Flaws

Can someone list all the flaws in this movie? Because I feel every time I open up Sup Forums someone posts atleast two more

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There is literally no one my son can insert himself as in this trilogy.

You can't even meme right, you idiot.

I'm not memeing.

How did Benicio Del Toro know about the rebel's escape plan and when did he hint the First Order?

I haven't got the willpower to list them all but in general there are significant flaws in pretty much every scene and every aspect of film making

He was established to know about cloaking tech when he got them onto the ship, so it's reasonable to think he can tell when there's other cloaked ship in the vicinity. He just told the First Order about it. He told them at any point between them being found and the reveal that he betrayed them, it just happened off screen.

I call bullshit. My wife's son was able to identify with Rey and Holdo. (especially holdo since they both have purple hair)

>I have countless examples but I don't feel like posting them

Thank you for restating exactly what he said.

There aren't any glaring ones but a bunch of small weird ones.

My biggest problems with it come from wasted potential rather than actually flaws. Why wasn't Lando Calrisian the code breaker fake out? That would have been an excellent cameo

>The whole 16 hours thing makes no sense since Rey is talking with Kylo during those 16 hours
>Lightspeed ramming ruins every spacebattle from now on
>The opening scene where they make a huge deal of Poe destroying the canons, even though there are like 5 there are like 5 more Star destroyers there and the bombing fleet gets wrecked anyway
>Rey is apparently suddenly a fully fledged Jedi without any serious training or tests
>Leia superman
>Pink hair not telling anyone her plan
>Finn and Rose entire subplot leading nowhere
>The first Order don't have tractor beams, and can't catch up with Resistance ships. Even though the very first shot of Star Wars is exactly the same situation
>Phasma returning only to get killed
>The First Order conquering a huge part of the Galaxy in like two days, even though they just lost Starkiller base
>The Resistance (Who no one want to help) is down to 20 people and shall apparently pose a threat to The First Order now
That was just on top off my head

You are literally a child

Oh.

The thing that scares me the most is all the shills saying "it was ok the first time, but when I saw it the second time, I really enjoyed it. I might even go back a third time lmao :^)"

There's plot holes everywhere and even if these people aren't shills and are legit fans, they are trying to rationalize spending 30 bucks viewing the same shit movie over and over. The movie isn't getting better, they are just trying to do mental gymnastics to justify their purchase.

>movie drags on for far too long because of subplots
>finn (despite being great in TFA) and Rose should have been cut completely
>super Leia
>Luke milking the green milk space breasts
>Rey having no in-universe reason for being apsolutely overpowered compared to past jedis or the antagonist
>phasma and snoke are wasted completely
>the attempts at humor make Marvel look like comedy geniuses
>original trilogy characters are only in the movies to be a stepping stool for the new characters
>leia is still alive for some reason despite fisher being dead for a while

I could go on and talk about plot but I feel these are enough

There are people who really don't want it to be a bad movie, because it's a part of the main series and a continuation off the OT. So they will do anything to convince themselves that the flaws are ok
Compare to R1 where many where much more honest about what they thought off it, since it's a spin-off it's ok to disregard it.

I saw it on the star wars subreddit that everyone is trying to convince each other that the movie gets better on a 2nd watch, but that's basically just punching yourself in the balls over and over again until it stops being as painful as the first time. They basically spend too much time and money to admit to themselves it's a letdown.

My friend watched it a 2nd time and he says it's even worse

>the bad
the humor worked sometimes but other times it undermined the tone
they destroy plots set up by TFA which isn't entirely bad but Rian probably shouldn't have been so forceful about it
Holdo didn't have to keep her plan a secret for it to work, I get that they wanted Poe to learn a lesson but she could have told him and he'd still learn a lesson
Casino and Del toro's character were trying to do something interesting but largely failed
Luke's arc was actually pretty decent I think but they could have given him a stronger redemption, I think it would have been better if he actually came back to the resistance all renewed and confident and then died in the next movie

>the good
kylo is great and him seizing control of the first order is a good plot
the kylo/rey relationship is interesting
they expanded the power of the force beyond moving things and making lightning

>shit humor the entire way through. Porgs werent even as bad as expected when put next to the rest of the marvelesque humor
>every single serious moment was deflated by a shit joke
>luke thinking even for a second to kill dark side family goes against the entire OT
>leia superman
>purple hair not telling anyone her plan or even that there was a plan is retarded and got hundreds killed and sent us on a pointless side quest
>no Snoke backstory - killing him is fine if we can get some information on where/what he was doing during the empire
>Luke force projects himself to die, why not just come yourself if you were planning to die, why was the X wing shown if it was pointless
>Yoda can effect the physical world as force ghost
>Asian had no idea luke was coming to do his asspull so stopping Finns sacrifice to bide everyone time makes her a traitor
>Luke is terrified that Rey didn't resist the dark then never mentions it again, Rey goes into dark pit and touches mirror, then absolutely nothing happens
>Rey has still never learnt to fight and killed several of Snokes red guards
>Luke left them a fucking map to find him and then refused to help
>giv baby milkies
>nothin personell kid *astral projects away*
>killed ackbar offscreen
>entire casino scene was over the top and stupid with forced slavery and animal cruelty subplots
>luke literally could not be fucked to read the jedi wisdom
>Knights of Ren completely left out because professional writers can't figure out how to write them in
ok im bored now, someone else add more

Why didn't they just lightspeed ram into a deathstar before? Lot simpler than an elaborate plan with a tiny success chance requiring thousands of casualties.

>Leia in space
>Still don't know who Snoke is
>Useless characters

>original trilogy characters are only in the movies to be a stepping stool for the new characters

Damn, that's a good point. In TFA, Han only praises Rey while alive and sets up Kylo with his death. Yoda comes back just to tell us Rey is the real deal, one of Luke's final sentences is Rey being the last jedi, Leia hugs Rey instead of Chewbacca, etc. Good point.

That's just Disney trying to get people to buy it twice.

OP, realize that these movies are being made for a new, young audience, and are now property of Disney.

Everyone complaining are old faggots who have been complaining for the last 15 years. Its these "fans" that are complaining because its not what they want.

They want grim dark bullshit. And thats probably the next new genre as sci-fi space movies dont offer that. But it wont be from Disney and it wont be from the Star Wars franchise.

Casino arc
leia the flying space miracle
a bit heavy-handed with the puns

I think that's it.

Do people actually have a problem with the blue milk? I thought it was cool to see part of Luke's routine

>rey's parents reveal (hopefully kylo was lying but it didn't seem like it)
>snoke's death/lack of character development/explanation
>kylo made to look like a bitch, getting tricked by luke with the lightsaber that him and rey just broke
>rey not recieving training yet being accepted as the last jedi
>luke being an absolute coward
>luke the guy who saw good in darth vader thinking of killing a child
>rey being good at literally everything she does
>yoda destroying the tree of knowledge
>leia's horrible superman/mary poppins sequence
>finn/rose storyline being pointless in the grand scheme of things
>resistance struggling to find an exit and there's actually a HUGE cave they somehow didnt see
>holdo suiciding even though they could have just a droid do it?
>over abundance of quips and corny comedy
>for the first time in star wars a ship runs out of fuel
>force ghosts can affect real life apparently?
>haldo refusing to tell poe her plan for some reasons unknown

there's so many more

>cinematography is foreign to SW
>music is forgettable
>Luke considers killing Ben even though he redeemed Vader; acts like an anime character
>Yoda, coming back for two minutes and being a total hypocrite
>Leia can force-fly and everyone is chill with it
>force-teleportation
>Rose is not an interesting character
>Finn and Rose's subplot has no consequence on the story
>Holdo should have been Ackbar
>Rey is inexplicably powerful with little training
>Rey is a humourless, dour character
>quips© and slapstick comedy
>heavy-handed social commentary
>bringing back Phasma just to be defeated again (I swear they'll do it again in E9)
>Benicio Del Toro's character (who cares)
>lightsaber fights, especially the throne room, Rey v. Luke, Luke v. Kylo (the last one being anime-tier)

Here's what it did right :
>Leia's character
>Kylo Ren/Rey relationship
>Snoke
>chewbacca
>Poe Dameron
>space fights (except for the kamikaze stuff)

>Still dont know who Snoke was
>Luke didnt do shit and just stayed on the island
>Rey parents arent anyone special
>Phasma has 1 minute of screentime
>not one lightsaber duel
>one short scene of actual lightsaber fighting

We would be here until next year then

Giant starships are made of fragile paper mache.
Random nobodies on the rebel ship know the inner workings of experimental hyperspace tracking technology.
Fleet of battleships uselessly chasing a single rebel ship in sub-FTL waiting for it to run out of fuel.
Characters can freely warp off to gambling casino planet, get captured, break free and escape with some untrustworthy scumbag who claims to be able to help them all in the span of a single space battle.
Old Jedi shrine is maintained by alien frog nuns, except it all takes place on a tiny island with a single tiny village ruin.
Under the island is a mysterious evil cave of foreboding darkside force power, but its actually just a mirror that shows nothing and has no purpose.

>Rey having no in-universe reason for being apsolutely overpowered compared to past jedis or the antagonist

She was born with an abnormal amount of force sensitivity. Just like Anakin. Nothing weird about that. You're right about everything else though.

Why would dropping bowling ball bombs out of a space ship work ? Wouldn't they just float away ?

>less than 2 minutes of screen time

They constantly jump between 3 locations and 3 sets of heroes and the jumps happen every minute. It's shot like a heist movie, it's like they're all preparing a big job and they're supposed to finally come together and rob that galactic casino in the end.

More than 2 minutes of BONER time

well done

That's the whole point of these movies though, to let go of the past/nostalgia and let a new generation carry the Star Wars legacy. The old actors aren't going to be around forever, hell Carrie Fisher is already gone so you can see why the whole "passing the torch" thing is a good idea.

wait what? is that the same? so she isn't a chink?

Literally making every male character incompetent, brash, violent, stupid, or selfish and needing to have a woman counter them and solve their problems for them.

Making Luke the exact opposite of his character and what we know and love.

Rey just being fucking good at everything because reasons. She has no growth.

Fucking kill them!

>Literally making every male character incompetent, brash, violent, stupid, or selfish and needing to have a woman counter them and solve their problems for them.
Luke and Poe weren't like that. If anything, until blue-hair chick goes banzai on the FO, Poe's even portrayed as the good rational guy during his mutiny.

According to internet liberals Poe was a chauvinist mansplainer for not obeying Holdo's orders.

why didn't laura dern just tell poe about the plan

>According to internet liberals
Fuck I know SW had politics in it since ANH but come on, don't see it through liberals eyes. I saw it though nationalistic eyes the whole time

I swear half the movie is just jacking off to Carie Fisher. I feel like if it was just the "nobody is ever gone" line it'd be fine, but we didn't need to give her fucking magic witch powers to fly through space. It gets even worse because she's not dead in the movies, but are they going to fucking CGI her in the entire next movie? That seems incredibly disrespectful to the character and the actor, and they passed up a good way to have Kylo give into the dark side. But nope.

I honestly think I can come up with at least 50 if I sit down and write a list.

Different characters. Roses sister, who I assume you’re referring to was the bomber pilot.

This girl was an X-wing pilot. She saluted Poe as the hangar blew up if you remember.

>Resistance is 20% white 5% alien and 75% Asians, black, and medditeranean people. Even though aliens out umber whites 1000-1 in the SW Galaxy and whites made up most the cast in the 70,s because America is a predominantly white nation. And no, swarthy Greek Turk roach hybrids are not white.

>Suddenly all the aliens and white men are at the slavery/animal abuse funded Casino... And the one cool white guy with the rose badge that was SUPPOSED to be the hacker guy gets exactly 5 seconds of screen time and the stupid fucking think and coon decide to hire a "savvy" prison convict instead, totally disregarding the entire reason they went there in the first place(which fails anyways)

If I made the movie, Mel Gibson would star as a long forgotten gray Jedi who joins Luke and han(alive) to kick alien ass

anakin was a virgin birth, though
rey just won the space lottery

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the asian being so selfish as to stop finn's selfless act is devastating

>"we fight for all opressed people everywhere!"

It's like if your not #1 then you get to claim oppression . Stupid marry poppins

Like one hour of the movie is filler since all of the Finn/Poe/Rose subplot is literally useless, Snoke and Phasma die leaving no villains but Kylo for episode IX, there's absolutely no character development since every character is the sake as they were at the end of TFA, particularly Kylo who is once again cucked and defeated.

Did or was it ever impled that Leia had force powers?

Can't escape that. Consider the movie in its time-period. I wish they had more white men in heroic positions, but I only do that because I'm one and I feel like pushing women and minorities this much is unhealthy. However what on-screen reasons are there for there to be whites? What reason would humans even have to go nationalistic against the aliens? To say that is to not understand the world of SW which has nothing to do with ours

She's the twin of Luke mother Fucking Skywalker, of course she has powers you retarded inbred chimp.

Mentioned in Ep VI because she's Luke's sister

>birth/family means everything for the skywalkers
>doesn't apply to Rey
fuck this shitty movie

1. Poe, Finn, and the asian chick were pointless characters that could have been left out entirely and nothing would have changed

2. Super Liea

3. They open the blast door and Leia falls in instead of EVERYONE being sucked out (shields were down boys

4. 1 fucking ship crippled/destroyed a Dreadnought

5. Rebels shown to have 4 ships left proceed to deploy over 10

6. Rey going into the black asshole

7. EVERYTHING ABOUT REY GOING TO THE SHIP

8. Snoke managed to find Rey in the force and connect her to Kylo but couldn't find her location

9. Luke can just turn off the force, you know all living things spiel

10. First Order has a forward camp already on the planet comprised of 8 fucking machinses

11. The magical back exit no one bothered to check for when making the base

12. Hux just being a straight bitch the second he gets choked a bit

13. Phasma showing up just to die again completely fucking pointless even tries to homage the sarlach pit

14. The force dice

15. The force projection lacks the blue aura despite being A FUCKING FORCE GHOST

16. Luke dies at peace while his greatest failure is saying "I will kill you, my mother, and teh Rey"

17. Rey had no training what so ever wasn't even a student yet can do everything

18. Yoda okays no training and burns down the jedi's founding tree out of character completely it is

19. Light speed crashing can destroy a flag ship that SHOULD have it's shield up. There is no reason that they couldn't just suicide bomb them and dispose of the FO's biggest ships

20. This entire movie can't even tell the passage of time at a base level

Yes. Her grandad is literally the force, she uses the force in ESB to communicate with Luke, Yoda tells a good friend that if Luke fails they can still train Leah, and in RotJ she says she could always know she was Luke's brother.

Can anyone give me the quick run down on Jar Jar being sith lord theory ?

I legitimately can't say if a single sequence in the film is without a flaw, everything is so beyond contrived it's ridiculous.

Why did luke have a map that shows how to find him whenever the rebels are in need, eventhough luke didn't want to be found ever.

Destroying a whole fleet in an instant by hyper drive kamikaze

reddit being reddit

bants

ok so she has some intuition but never actually uses the force? When did she harness the power?

im just trying to understand that why out of nowhere she can just use this like its a common thing

Quicker to tell you what was good about the movie

My nephew thinks Poe Dameron is super cool.

yes we need more nostalgia pandering and glorifying of 70 year old decaying relic actors

Forgot

21. Rey cut Kylos face with a light saber yet he still has that part of his and just left a grazing cut despite it being along the neck

literally fucking perfect had it just been a straight upward swing Kylo would be disfigured and have a reason to wear the mask, but no like a fucking elite barber she just grazes that shit up around his jaw and right below the eye.

With 0 training might I add

Because your nephew is a spic.

How was Finn able to drag Rose from right in front of the (non-firing) AT-AT's across miles of salt lake BACK to the base, going ?around? the little fight with Luke and Kylo and get back in time to have meds look at her and then escape?

>cloaking tech

there was none used here

>so it's reasonable to think he can tell when there's other cloaked ship in the vicinity

wat

Finn is a First Order spy

Why would a janitor know about the super secret tracking system?

There were two good things about the movie.

The spece battles.
(Which were filled with plot holes)

and the codebreaker.

I liked the code breaker because he blew the fuck out of finn, "good vs bad", and the stupid "rich people are evil" casino subplot.

They completely butchered lukes character

rich people are evil

But your wife's son will. He will love all the diversity and anti white subliminal writing.

i saw it a second time (free ticket) and i was falling asleep

>Rey going into the black asshole

>>rey's parents reveal (hopefully kylo was lying but it didn't seem like it)
Her parent reveal was good though. Why does she have to be someone from a special family?

Jesus Sup Forums really does have garbage taste.

>Father is sad for his son
>Memes
Why do I still come here

It's just bad writing, we're all upset and confused too.

The best Star Wars movie ever ( The Empire Strikes Back ) is a meaningless waste of time.
Who needs training?
You can become the LAST JEDI® without training and still not be a Mary Sue.

And what she said after is straight up retarded.

Anyone have the webm of the retarded guards doing the dance when rey and kylo are fighting them ?

Everything with Luke up to his last scene, that, while starting out good, had to be turned into dogshit.
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The spic and nigger were the only ones that showed some semblence of logic in their motives.
The rest of the cast acted like total retards.
Even the mutiny was the right thing to d osince the blue haired monster didn't even try to explain her "plan" to him.

I think the problem is les that yo uhave a lot of asians and blacks and so on, but the reasoning for it.
I still rememebr the interview with J.J. where he says that the only reason for Finn to be black is that he didn't want a white person in the role.,
Not because Bogeya is a good actor or anythign, but only becasue he's black.
And that just sucks.

Kids have been playing mutant turtles for 30 years. I think he'll be fine.

>Snoke is in the did right catagory?

Get the fuck out of here!
Such a total waste of a character.