People who actually care about cinema as an art seem to love this movie...

People who actually care about cinema as an art seem to love this movie, but pedantic nerds who are obsessed with a children's media franchise and want their wish-fulfillment fantasies played out on screen hate it. Who should I trust?

It was shit. Stop acting like we didn't understand it. Leia literally flies through space like Superman. It's not high art.

I didn't think it was shit.

>cinema as an art
Star Wars was always a fun action/adventure flick, not some high art.

It's good, the Rey/Kylo/Luke plotline especially. The weird wacky shit is somewhat annoying, but it didn't bother me too much.

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I think the new films are better than the dogshit original trilogy desu.

Think you already know, this was a good movie its for all ages this isn't fucking Blade Runner 2049

Do you know there is no gravity in space and that leia can use the force? Do you know this is science FICTION?

>People who actually care about cinema as an art seem to love this movie
You don't see the problem there?

movies aren't art.

imagine being so angry at a kids movie that you spend all weekend posting about it

I actually enjoyed it despite it's flaws, just wish the Canto Bight part would had been shorter and Luke had actually fought kylo.

Obviously. I'm also pretty sure a great deal of the outrage is coming from christfags triggered because the religious message made them ask uncomfortable questions about their dumb cult.

I went in expecting to hate the direction they took with Luke. While I didn't appreciate the whole tossing the lightsaber behind his back for the cheap theater laugh I understood his Obi-Wan-like exit. The directions the movie took were easy to predict. But it was better put together than the glib facsimile that was 7. I hate that one. Rian did alright. It was an alright movie.

>Complains about flying through space but accepts selective gravity

lol

It was Scifi-Kino

Go back to Facebook and Twitter you piece of human trash.

It gets points for not being a 1:1 copy of ESB

I love BvS and I love The Last Jedi.
What does it make me ?

>character assassinaion everywhere
>plot holes every 5 minutes
>build-up thrown away for lame anti-climaxes
>shit pacing
>no tension because of marvel quips everywhere
>retcons the entire plot of TFA to make Luke an asshole
>twilight-tier romance

Yeah, great piece of "art".

>Disney alienates its core fans
>the core fans are the ones who repeated watch the movies and buy the merchandise
>op thinks this is good
Goddamn, op really is a retarded faggot.

>>Disney alienates its core fans

This is how you spot a lying faggot. I bet your poseur ass hated the milk monster.

>People who actually care about cinema as an art seem to love this movie
You mean the people being payed to love it and/or who fear financial reprisal from Disney? Yeah, let's trust those guys.

>cynical target-group tested consumerist product
>art

Dont kid yourself

>People who actually care about cinema as an art seem to love this movie
You mean "film critics" who get paid to give good reviews

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>the core fans are the ones who repeated watch the movies and buy the merchandise.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

A giant pleb

Because you're a brainlet with shit taste.

- Start calling the current trilogy as "the Disney fan fiction"
- Start delegitimizing their claim on the mythos by considering everything from Return of the Jedi as glorified fake expanded material
- Always mention that "Disney killed Star Wars". Make Tshirts and Hats with it. Create a grassroots movement that will spread like wildfire among the actually witty fan base.
- Always mention Mark Hamill's refusal to accept this Luke as canon luke
- Equate "Legends" and "EU" with what Disney is making right now.
- Say "its not real star wars even Lucas said so" as a catch phrase to counter-revolutionize youth
- Underline the SJW and Tumblerina aspects of characters
- Underline how there are no white male characters remaining and that Disney is murdering any semblance of them one by one
- Underline how most casting were done so according to Real World interests (affirmative action casting which is actually reverse racism)
- Underline how Bob Iger has presidential ambitions and his master plan is to create a generation of mindless drone youth even worse than the spoonfed fake liberalism of Obama era
- Underline how Hux has become (with TLJ) an allegory of Trump.
- Make SURE you always, ALWAYS mention how Rey is just a cornball Mary Sue, that ruffles their feathers that nothing else (because its true)

We can do it. Lets equate Disney with mediocrity, soullessness and their works as derivative terrible copies of the originals.

Unite.

>Disney alienates its core fans
Yeah, that's why it's good

*literally shaking*

No film critics are going to give a star wars film bad reviews because not only would disney blacklist them (the same disney who own like 75% of the entertainment industry) they'd be torn apart by rabid fanboys who think anything with the star wars label on it is pure gold.

>cinema as an art

>Do you know there is no gravity in space
>Drops bombs onto the deck of a ship as if there is gravity in space
This entire movie contradicts everything that happened in the previous movies along with itself

Star Wars IV: 2/10

Star Wars V: 3/10

Star Wars VI: 1/10

Star Wars I: 1/10

Star Wars II: 2/10

Star Wars III: 2/10

Star Wars VII: 1/10

Star Wars VIII: 1/10

Some ideas of this series had potential if didn't decide to market it towards children/young adults.

It is a shame so many adults take the lore seriously though.

Reasons why Sup Forums hates it
>diversity
>women
>WHY DOESN'T DISNEY HATE NIGGERS LIKE I DO
>muh Luke died
>I DIDNT WANT ANY NEW MOVIES, THEREFORE THEY'RE BAD
>muh contrarian viewpoints
>ONE PERSON HAD PURPLE HAIR ITS CRINGE ITS SJW CRINGE
As you can see, they have a very compelling argument
A void should be the easiest place to control the force, lol

It's only really art if you're making people uncomfortable.

Tittly milk is the most patrician of art.

There plenty of scenes that are beautifully shot, so I understand how the artfags would find it appealing. If you want spess adventures with spess wizards and shootan, then it's fine. It's not groundbreaking by any stretch, but it's fine.

Like said though, there are some honestly beautiful scenes and shots that are worth the watch on a big screen.

>its not a shit movie
>the entire point of TFA was to find Luke to train Rey
>only to have yoda appear out of nowhere and say "lol she doesn't need training she's THAT good"

Congratulations, nice accusatory inversion here disney shill, you've just listed the reasons why the press, who thinks like you, just loved it actually!

>People who actually care about cinema as an art seem to love this movie

>movie loved by sjw on tumblr and critics who praises marvel capeshit

fuck you op

Cunts and Estronauts really went out of their way to support Girl Ghostbusters, right op?

TLJ is riding on the popularity of the OT and the Prequels. It may make a lot of money but it will does nothing to ensure that future movies will be received well.

The damage control is delicious. Telling a major portion of your fans to "grow up" is simply foolish. They genuinely wanted to like TLJ. The people defending this turd are doing so just to spite straight white men or get over the death of Net Neutrality.

It's a SW movie that actually challenges its audience's expectations.
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.

>If I like it I'm a social justice faggot
>If I hate it I'm an alt-right faggot
The absolute state of movies.

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>challenges its audience's expectations

You mock, but that'll be a recognized currency in circulation in a decade.

The ONLY good thing about the childish backlash against this movie is that less people are giving money to the Mouse empire.

>fuel introduced as a concept of concern 8 movies into a series when any poor asshole could pick out a ship that had literally been submerged for decades and travel at light speed with it
>The admiral keeps her shit plan a secret and as a result causes a mutiny of fighters that rightly don't wish to die like rats. This eventually results in the death if over half the rebel forces
>Force ghosts that can summon lightning but can't be arsed to lend a hand in dangerous times
>Fucking force ghosts
>Explicitly saying the ship only had 6 hours of fuel despite Finn and Rose having enough time to sneak out, arrive on casino planet, get caught, break out, ride around for a while, escape on a ship, negotiate terms, break into the empire ship, sneak past hundreds of guards, find the exact location of the tracker, break in and get caught again all with time to spare an enough fuel for the admiral to ram the ship that should have long been out of fuel into the perfect spot and miss everybody that matters
>The admiral is the only human in the entire universe with a non natural hair color and gives an sjw #resist speech
>Rose falls in love with Finn despite only knowing him for what is explicitly stated as a few hours
>Rey's family sold her for boose and she has no special connection thus making her force powers even more inexplicable
>Still no explanation for why she knows how to fight and no Jedi lightsaber training montage but she goes toe to toe with snorks imperial guardsmen
>Kill snoke with no explanation of who he was
>Snoke can supposedly read kylos mind but didn't see his double-cross coming
>Leiah gets sucked into the vacuum of space and somehow is a force master and pulls herself back inside because reasons

Fuck this entire movie.

Congrats you've spammed this article for the 1000th time from a literal who website written for clicks

tlj is shit

>Disney now owns basically half of television and movie industry but people try to claim they aren't spending a few pennies to shill their shit on here / other sites like reddit
The shills are so obvious too.

why didn't they just kill her off

They wanted to kill the non white male off last.

this movie is such a pleb filter, I love it. triggers Sup Forums like no other

literally just got out of the theater and it wasn't bad. but it wasn't great either. THAT FUCKING SCENE was amazing and the whole theater went quiet, and i can't wait to rewatch it. but the insane amount of cheesyass clichés just won't let me call this movie actually good. "oh hey i bet luke's gonna somehow walk in now"; "oh god damn it finn's gonna be saved by the power of LOVE - and then he's gonna get a kiss right before she expires"; "oh great now luke is going to survive all those shots without a scratch"; "we are the spark!!! let's magically find a way out of this mine with no exits" and so on

you understand this is disney right? and maybe you should grow up. This is a new core fanbase, stop looking at the past

I hate the purple haired woman not because of the tumblr-tier aesthetics of the caracter but because she's inconsistent and makes the movie worse by being in it. Literally the only thing she had to say to Poe: "yo, my dude, we are slowly backing up towards a base to make an escape, chill", instead she not only doesn't tell Poe that but apparently she doesn't tell ANYONE that, because you have that one woman helping Poe out from the command deck! How the fuck are we supposed to eat that shit up? How are the CREW supposed to take orders from a woman who won't even mention what the plan is? She's shown to be incompetent through the whole movie, and we are expected to believe she's had this masterplan all along with absolutely NO evidence pointing to this. It almost looks like a first version of the script had her painted as an incompetent bitch who was meant to represent the side of the Republic that let a new empire rise because they were too scared to act (as opposed to Leia or rash but fundamentally brave guys like Poe), but then some exec went in and said "nope, can't have that in our inclusive movie, dye her hair purple and make her a hero".
God, I hate this movie.

what do you describe art then?
You're fucking pathetic you can't think an inch and the only movies you ever watch are fucking blockbusters

Trust your heart.

>Audience (foolishly) expects it to be good
>It turns out to be terrible
Really challenges the expectations.

user I felt the same as you walking out. Reflect on it and the more you so the less you'll enjoy it.

It felt like it was meant for her to be a mole and then half way through they changed their mind.

Best scene in the whole movie. I came.

>A void should be the easiest place to control the force, lol
quite the oposite i think.
force is the living things energy. cosmic void is empty and very much dead.

Why not just have her suicide the ship into the fleet instead of this purple hair bitch?

yeah I know right, the whole thing made shit for sense I mean she should have been shredded by all that shit too instead she is...I don't know exhausted or something? bleh