So how did this guy manage to take over the empire after Palpatine died?

>So how did this guy manage to take over the empire after Palpatine died?
>omggggg you're thinking about it way too much that's soooo not the point of the movie!!

Just turn off your brain retard

Yeah. The whole stuff about how there's suddenly this big new first order that rules over everything feels like the most hand waved thing away. I don't like it. I get that it's not as exciting if the good guys are the ones with the most power, but it's how it should have gone down.

Snoke had everything handed to him and he was still a pathetic failure.

He was portrayed as pretty powerful with the limited screen time he got. He was ragdolling Rey around, and blasted Kylo too when he forgot his place.

Read the accompanying 14 expanded universe books to understand, fucking fool. What do you think this is? Disney is tryin' to run a business here; no free rides

just shut up and enjoy the action weirdo

What the fuck was up with that whole "arms dealer" plot line as well? Hurrrr everyone at this casino made their money selling weapons! Really? What about the droid manufacturers, what about clothing manufacturers, what about the people building the fucking casino itself??? Is arms dealing the only industry all of a sudden? There were once banking guilds in that universe apparently.
>The only way people can get this rich...selling weapons
>A statement made in a movie created by a business with a market cap higher than most real world arms dealers
>Kill all these rich fucks with this stampede!

It was political goyim. Sorry you don't have an IQ high enough to understand it.

Sequel trilogy is fucking bad because it abandons all notion that it has to make sense or have any sort of consistent internal logic whatsoever. They wanted The New Order, they got it for no good reason. They wanted Snoke, they got it for no good reason. The Force Awakens was full of promises that The Last Jedi couldn't and wouldn't deliver on.

Just from watching episode 4, 5 and 6, can you please tell me how Palpatine took over?

We've had years to flesh out Sheev, give it time.

Anyone ever notice how there's always a le evil big boss but there's never an equal good big boss or 'god' in these childish false dichotomies?
> The force is the balance of dark/light/good/evil
> Evil has big bosses
> God has no big bosses
> If its a harmonic balance of good/bad dark/light then neither is on the right side... Just opposing

> Mfw del toro's character was the beacon :
You both are just tards shooting at each other from opposing sides. Neither of you are in the right.

who is yoda

yes very well put and they seemed to lace the first half of the movie with dialogue that explained or clarified confusing shit from the first movie or dismissed it entirely

oh you think there is some special reason Rey can speak every language in the galaxy, fly a ship she dismissed as a piece of shit better than Han Solo and Chewy the first time she puts her hands on it, fight with a lightsaber and use the force instinctively because she has some interesting backstory NOPE SHE WAS A PEASANT GIRL RAISED BY HERSELF IN A DESERT SHITHOLE SHE'S JUST THAT GOOD BECAUSE HER PARENTS WERE DRUG ADDICTS ALSO FORCE?

>Leia literally Supermans back to her ship after it explodes
>no good big boss

He was really fucking powerful and evil and manipulative. You can understand how he got to be where he was just by looking at the character. He wasn't wearing gold slippers.

The original trilogy were set in an original universe. There was no need for backstory besides what few tidbits we were given. How the Emperor rose to power, exterminated the Jedi, is currently dissolving the senate etc. He's then built up over each movie until he finally appears in the flesh in the finale. He was the evil king of space, that's all.

Snoke is the villain of a sequel movie. He just shows up out of nowhere completely established to the characters so they don't bother explaining it, but the audience is completely in the dark. If Disneys trilogy was some random new sci fi franchise, then there'd be no need to explain how the big bad became the big bad. Since it's a sequel, theres a massive fucking void.

And yet he died like a bitch.

Thanks for highlighting this.
Now, expand upon it.

Good vs. evil - level 0
Good vs. evil - level 1
Good vs. evil - level 2..
Infinitude
What's the point here? tiers of good and evil at conflict amounting to higher levels of war and destruction.. Is this all for sport? fun? someone's amusement? Is luke saying the jedi need to end indicative of a reflection that heightened force brings nothing of value besides heightened conflict? He hit on a significant point :
> It's all in harmony...
If so, neither side is in the right or wrong.. just dancing around on the checkered floors of the halls of the universe putting on a show

How did Sheev become Emperor in the OT? Why did such a powerful force user have so little screentime and such a poorly explained backstory that they had to make 3 more movies to show his origins?

So many fucking plotholes in this movie.
>Snoke is a known Sith-like threat manipulating Ben
>Luke goes after his nephew and not Snoke directly

Yeah that's what bothered me. Not only did they make Luke a pathetic coward, but they made him an idiot as well.

In all honesty, i think this childish false dichotomy of good and evil is played out in the modern human psyche. It's an idea/premise that was needed for a phase of human evolution and its obvious that's its played out at this point. I'm pretty sure, all material that continues to hinge on this stupid ideology is going to rot on a vine in the coming years.

We didn't know what came before the OT, we know what comes before the ST. Hence the utter confusion when some new guy appears out of the blue with more resources and power than anyone before him. All without a single word as to who the fuck he is and where he came from. The OT actually DOES explain who the Emperor is well before he shows up, Obi-Wan tells you about the Jedi and how they were all wiped out when some dick came to power after the clone wars, Imperial goons scurry around talking about how the problematic senate is being swept away. Palpatine is still taking over in Ep 4. He doesn't spawn in from nowhere.

>>So how did this guy manage to take over the empire after Palpatine died?

He'll probably get a novel detailing his origins similar to Thrawn and Phasma.

>He doesn't spawn in from nowhere.

And more importantly he doesn't disappear like nothing.

How did steve not notice the darth vader kid moving it? Didn't he feel that force?

He sensed him thinking about activating *A* lightsaber but not which lightsaber.

I liked the idea that human "snoke" was just darth vader's reanimated corpse and it was being controlled by the real snoke who is the snake-man from the original concept arts. the real snoke uses the dark side to find the strongest vessels he can and then mind rapes them. in this kind of way, snoke would still be alive for episode 9, and would have a plot point for his mental manipulation and control of kylo now that he is "supreme leader"

>500W housefire generator
gross

>the snake-man from the original concept arts
Do you have scans of this? Genuinely curious.

That's the point. This movie was a fucking dumpster fire...

Reading the wiki there was something about a cold war with the New Republic while the First Order took the remnants of the empire and gathered strength in some unknown section of the galaxy but no explanation about Snoke because that was Rian's job.

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