Make a characater that is meant to be hated

>make a characater that is meant to be hated
>end up liking him the most
Was this intentionally?

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I hope based Rian does away with diversity in his trilogy only white men can carry a Star Wars film.

>meant to be hated
hardly

I'm unironically rooting for him. He's the character who has to actually struggle to get anything. I hope he kills Rey in the third movie.

We all know how it's really going to end he joins them and they destroy Supreme Leader Hux together!

They literally make him with the intent to be liked by normiedom
You're dense if you think different

He's the only new character that has actual flaws and motivations. Its only natural to like him more than the cardboard cutout that is Rey.

Yes, you are supposed to feel conflicted like Rey was, that's good storytelling

This. He actually has conflict, meanwhile Rey just goes around lifting boulders and being a lightsaber master with no training.

It's mostly because Driver is the best actor in the new trilogy by far. He makes Kylo's emotions feel genuine.

Let me see

>mary sue and a bunch of tokens
>none of them feel inferior to the originals because of writing
>only literal character that belongs in the trilogy is Ren
>whiny fucker who knows he is inferior to the original
>best reason to turn to the dark side out of every other sith we have seen so far
>does not sound creepy like Anakin when trying to hit on a chick

He will die, no doubt he will. They will never have a white binary couple on top of SW ever again. Either he dies or a light saber cuts his balls off.

No, he was the textbook altright goon that's mad white women and minorities are taking over his toy so he's memeing his way into the galaxy to take control back. Face it, live with it, embrace it.

>Hux is the only bad guy left
Oh man this is awful. We could have had a Snoke vs Kylo and Rey

There's no conflict though. I'm 100% in Team Kylo. He's the hero of the movies.

Kylo Ren is the Travis Bickle of the Star Wars universe.

I want him to be revealed to be the real protag all along and he marries and impregnates Rey carrying on the bloodline.

Rey doesn't deserve his exalted seed. Just shove that bitch out of the airlock and have her Fisher her way home.

This. She isn't even anything special bloodline wise.

kek

I don't really care about Rey much, can only stand her when she's around Ben and it's what he wants so I have no problem with it.

He‘s pretty much the only interesting thing Disney created so far in this trilogy. Rey is a boring nobody who‘s only powerful because she has to balance things out. Snoke was just a huge letdown and Luke‘s character got butchered.

Kylo right now is by far the only character that feels like he got some effort put into.

>those digits

Kylo was lying-fags btfo!

he's a shit character

Kylo and Rey are the protagonists.

This thread is about Kylo /ourguy/ Ren, not you.

But not before he makes sweet love to her

He's one of the few actual characters in the movie. Nearly everyone else is designed for maximum shekels.

>I hope he kills Rey in the third movie.
Are you kidding? Rey is gonna totally emasculate him in front of the entire galaxy without breaking a sweat or being mean.

Rey is going to be evil for a while in the last one. Hux is not going to the fucking final villain, JJ is not that retarded

>Are you kidding? Rey is gonna totally emasculate him in front of the entire galaxy without breaking a sweat or being mean.
We gotta stop this. We must spread the word and hype him so that Disney has no choice but to give him the ending we want. The blood will be on our hands when we fail. GET STARTED.

We’re supposed to hate him? But he’s right. The Jedi and the Republic were shit. They tried to do the Republic and Jedi again and neither worked. They need let go of the old and start off new.

He's gotta be Kasdan's idea, right? I mean there are definitely similarities to Jacen Solo, but he feels the most Star Wars of any new character.

>He's one of the few actual characters in the movie. Nearly everyone else is designed for maximum shekels.
The greatest story idea for a new Star Wars trilogy was literally sitting underneath Disney's nose.
A series of movies about Ren's journey from an idealistic, upstart Jedi-in-training to his fall from grace and turn to the dark side would have been better than this overextended clusterfuck we have now.

Because the actual main character is unlikable. Seriously, is there any redeeming fact about Rey?

She's not even a tiddy monster with pantyhose, so no.

Much better but if it was even suggested it was probably tossed immediately for being too close to the prequels.

She finally admitted her big weakness which is fear of her OP powers that even Yoda signed off on, and has good chemistry with Kylo

>female characters can't have a weakness other than contrived shit like "fear of my own strength"
Fuck these movies.

What was the point of anything in this movie ? Kylo is still bad, Rey is still good, the resistance is still...there. Luke dying didn't matter, Snoke dying didn't matter, the entire casino plot didn't matter, Reys parents didn't matter. I can't remember the last time I saw such a mediocre movie in theatres.

holy fuck i saw the movie thursday night and i already forgot about the casino

Time to accept that you can do ANYTHING you want to, you go gurl!

Yeah, I find it weird the audience is supposed? to find him evil? but I just feel like Rey's a dumbass because I actually agree with his new order shit like wtf

The whole Finn and Rose subplot was the pinnacle of shit in this movie.

>best reason to turn to the dark side out of every other sith we have seen so far
What's the reason?

He thinks his uncle wanted to murder him like a pig, and thus he felt validated in the claim all force users are fucking assholes and so he sought the quickest path to become the absolute ruler of the universe thus ending all hostility between magic energy fuckers.

He's basically discount Vader, but he doesn't sound like a maniac nor he was suckered into becoming a sith because of his preggo wife, thanks to him never being a part of the prequels.

>Kylo is still bad
He isn't just an evil dude. He's even more conflicted now due to Luke and mostly Rey
>Resistance is still there
They've got like 20 people left. They were completely destroyed in this movie

>thinks

Finn was irrelevant this movie. Even the black dude became a secondary character because the Asian stole the show.

If Hux is the final bad guy I'll be so angry.

He's a scrawny white man so of course he'll be

There's nobody else left unless they just make up a brand new character.

Maybe that's why these movies suck so badly. There are no evil dudes. Just a bunch if good guys going from point to point doing things. The OT (and prequels sort of) worked because there were obvious good guys and bad guys.

This movie briefly brought up the idea that there are no good and bad guys in the world but even that falls apart since we're never given the perspective of an actual bad guy.

lmao kylo ren is like tyler durden for gen z

you aren't supposed to wanna be him kids

I wish I looked like Tyler.

>stop looking up to the white goy kids!
>we did everything to make it impossible, WE ARE THE CHOSEN ONES!

Rian wants a black lesbian tranny to direct the next one though.

holy shit the fake hitler is the main bad guy? the state of nu-sw

I remember the entire theater laughing during Force Awakens when he took his mask off

Question: Who killed Snoke?

I really don't get what the overall arc of the new trilogy is supposed to be.

It's kind of about Kylo being redeemed, but does he really deserve it?
The supposed main antagonist (Snoke) was dealt with in a very simple way so there is no major opposing force the good guys are supposed to be fighting.
We all know Kylo is going to turn so that leaves who? Hux? A joke character?

And even though we have planets getting destroyed and spaceship battles the First Order is just not that intimidating.

Nope. Rey kills him and takes control of the First Oder but decides to dissolve it for good.

I mean for real, kilo's entire reason for being evil is that everyone shits on him for no reason.

>dad leaves and gives 0 shits about you to play space pirate.
>teacher/serigate dad tries to kill you for going through puberty.
>mom to busy playing army man and brushes attempted murder of son.
>Supream leader constantly fucking with you.
>only girl you ever connected with tries to kill you to continue being at war over everyone even though she just proved that good and evil aren't what they seem.
>now some,fagot,who can't command for shit wants to kill him so he can play Tropico space addition.

We've been through 4 writers, countless revisions by corporate staff, and then through the wringer with 2 Director changes. At this point I think they're winging most of the plot.

Please no

He's kiera but without ever being a real jedi or sith or being interesting- gotcha

he only says that to appease the retards meanwhile he directs an entire trilogy

>>>hottopic is that way

It's about Rey and Kylo rejuvenating the Force without working within the failed Jedi/Sith paradigm.

What was wrong with the Jedi order? I can't say I remember much of the older films but I don't remember the Jedi really being the cause of anything. They seemed to be more like pawns to the dark side in 1-3 than evil.

>Was this intentionally?

It 100% was. They asked the algorithm to create a new Darth Vader.

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you keep what you kill

Kylo’s character development was well done and was the best part of the movie. I especially liked how he got bullied into destroying his gay mask

Kylo had a hard life. And he was a good friend.

Help me to understand something Sup Forums what is the real obective of Kylo? He dont wanna be a Sith, he dont wanna be a jedi, he dont wanna be good, he dont wanna be "evil"... I honestly still trying figure out what he want

>Rey is a boring nobody
So was Ani. Bloodlines AREN'T A THING. Luke was powerful because of Cosmic Force destiny not blood lines. That it was skywalkers was incidental.
Only sensitivity passes through blood and not consistently at all. Ability DOES NOT pass through blood. There are force sensitive races that show this. FUCK ME MATE

not the guy you were talking with but the jedi order is bureaucratic and inefficient despite being a thousands strong mega-wise warrior-monk army...it's devotion to superstition and the status quo allowed a master manipulator to pull the rug out from under the entire intergalactic society. At it's very height of perceived power it was arguably at it's very weakest.

Would be nice if Rey and Kylo become the new Vader/Sidious and Luke kick Sith ass again and this time no mercy

>anakin
>likable
>by anyone
>anywhere
nigga what?

Weirdly Rian Jonson has a big hand in making Walter White more likeable than he should have been too.

I'm still waiting for the Empire-focused movie. No one gives a shit about the rebels. The empire, republic, Jedi Order, and the bandits along the way are truly the only groups that the fans care about and the empire has all the fan appeal and aesthetics.

>Stormtroopers, just generally
>Praetorian Guard
>all the vehicles that troopers use
>Kylo Ren
>Darth Vader
>Emperor
>Phasma
>Death Star
>Hunters employed by Empire
>possible outlet to new siths during the life of Darth Vader

People would want to see this.

Same, the whole time I wanted him to join the light and rey to join the dark. Because his character is way more interesting for a protagonist, and that would've been a great twist. Hell, they we're foreshadowing it the whole time, but naaaaaah. Girl's gotta be good, boy's gotta be bad.

So the bad guys never one a battle so far?

We’re two movies in and kylo will undoubtedly lose the third confrontation to Rey. They could have at least let her get an arm chopped or something. The worse thing thing that happened to her was getting a small cut on her arm.

He wants to be his grandpa, but better. And by overthrowing his Sheev-equivalent, he's actually succeeding.

>boy's gotta be bad.
White boys.

Adam Driver does a good job. Unlike Rey, it's okay for him to fuck up. Unlike Finn, he's actually relevant to the central story.

I care about the clones. The rebels could have been clone tier but now they're the 'oppressed' against the evil white empire instead of a rag tag group of plucky soldiers

It would also do much better in China since they like Imperial shit there.

I would rather see Kylo redeemed while Rey falls to the Dark Side.

Kylo turns out to be Kain who brings true balance to the Force pillars and Rey becomes the Lightsaber Reaver. Only way to fix Star Wars is to plagiarize the fuck out of LoK.

Ani was literally a virgin-birth

I'd be up for it.

Yeah, seems a bit odd with how they ended this one, I think there is going to be a pretty large time skip since the whole theme of this was the the whole "spark that lights the rebellion", and they were literally down to like under 30 people since I doubt the Falcon can hold many more than that.

Kind of expecting a 5-10 year jump, maybe a more mature Kylo actually leading the First Order and not being a complete retard ordering his whole fleet to attack one old dude instead of finishing the objective. That would also give the time for the rebellion to grow a bit since right now they have no allies.

just adapt that one eu comic miniseries that was a blatant zulu ripoff, it was great

They won the battle on the salt plain. They just intended to completely destroy them there and it didn't happen. A small number got away.
Somehow, despite the ending of Episode 7, the First Order had the resistance on the run throughout all of 8. This gets more confusing when you realize that the situation between the OT and new movies is that the Republic was created and controlled a decent chunk of the galaxy compared to the Empire.

Somehow the Resistance are this ragtag group rather than Republic forces.

My favorite character in the new trilogy, cheering for him the whole way. My boy!

>force holding hands
Lewd as fuck.
Force intercourse when?
Really liked Adam's Kylo voice.

not everyone likes soy, you know

Finn is already cucked by the Chinese girl. He’s irrelevant now.

>tfw Episode 9 won't end with him and Rey just hugging it out instead of killing eachother

Will they change to a director that will make an actual well written movie?

Episode 9 is JJ again, so no.

The guy who wrote Batman v Superman is writing the next movie. God help us

>m-mon mothma..
>WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME