Not so much bad as boring. Little to zero character development. Rey is exactly who she was in TFA no real progression. Her parents are just random nobodies. Her character is so bland. She has no real motivation. She had more charisma in TFA shockingly enough.
Everyone else in the movie comes off the same way. One note or bland. Rose loves Finn because who knows. She's like a lesbian at the beginning but I guess whe's bi now? No chemistry whatsoever. Came out of left field.
Mark Hamill just looks depressed through the whole thing. Not his character I mean Mark Hamill himself. No character development for Snoke. He's basically "villain of the week." Poe is the same one-note reckless hotshot pilot from start to finish.
I think the major flaws with this film carries from TFA. They build up so much. Who is Snoke? Where did Rey come from? Why is Luke is in hiding? And they gave us the lamest Payoffs.
Film also has too much going on. It's like they were making it up as they were going?
I felt robbed with the Luke vs Kylo fight at the end. This could have been the Vader vs Luke from RoTJ but he was just a force projection It loses any weight it may have had. The movie just feels like nothing. It leaves no impression on you.
Not so much bad as boring. Little to zero character development. Rey is exactly who she was in TFA no real progression...
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The whole First Order chase plot felt like something out of Battlestar Galactica. I’m 100% convinced Hack Johnson has never watched a single Star Wars movie
TLJ is worst than a bad movie
TLJ is a boring bad movie
Fuck those forced quips
>forced quips
>force diversity
>forced porgs
>forced spaced battles
>force villain dying
>forced sword fights
>forced music
>forced cinematography
Basically unwatchable.
>She's like a lesbian at the beginning but I guess whe's bi now?
That other Asian chick who died in the bomber was her sister. Rose mentions her during her first conversation with Finn.
Yeah, seems stupid that ~20 star destroyers and one fuckhuge start destroyer couldn't just obliterate those 3 Resistance ships in a few minutes.
Then again, it only showed the Supremacy using big long-range shots, so maybe the 3 Resistance ships were out of range of the other weapon systems. I'm smarter than 90% of normies tho, and since they didn't expressly state this in the film, I doubt most people could conceive of it themselves. The filmmakers might have expected Star Wars fans to make the connection, but most likely it was just some Jews in a boardroom trying to shit-out a plot as fast as possible without considering plotholes.
I got back from seeing The Last Jedi, having never seen The Force Awakens and very little media of it. I had to have someone explain the characters and plot of the first movie in the car on the way there.
I was pretty much confused the entire movie, probably pretty predictable for not having seen the first one.
>How is one tiny fighter able to take out all the guns on a huge battleship?
>Why are a bunch of women diplomats in charge of a ship giving orders to the admirals?
>Why doesn't the black guy shoot the asian girl when she tries to stop him from getting into the escape pod?
>How do these characters possibly think they can fuck off to a casino mid-battle and get back before their battleship is destroyed?
>What was the lesson of the Jedi that the girl needed to learn when its basically levitating rocks.
>Why does the girl hate the casino world so much? If these characters could just teleport to Las Vegas, what the fuck is the big battleship doing stuck in space?
>What was the point of the mirror cave under the island? Literally nothing happened.
There were so many more elements that made no sense.
>How is one tiny fighter able to take out all the guns on a huge battleship?
this is a classic SW trope
>Why are a bunch of women diplomats in charge of a ship giving orders to the admirals?
they are the admirals
>Why doesn't the black guy shoot the asian girl when she tries to stop him from getting into the escape pod?
he has no reason to do that, they're on the same side and she's just doing her job
>How do these characters possibly think they can fuck off to a casino mid-battle and get back before their battleship is destroyed?
don't have anything for this one, this movie's timeline is fucked
>What was the lesson of the Jedi that the girl needed to learn when its basically levitating rocks.
i don't remember
>Why does the girl hate the casino world so much? If these characters could just teleport to Las Vegas, what the fuck is the big battleship doing stuck in space?
because they abuse animals and she likes animals.
>What was the point of the mirror cave under the island? Literally nothing happened.
i think the point is that nothing happened, i'd have to watch it again.
>How is one tiny fighter able to take out all the guns on a huge battleship?
Poe plot armor, and numale hacks who never worked on space operas before, or understand basic scifi, now getting to make a space opera script.
>Why are a bunch of women diplomats in charge of a ship giving orders to the admirals?
Because wearing uniforms is patriarchal and oppressive, shitlord. (Seriously though, Mon Mothma did it in the OT, so it might be some cultural thing.)
>Why doesn't the black guy shoot the asian girl when she tries to stop him from getting into the escape pod?
He doesn't want to kill a Resistance member?
>How do these characters possibly think they can fuck off to a casino mid-battle and get back before their battleship is destroyed?
Shit-tier writing and more lack of understand of how space battles work by the authors.
>What was the lesson of the Jedi that the girl needed to learn when its basically levitating rocks.
Introspective deep shit about the nature of Light and Dark.
>Why does the girl hate the casino world so much? If these characters could just teleport to Las Vegas, what the fuck is the big battleship doing stuck in space?
The Asian chick said she grew-up their as one of the slave kids, if I remember right. Also, the main Resistance fleet can't go to hyperspace because it would drain all their fuel, and they would get tracked-down and rekt. The nigger and Asian chick used a small ship with stealth tech to go to the casino planet.
What was the point of the mirror cave under the island? Literally nothing happened.
I don't know, either. For a while I thought it was gonna be a repeat of the spooky tree that creates doppelgangers of yourself in Empire Strikes Back.
Rey is just not that good an actor as Mark Hammil.
Still streets ahead of Hayden Christensen though still.
>he has no reason to do that, they're on the same side and she's just doing her job
She's going to tase him and prevent him from leaving. If he was going to leave he would have never seen any of them ever again, and presumably they would have all been killed by the imperial fleet. He should have been incredibly motivated to kill her, fight her, trick her, or neutralize her in some way first before escaping. Instead he sits around chatting and then gets tazed like a chump. Suddenly they are friends again talking excitedly about how they are gonna sneak onto the giant deathship and be heroes.
Wasn't that the point of the movie? That the series could theoretically go on forever because nothing changed?
There is a hope
A NEW HOPE
Why couldn't they just send a bunch of smaller ships to get more fuel?
>mark hamill is a good actor
You must be fucking joking. Rey is a thousand times worse than Anakin in the prequels and Daisey is similiarly worse in comparison to Hayden.
I don't see why all the hate, it wasn't great I'd probably give it 6.5/10
>Poe was a totally different character, impulsive and dumb and he didn't even do anything
>Rose was annoying and a liability character that we were supposed to care for and Finn's story was stupid, and the whole find a hacker thing felt like it was from one of the TOS Star Trek films
>Snoke was wasted
>the jokes were really out of place
>that purple haired character who was in charge after Leia was hurt was awful, we were supposed to hate how she wouldn't listen to Poe, then like how she took out all the Destroyer's
are we supposed to believe that one star cruiser can destroy like 5 star destroyers and a fuckhuge Snoke star destroyer just by going to hyperspace? In Rogue One we saw Corvettes getting destroyed by Star Destroyers that had just left hyperspace, and all these Destroyers still had shields whereas the Cruiser had it's disabled? Also if it was capable of doing that, why didn't she turn around and do that right away instead of waiting for half the resistance to be killed first, she was going to get killed in a few minutes when the cruiser ran out of fuel?
>Phasma is better in her scenes but she is wasted potential
>Kylo is the new Dooku, he's a better villain in this movie but after Hux finds Snoke dead he leads the First Order instead of leaving it like he wanted to with Rey
>Who is Snoke?
Some dead faggot, he felt awkward and shit in TFA and his death was very welcome if a bit meta in retrospect.
>Where did Rey come from?
Either the point is she came from nowhere and anybody can be somebody, blah blah blah, or we have a surprise reveal for the third movie.
>Why is Luke is in hiding?
Pretty clear, he's ashamed of his own weakness and failure.
>And they gave us the lamest Payoffs.
Luke attempting to kill Ben Solo is second only to Vader being Luke's father in terms of dramatic and series changing character development in this series.
The whole fucking foundation of this new trilogy is posed at the core. The story makes no fucking sense, the whole first order meme is so fucking retarded because they JUST NEEDED their evil white man empire and epic rebels again. Fuck star wards has sooo much promise but the suits keep fucking it up
Plus, one hour and a half of this movie is literally wasted in two giant clusterfuck, literal McGuffin-stories: the casino planet and the RETARDED slow-mo ship chase.
Kylo/Rey communicating scenes were good. That's it. Hamill did a good job with what was given, but what they did to Luke's character is unforgivable.
The worst movie in the series by far. Fuck this shit.
Can you explain how Rose leaves while Finn is charging full speed to the ram and catchers up again and “saves” him. Then they magically appear back in the bunker in the next scene?
Why didn't the imperial fleet just send some of their ships out in front? Why didn't they just have the fighters in sortie around the rebel cruiser, since they vastly outnumbered them? Why didn't they predict the path of the rebel cruiser to the one obvious planet nearby?
She saves him due to the power of love, thereby dooming the rest of the rebels by stopping him from disabling the cannon.
I’d rather have Hayden back fucking around than have Riddley.
Lots of things in this movie are just retarded and make no sense.
Luke's force projection gets absolutely wasted by lasers and finn and rose somehow managed to sneak by.
They had an opportunity to retcon some of the Jedi masters back into existence. And it would have made Luke's "I'm not the last jedi" more suspenseful than Rey being a fully untrained jedi and some kid with force powers.
What i'm talking about is Luke's force projection. The way he dissapeared after fighting Kylo was almost similar to jedi death.
What ruined it is that Luke was like "Peace!" and then vanished. He wasn't injured and Im sure he went through more mental strain when his hand was cut off than projecting an image of himself.
The though that Obi-Wan, Yoda and other are alive because they were just force projections would have been a revelation and a better ending. Too bad we never got that.
He is, he's also a legendary voice actor. But a brainlet like you wouldn't understand.
>A thousand times worse
Eat a giant pile of dogshit, millenial prequel trilogy childhood mong.
>I'd rather have Hayden back
I think you don't realize how fucking terrible it is because you haven't actually watched the prequel trilogy recently.
Who let this retarded boomer here? It's time for your nap, grandpa, this isn't a board for you, nor your shitty taste.
True, but it feels like I’m experiencing the prequels again but no one is calling out the bullshit and just sucking the mouses dick.
How do force ghosts work? Does Yoda now just hang out invisibly and he waited decades just to show up again and be smug? Could he just manifest anywhere he wanted? Why didn't he appear to Rey and teach her force training? For that matter why doesn't Darth Vader appear in force ghost form and tell Kylo Ren to knock it off?
I'd rather have hammy goodness than someone making faces like they're constipated.
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Because Rose is much better than Finn at piloting those weird skater ships; Finn fucked up at the beginning and had to be told by her to turn on his skatey-thing
Yes, but then everyone pulled back (Rose too) then she manages to catch up to him and t-bone the ship.
Beginning of the film she was just a technician. And now suddenly a skilled fighter pilot?
She's REALLY good at piloting those shitty skating ships
Also they were literally in front of the fleet and magically teleported to the bunker.
>this is a classic Star Wars trope
How so? I legitimately cannot think of any proper example save for maybe anakin disabling the shields for the hangar bay of the separatist flagship. Even then that's stretching it.
>. If he was going to leave he would have never seen any of them ever again, and presumably they would have all been killed by the imperial fleet. He should have been incredibly motivated to kill her, fight her, trick her, or neutralize her in some way first before escaping. Instead he sits around chatting and then gets tazed like a chump
The first movie establishes that he's a pacifist and that it would've been out of his character to take her down for his own personal motives.
Movie rehashes a fuck ton from The Empire Strikes Back and a little from Return of the Jedi.
>Her parents are just random nobodies.
I don't believe this
>Rey is streets ahead of Hayden Christensen
Good lord. I'm sorry but Rey just has nothing going for her. Even if Hayden's delivery of dialogue can be considered stunted, he's a fantastic physical actor. The most poignant moments in his performance are those that are unspoken. Rey just kind of sits blandly, gets that one look on her face and shouts, then rinse and repeat.
At least it gave us some kino
The snoke/rey/kylo scenes felt like almost shoot for shoot recreations of scenes from ROTJ
Is no one gonna mention princess lia using the force in space? That was probably just about the most retarded part of the whole movie
we wuz jedis n shiet
I cant stand how incompetent the empire is. How did they ever rule a galaxy?
This is basically the BvS of the Star Wars universe
Like DC has had some good movies and some bad ones in the past but nothing that reaches this level of pure mindbogglingly dumb and infuriating to watch
Yet critics seem to think this Disney branded mess is great, how curious
When they closeuped he face I thought 'Oh nice they are going to give her character/actor a poignant visual sendoff' and then she opened her eyes and started flying. I audibly groaned, it was is so fucking cringy and out of place
I cant believe this got approved, it was beyond dumb
They say that in the movie. The resistance is out of range of the big, shield busting guns. It's still a dumbass sequence.
>They build up so much... And they gave us the lamest Payoffs.
Literally every Disney: marvel and Star Wars film
Luke's force projection was honestly a good plot device. When it cut to him projecting the entire (admittedly mostly black) theater went absolutely insane.
Also, just want to point out that the introduction to the idea that the military-industrial complex was fueling this endless war supplying both sides was really fucking surprising. It was definitely much of the theaters first introduction to that idea.
Also, my hat is off to Mark Hamill. It was quite obvious he was dissatisfied with the character. But I think he did well with it outside of the stupid whiny intro scenes.
>i'd have to watch it again.
Good goy
>How do force ghosts work? Does Yoda now just hang out invisibly and he waited decades just to show up again and be smug?
This one at least they explained. Yoda was always there, but Luke had cut himself completely off from the force.
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>Kylo/Rey communicating scenes were good.
The fucking young adult novel shit was good? Did you like how Rey got flustered over Kylo not having a shirt?
its so fucking boring, the space ship chase is so fucking dull. and they reuse the same fucking shot to save money with one or two additions. seriously, the same fucking shot for the space chase over and over
>>What was the point of the mirror cave under the island? Literally nothing happened.
it showed her that the dark side wouldn't provide her with the answer she was looking for
As canned and Twilight-oriented it was, it's still the only "human" moment for the main protagonist in the movie.
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Yes dude, it's weird they've boiled down these films to crack for the masses.
You take the classic 3-4 act screenplay. But take the moment where the most excitement happens: The climax. The moment where 'all is lost' and then resolved. And you basically do that for the whole movie. That was this movie from 10 minutes in onward. Over and over. Exactly like Marvel and basically all movies are made now. I don't like it.
So did George completely shoah the Holiday Special, or is it available somewhere? I feel the need to watch it to double check if this is the worst Star Wars film or just the worst one I've seen.
Anyone think phasma isn't dead and they'll bring her back yet again. Having her fall and not be shot or sliced seems pretty intentional.
I thought this was pretty obvious. He was flying against the laser, it was slowing the ship down and his engines were getting destroyed.
If the guards were not force sensitive...
And even if their armor is special and blocks sabers and / or energy weapons, when they worked / didn't work.................
How come Kylo and Rey didn't use their force powers to fight them?
Could have been a cool Darth Maul vs QGJ and Obi throne room fight, but instead is a shitty 30' zone fight w/
no ring out
no risky catwalks
no verticality
no snoke dash slash or his own saber / weapon (watch your toeZzz(ap))
no "if im ded u ded" take him down w/ him like Sheev w/ Vader
no levitating torso w/ final force zombie boss power(s) if Snoke is a sorcerer more than a brawler
no force powers
no refund
I hope they do. You could tell that they used a male stunt actor for her fight scene in this movie and it made the character work, better than her goofy ass walk and stance
What dark side? There's this mysterious threatening presence apparently under the island, so powerful that it frightens Luke and he's horrified when Rey doesn't try to resist it. It's played up with big spooky music and skulls. She touches this mind-bending mirror and gets to the end of this tunnel, and what do we see? Nothing.
What was there? What was supposed to be there? Why did that get included in the script at all? The whole scene makes no sense. She doesn't defeat or overcome anything. She's not even afraid. She just goes "oh well darn, nothing i guess"
>The rebels are absolute idiots who don't know how to get ready for war and then cry and have to sacrifice everyone
>The First Order is so comically incompetent that it's hard to take them seriously as the bad guys
>The movie ends on a note that "the true rebellion will begin" but actually in the end it's really hard to care about that when all the shit the rebels had to go trough was their own fucking fault, and the first order not even that bad so who fucking cares
>The little boy in the end was gringe, rebels are not cool anymore
I only say this because they seem to use Phasma as a sort of fanfiction boba Fett. And unkillable force who just keeps coming back to look cool in her outfit.
If she survived being thrown into a trash can and having a planet blow up 5 minutes later she can surely survive falling into mystery smoke as the main cast escapes.
I still don't have a fucking clue about what the First Order is and why the Resistance is/was separate from the Republic.
They let Luke go out in a decent way.
GOOD:
>His confrontation was surprising
>Didn't get BTFO by Kylo nor go out exactly like Obi-Wan
>Had some of the only enjoyable lines in the movie
>You could tell Hamill actually enjoyed this part. It actually felt like we had Luke back for a couple minutes
BAD:
>I really see no reason he needed to die. He's physically fit now, looks awesome in his role, the older folks in the theater were fucking stoked to see him.
>If it cut back to look having a laugh or just smiling after he pulled that shit off it would have been dank.
WORST:
>They felt the need to explain his death right after which ruined the imagery. He looked out at the sun setting... The balance between life and death that he had talked about earlier was shifting towards darkness for him. He was clearly a suffering/tortured man and was fully ready to accept his death... the sun sets and look fades away.
>Scene cuts to Rey and Leia needlessly discussing it "Wow it's not like, overly sad, you know? It's more like he's finally at peace."
>WE FUCKING KNOW. They literally thought this was over the heads of their audience.
Yeah snoke was really wasted potential, he could've been such a cool character, but he just does nothing then dies.
Autocorrected to 'look' a bunch of times.
Forgot to add that they shit all over his character in the buildup to his decent exit.
It also sort of bothers me that nothing seems to matter in the Star Wars Universe. Wow Luke's a hero for defeating the Empire, oh wait the rebellion is at 400 people again even after destroying Death Star #3. At the end of the movie the entire rebellion fits on the Millenium Falcon.
I would settle for "a character".
I wanna know why this handful of chucklefucks on this one single cruiser matter at all. Elsewhere in the galaxy there are hundreds of planets with billions of people who apparently have no problem living with the First Order, but this boat full of incompetent hillbillies puttering around the ass end of nowhere getting slowly shot to death want to call themselves the entirety of "the resistance".
Since we've got no other explanation I like to think the First Order is a grassroots movement to bring back the stability of the glorious Galactic Empire, and this "resistance" are basically Space Mujahideen.
how is a movie not forced in every way? do you think they just throw shit on screen randomly?
>>How is one tiny fighter able to take out all the guns on a huge battleship?
>this is a classic SW trope
it's exaggerated to a pretty ridiculous extent with poe
even anakin never was able to blow up fucking everything in any battle he was flying in
I believe force ghosts can only appear to people who knew them, but I'm not sure.
Speaking of Poe, that comedy sequence in the beginning pretty much summed up the whole movie. You’re watching the guardians of the galaxy covered with Star Wars paint.
i was in the shoes of hux, irl getting frustrated with the shitty dialogue and wondering why they didn't instantly vaporize this single x-wing fighter sitting motionless in front of them
>You could tell Hamill actually enjoyed this part.
Hamill hates the direction they took Luke and he doesn't like the new movies at all lol.
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yeah true lmao
I'd agree with you on literally any other criticism you might make, but seriously, I haven't seen this many quips as people are saying.
thinks hes trying to suggest there needs to be some verisimilitude to a film, life-truthiness. Even in a sci fi like star wars
>Her parents are just random nobodies.
Good.
>The Last Jedi already retconned half of The Force Awakens
how could guns be out of range in space? whatever you shoot is going to travel insanely fucking fast in any direction you point it until it hits something
So, do Rey and Kylo fuck or what? How does it end?
>Luke's force projection was honestly a good plot device
such a great "oh I guess the filmmakers tricked me lmao I'm SO surprised, must mean it was good"-scene