rife with stories of him being a lazy prima-donna who traces regularly and turns in everything at least a month late, to say nothing of actually running multiple creators out of their companies because he didn't like how they treated his characters (he got Simone kicked out of Marvel for her pre-meme Deadpool run and Agent X) and childish temper tantrums whenever editorial didn't side with him (threw what can only be described as a shitfit when Shatterstar turned bisexual; like it or not, he adressed the issue with grace of a 7-year-old).
>good
Scumbag or not, he has offered to comics more than most people, and without him the comic book industry would be decades ago.
>bad art, shallow characters, and barely existent storylines are "fun"
That explains a lot about this board.
>bad art, shallow characters, and barely existent storylines
Are you talking about stuff like America, Hellcat, Squirrel Girl, etc or 90s Marvel?
Not defending 90s Marvel by the way.
Al Capp was a rapist/made rape attempts.
I was referring more to the word "fun" itself. 'Fun' is a word that doesn't mean anything anymore, because it's all too often used as a means to deflect criticism. Nobody is actually capable of explaining WHY they like something, opting instead to just blurt out "It's FUN!" as if that's all that's needed. Sorry, but I refuse to turn my brain off and just accept garbage for what it is, so as far as I'm concerned, anyone who still uses the word 'fun' is a drooling retard with no standards.
Li'l Abner use to be one of the most well known news paper strip.
Now a days at best people recognize the Shmoo.
Do you think he's still mad about 9/11? Do you think you can trigger him by saying they deserved it?
>if you can't properly articulate why you enjoy something AND defend its merits against criticism, you are literally mentally retarded
Not to defend Mr. 90's, but are you serious with this shit?
Abso-fucking-lutely. You should be able to say why you like something, because it's really not that hard. It is your opinion after all. If you don't know the specific reasons you like a thing, then you're most likely a total fucking idiot.
What if something is dumb garbage that is good because it's dumb garbage? cough Evil Dead 2 cough.
Irrelevant. What specifically about Evil Dead 2 makes it so bad it's good? What charm is present that made you like it despite finding it lacking in the traditional definition of quality? This is basic shit that only requires a moment's thought, but nobody can fucking do that anymore, and it fucking sucks because it leaves me bored as hell when nobody can offer and stimulating conversation, opting instead to just slap on some nebulous label of "It's fun!".
WHAT MAKES IT FUN, GODDAMMIT?
Fuck you, Byrne. Steve is twice the man you ever were.
That it's made by a creator who never get evolved since his amateur days and fancies himself a horror fan yet is incapable fo creating anything resembling horror. He devolved into """"comedy"""" to hide his misfortunes as a creator. It's a trainwreck and failure as both comedy and a horror movie that making fun of how terrible every single aspect of it is makes it entertaining.
Was that thing about Byrne writing about a 12 year old girl being put under some sort of machine to check if she's pregnant real?
Fuck off, cranky.
See? That wasn't so hard, now was it?
>machine
... As opposed to a pregnancy test you could probably pick up at Walgreens?
It was done by aliens and it was this bigass machine that was attached to her groin. I'm pretty sure I saw it somewhere on Sup Forums in the past.
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Yeah, that was it. Byrne should burn in hell.
>McFarlane is a shitty writer and a bit of a doofus (though a good artist when he tries), but I've never heard anything negative said about the man himself.
How about the hypocritical bullshit he pulled with Gaiman over Angela?
This motherfucker right here.
>traced and sold art as his for years at cons
>claimed to have worked with industry legends
>claimed he worked with Dwayne McDuffie after he died while trying to sell McDuffie art as his own
>Marv Wolfman's self-insert that married Wonder Girl
Steven Seagal of comics?
Isn't there a Stolen Valour guy who wrote war comics?
That's just annoying and pathetic, not morally wrong.
>pregnant at twelve years, old
Is that even physically possible?
If they start ovulating early, yes.
sauce?
There are way too many examples of Byrne being weird towards young women (usually drawn younger than teenagers). Off the top of my head, there is the Sue and Richard scene from Fantastic Four, Clarke and young Lana in Superman, and a mentally time displaced Robotman and Elastagirl (I think, I've purged most of Byrne's Doom Patrol from my mind)
>Bob was being sued by the person who'd painted the clowns for him..."
Lina Medina.
How come no one is talking about OP's pic?
leave underage, back before tv was huge and shit comics were a big deal. ESPECIALLY Batman.
Kate Leth.
You mean master artist and industry legend Michiyamenotehi Funana?
>Expecting logic in people's interest
Go outside, kid.
It's not nice to say but I can't say I disagree.
Shitty accident, shitty life, shitty death.
>McDuffie art
>We could imagine he spent every hour of every day when not in front of the cameras begging family members to simply kill him and get it over with
We could if we were posting on Sup Forums and not giving an interview meant to be printed.
Reeve's medical care was largely paid for by his old Juillard roommate, some guy named Robin Williams who never went public about it.
We lost a truly good man when he killed himself.
>'No, not Shelly.' Bob was being sued by the person who'd painted the clowns for him..."
Wow, how much of a shitter you gotta be?
As soon as ovulation starts, but it's dangerous because it can lead to congenital complications.
There are insane stories about Julie Swartz sexually assulting women.
Capp was also crazy right wing
WTF no mention of Barry Blair yet? Or how Chris Claremont would hire hookers to dress up as Storm and beat him with their hair?
Bunch of young mooks here.
Rob Liefield is the Bob Kane of Deadpool.
Gerard Jones got arrested on child porn charges.
I'll give you Barry Blair but how do Claremont's fetishes make him a shitbag by OP's criteria?
Girls have gotten pregnant younger than 8 years of age.
For your sake, don't Google it.
the most evil man in comics
Explain why without using memes or just saying he's terrible. I'm guessing you can't, you're just parroting what you've heard.
If you think "nerds" were the only people talking like this post-9/11 you must be 10 years old. The Bush years were all about this kind of revenge talk.
>You will nothing but sweet, pleasant stories stemming from interviews and fan interactions, but every person he's ever cultivated a professional relationship with seems to hate his guts (except Kirkman for some reason).
Exactly. Liefeld is a snake who will smile at you while stabbing you in the back. Anyone wondering about this should read about how and why he left Image Comics in the 90s.
Or hell, even how and why he left Marvel.
Most people he's worked with won't do it again. Like the guys that drew 1963
There's an user here who thinks he is innocent and that the entire thing is a conspiracy againsy Jones
This piece of shit over at Dark Horse. A known serial sexual harasser and sexual assaulter, alcoholic, and a real jerk on top of it. Protected from repercussion because of his relationship with guys like Mike Mignola and, irony or ironies, 'male feminist' Greg Rucka.
I guess because he only sexually assaults men its no big deal.
I'm convinced the only reason Ken Penders isn't John Byrne levels of infamous for his stupidity is because his work is super niche and only read by Sonic fans.
Even then, at least Byrne made one or two good things in his professional career
Wasn't there a DC Artist who TOTALLY went to jail for murdering someone? I don't think it's Mike Grell, but maybe someone similarly named?
how was it Hypocritical in the least? are you sighting the LIE SFdebris told about him writing the comic that was in fact written by the Cerebus guy?
Todd McSpawn "definitely totally" buying the rights to Miracleman & then refuses to show anyone any receipts, just saying he'll sue anyone who tries otherwise & ruining anyone's ability to reprint or enjoy them until barely a couple years ago.
>Chris Claremont would hire hookers to dress up as Storm and beat him with their hair?
source?
How could you possibly prove this other than w/ a video or an open admittance? This sounds like complete bullshit.
>Like the guys that drew 1963
Just Steve Bissette. 1963 had pencils by Rick Veitch Steve Bissette. Veitch went on to join Moore's America's Best Comics, but there was some kind of falling out with Bissette:
en.wikipedia.org
Moore has a number of long and fruitful collaborations with other creators. You're going to need to show some evidence if you're claiming most people he's worked with won't do it again.
Moore fanboys are the worst. They'll defend their cuck no matter what. He fucked over Bissette and many others. There's also his weird obesssion with Grant Morrison
>asks for sources
>CUUUUUUUCK
Okay then.
How is it not? The whole point of Image was creator control over their creations and he immediately tried to dick Gaiman out of a character he created that Todd had nothing to do with. What the fuck does Dave Sim have to do with anything?
I'd totally buy that Batman painting regardless, it looks awesome.
Came here to mention him, for the most part, Wolfman does great stuff, but he somehow thought it his duty to wed and impregnate Diana Troy.
This is what happens when you use a Fiction Suit for evil.
Now THATs a goddamn twist.
Apparently Paul Pope is a huge sleazeball