Name simple ways to improve The Last Jedi

Name simple ways to improve The Last Jedi.
>Kylo Ren flies towards Leia's ship
>Leia is in his crosshairs
>he hesitates, just like he does in the final film
>decides not to kill her
>as he makes his decision, we hear a variation of the force theme or something to indicate that he made the right choice
>suddenly, her ship explodes, just like the movie
>the First Order blew it up anyways, just like the movie
>instead of surviving and flying through space like Superman, she stays DEAD
>Ren is visibly shocked, having just witnessed his mother die against his will
>this plants the seeds for his resentment of the First Order
>Ren returns to Snoke, with his head down
>Snoke asks him "Did you do it? Did you finish what you started?" referring to his mission to kill his father Han Solo, followed by his mother
>Ren hesitates and lies "Y-yes."
>Snoke senses it
>"You are conflicted... I can feel it... young apprentice..."
>"I have one final task for you, and your journey will be complete..."
>"Find and destroy your former master... Luke Skywalker... the last remnant of the ancient Jedi religion..."
>Ren goes on a mission to kill Luke, determined, but also deeply conflicted
>emotional fight between Kylo Ren and Luke, master and student, takes place on the island
>movie ends on a cliffhanger

Have Luke not die and have Leia be the one 9/11ing the Super Star Destroyer

I completely agree OP.

Dude, how the fuck is he supposed to be an evil sith lord if he doesn’t get to kill luke with his own hands. The way Luke died and lack of a true lightsaber showdown ruined the character development of Kylo, tho he is still kino

show more sexy rey scenes. first actresses i‘ve been crushing on after a movie in years.

>Ren kills Luke on the island
>right in front of Rey, the same way Vader killed Ben Kenobi in front of Luke
>after witnessing the death of her mentor, Rey makes a mad dash for the Millennium Falcon, with Ren pursuing her, determined to snuff out the Jedi
>he catches up and they fight
>very emotional fight
>the audience can feel the conflict in both of them
>Rey is injured and BARELY escapes
>the same way Luke is injured and barely escapes Vader in Empire Strikes Back
>she makes the jump to light speed
>credits roll

>yfw Sup Forums wrote a better fan fiction than Disney

You have enough pottery there to open your very own shop

>literally resorting to rehashing
how much is JJ Abrams paying you to post here?

>during the fight, Luke tells Ren (who idolizes Vader) that Vader redeemed himself before he died
>tells him that it was Vader who killed the emperor
>"LIAR!"
>Ren kills Luke in fit of blind rage, realizing that Snoke lied to him about Vader's legacy, and he murdered his father in vain
How did they fuck this up?

Tie Interceptors.

This shit writes itself, and it feels 100x more "Star Wars" than the movie Disney shat out. I'm seriously amazed at how much of a failure this movie is.

Luke's astral projection should've not been de-aged and should've been using Vader's red lightsaber.
>Using the destroyed blue one didn't make sense
>Luke wielding red would be cool
>Kylo would've been mad as fuck

I was thinking the exact same thing yesterday. That would've been the perfect death scene. Blows my mind how bad they could fuck this up

>>Ren kills Luke in fit of blind rage,

no thanks

Kylo isn’t a Sith you dumb faggot

>>Using the destroyed blue one didn't make sense
this honestly should have given away Luke. surely even in Kylo's rage he would have realized he was being rused when he saw Luke using the destroyed saber? the DVD release should probably edit it and make it green

No.

Luke and Rey would BTFO kylo instantly. In fact, Rey alone would. Its canon that he's a little angsty bitch with no training at this point.

They could have straight up killed Leia though and that may have been better. She's kind of useless outside of fan service atm.

>yfw Sup Forums wrote derivative shit worse than JJ abrahms but somehow thinks that making Farce Awakens 2.0 is "better".

I would rather have a bad original movie than MORE call backs.

>Remove the entire Resistance subplot.

It contributes nothing to the story and is responsible for most of the garbage in the film.

>Snoke knits himself back together or some shit at the end

His death was meaningless and anticlimactic.

>No/less porgs

Porgs r dum, stop shoving them into every fucking scene.

>No quips

This movie would be far better if it bothered to take itself seriously.

>>literally resorting to rehashing
he mashed together two scenes from IV and V compared to VIII that did IV(obiwan/luke death), V(bootleg Lando named Hacker or whatever and not Hoth) and VI(Dark Side mentor death)
fuck off faggot

that actually sounds way better.

>I would rather have a bad original movie than MORE call backs
>I would rather eat shit for breakfast than the off-brand of my favorite cereal
I hear this argument a lot, but do you really mean it? You seriously prefer BAD Star Wars films to good, but somewhat derivative films?

>random autists on /teaveh/ are 10x the screenwriters of paid professionals
How do these fuckers get paid millions to write schlock?

Just make Kylo really fucking evil and strong, so evil and strong than even Snoke has problems controlling him and suppressing his power, have him lose to Luke and Rey and after killing Snoke with his power unsuppressed he btfos of both at the same time and the red guards.
Movie ends with Rey running away while Luke tries to hold Kylo.

This. I saw Disney has been editing quips into the OT too. Just watching ANH the other day and they added a manlet quip when Leia meets Luke and this was not too long after they added a quipfest with Han Solo on the communications.

Yes I think so.

I liked TLJ a lot more than Force Awakens if that tells you anything. Safe is inoffensive, but TLJ took a couple legitimate chances.

Overall I don't think its a bad movie desu. It could have been made better with some more conservative editing. But i don't think any of the story beats are off.

IMO:
>Cut out the disney humor
>Make Hux an actual threat instead of a saturday morning cartoon cuck
>Don't kill off Snoke somehow
>Don't have Rey STILL have unexplained powers and skill (i.e. able to lift all those boulders effortlessly with almost no training)

Do all that and the most would be legitimately good. Snoke was ALMOST interesting from a design POV. great voice acting and intimidating not to mention actually smart to manipulate people, but FUCK he's literally nothing. Like a Marvel villain in terms of development.

Fuck off, shill.

OP here. They have more money and better connections than me.

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Omfg shut the fuck up with this “hes not a sith” he fucking objectively is and fuck off with your disney shit now kys

They took Luke and made him into a broken version of episode IV Obi-wan. Obi-wan at least still wanted to fight after years of exile and after episode III. Making Luke into this for episode VIII makes his entire hero’s journey in OT meaningless

Why is he a Sith? "Sith" isn't synonymous with "Dark Side". Sith is just a religion like Jedi.
There have been Dark Side users who weren't Sith long before Disney came along.

>remove all humor and quips
>give more backstory to Rey, Laura Dern
>have Rey turn to the Dark Side
>better love story for Finn
>no casino scene
>Bennicio Del Toro getting a bigger part
>GUISE LUKE IS DELAYING THEM SO WE CAN ESCAPE

The fuck was that about?

Not Leia. Admiral Ackbar. "It's a trap" he says before sending them all to space hell.

>leaves a map so people can find him
>Rey finds him
>the rebellion (sorry the "resistance") needs him
>I didn't come here to be found
>I came here to die
>willing to let his rebel friends die on some distant planet, without his help, because he's sad
This isn't even the same Luke we saw in The Force Awakens.

Has Star Wars ever addressed the possibility of a force user that uses the dark side but for a good purpose? Surely being passionate and emotional doesn't necessarily make you evil?

Him being a washed up Jedi works but they there was never a redemption arc

He ended up doing nothing in the end

That's already what Rey is. That was the whole "Whoa you went straight to the darkside you didn't even hesitate to get what you wanted what is wrong with you?"

That was such a contrived concept.

lucas is too simple minded for that. he believes (and thus this is fact in star wars) that there is an objective dark side and an objective lightside to the force, and the two are totally mutually exclusive: to use the dark side, you have to become an evil asshole and act like one; to be a lightside user, you have to be good and stoic like the jedi. they are an objective morality in lucas's eyes...

i think in the eyes of anyone with even half a brain, the force is visualized as just a thing. then, how to study it and how to use it are just religions or moralities or different schools of thought based on it. sith or evil guys tend to use passion and rage and anger to tap into it, and the people that do that just happen to be evil guys. whereas, the jedi realize that doing this can corrupt you, so they discourage it.

because of lucas, only dark side users can use 'force lightning' even thought 'force lightning' was never a thing: palpatine was just so strong in the force, he just used it to conjure up some lightning and torture luke. why shouldn't a lightside force user or good person be able to do that? by the same token, only a light side force user can become a force ghost and live on in the force... well, why can't a dark side user do it? it's just the force.

idk. lucas and the expansions annoy me.

Yeah it was. I think it was just to show that she has no understanding at all about what she is dealing with or the danger.

Cool you fucking faggot but everyone knows what I mean when I say he’s Sith

basically this
>Only a Sith deals in absolutes
>mfw

Wrong. There is no "light side" or whatever. There is only the force. Those who use it to do harm to others (force lightning) are referred to as the "dark side," but it's because they're using the force to do evil. Not because the force has a "light" and "dark" side to it. It's just the force. It's neutral.

I suppose so. Its not that big of a deal to me because I think you can enjoy the OT on its own merit.

I view them separately instead of continuously so I don't really care what happens to Luke. I think that him becoming a fully mature and light side person could still be undone by what happened to him. Its not THAT unreasonable (to me) that a person could have a momentary lapse of judgement when they're trained to trust their premonitions and feelings and these lead them to see Kylo as complete and pure evil.

Sure. And the other user didn't need to spaz out on you when correcting you, just like you don't need to spaz out on me for clarifying. He's not a Sith. When you call him a Sith, you are wrong. Get over it.

Sorry dude he’s a sith i don’t abide by shitty disney social justice wars canon

>Kylo Ren realizes that hi emotion are hindering and tries to suppress them, becoming more like a Jedi
>Rei uses her emotions for more strength, becoming more like a Sith
>At the end of the movie, Rei is on the dark side, but not a Sith and Ben is a "grey Jedi"
>Also Rei is revealed as Palpatines daughter

>no more setting up some fake danger and then getting the characters out of it 30 seconds later with a deux ex machina. this happened far too often in this movie.

>no more exposition. they made it so obvious, it was almost like they were expositing on the exposition.

>no pointless finn and rose subplot.

>why make finn from a lead in TFA to an ancillary character in this?

>no lightspeed vehicle ramming. either you travel through hyperspace, in which case you can't touch the imperial fleet, or you don't, in which case sending light speed projectiles into ships should have been a strategy in every single previous star wars movie.

>no holding "who are rey's parents omg" in front of the audience's face like dangling some keys in front of a baby. it was very obvious they were doing it, and everytime you'd forget, they'd bring it right back up but deliberately not finish it (playing the pronoun game). then, the reveal - what everyone knew and yet still a let down. what was the point of building that up for two whole movies?

>why set up kylo as the new vader and then have him abandon it right in this film?

>why kill luke?

>use the force to dispatch red guards since kylo and rey are apparently immensely powerful in it... demonstrated in TFA when kylo repeatedly freezes people and blaster bolts in place effortlessly, and probes their minds

>so kylo and rey are anakin tier for... reasons? what? no.

>luke's characterization was entirely wrong.

>'tracking at lightspeed' nonsense removed

>the rebel plot about the ships removed. it made no sense.

>explain snoke's backstory since there was a jedi purge and palpatine and vader ruled the galaxy for decades

>don't kill snoke; at least not the way that happened in the movie. that was really stupid, especially for a guy that powerful in the force who could read fucking minds from across the galaxy

and btw OP, ending a movie on a cliffhanger is always, always, ALWAYS stupid.

>get rid of purple haired SJW
>give Finn a hotter love interest. It was actually kinda awkward as she is waaaaay uglier than him
>Leia staying dead
>Rey trains for 20 more minutes of screen time
>inject more dialogues of Kylo and Ray before they get all feely
>Get rid of the entire casino/Del toro subplot and replace it with Finn/Rose infiltrating a first order city (fuck it thrown in Lando as a connect down there)
>Poe’s mutiny was great, just don’t make him look like a retard in the wrong to the SJW
>get rid of the Purple haired SJW

Incestuous networking and undoubtedly sleeping with the right people. Literally

Some EU stuff did brush into it but in almost all cases that person ended up succumbing and becoming a Machiavellian asshole

And that literally never showed up again.
For fuck's sake, she doesn't ever do a single thing suggesting she uses the Dark Side

I got a simple way to improve the movies.

Have them never be made at all.

>ending a movie on a cliffhanger is always, always, ALWAYS stupid
I guess you hated The Empire Strikes Back?

No man. According to Lucas, there actually are two sides to the Force: the Light side and the Dark side. I agree with you - it shouldn't be like this. It should just be a thing that exists, and then "light" and "dark" are just labels for the kinds of people that use them and how they do it.

But Lucas honest to god believes that there is an objective morality caused by the two different sides of the force. This has also been expanded upon in the games, comics, movies, etc. that aren't by Lucas based on his input.

It's stupid. Lucas is stupid. But it's how it is.

For example, only light side jedi can become force ghosts.

>Kylo Ren regains consciousness before Rey and keeps her held captive instead of her escaping to the Rebels

Rey and Ren realise that the Jedi and the Sith will continue to propagate violence in an unending struggle, so they join together, rejecting both the light and the dark, in an attempt to bring peace to the galaxy.

It didn't end on a cliffhanger? The bad guys won this round, the good guys regrouped to collect themselves, Luke didn't fall to the dark side like Yoda thought he might have...

Where was the cliffhanger? Was the ENTIRE story finished? Well... no, but that's because it was part 2 of a 3 part story. Was it a cliffhanger? No. Ending it on a cliffhanger would have been like... ending it after Luke hears the reveal and jumps down the shaft.

But no, I didn't like Empire Strikes Back much. Not because it ends on a "cliffhanger" exactly but for other reasons, though I admit it's a pretty entertaining movie.

This
Kylo Ren is a Dark Jedi, but doesn't quite fit as a Sith.

Darth Jarjar comes back and rapes Kylo Ben.

>For example, only light side jedi can become force ghosts.
I never got this. Technically we've never seen a force ghost of a Sith in the exact same way as with a Jedi, but there have been heaps of powerful Sith who have had their presence stick around for thousands of years.
It seems like nothing more than semantics to say that we don't have Sith force ghosts.

rather than going to hyperspace and anime slashing the imperial fleet, admiral tumblerina, upon realizing the transports have been spotted, instead flips the cruiser around and diverts all the energy to engines and forward shields.

while the ship is pummeled by the White Supremacy, the mon calimari starwagon begins to visibly take heavy damage, but keeps pressing on (since it is a 3km capital ship, it can take some punishment).

Realizing that the supremacy is going to be rammed, it begins to turn away hard. the resistance cruiser, heavily damaged, is unable to turn to adjust for a devasating blow on the center of the supermacy, but still impacts into the wing seconds later. The supremacy takes heavy damage and perhaps chunks of the cruiser fly on into star destroyers behind.

The supremacy is now heavily damaged which allows for all the same plot points as before (giving finn and rey the opportunities to escape), and puts the first order leadership into chaos, and enough time has been bought for the rebel transports to flee to salt hoth


this would probably be cooler to watch too

No, that is absolutely not true. Star Wars is a simple tale of good vs evil, but "light side" was never mentioned once in the films until the Disney movies. The "light side" stuff was made up by video games and RPGs to better differntiate how players used force powers.

To be a servant of the force is to be good, that is what Lucas means.

>This has also been expanded upon in the games, comics, movies, etc. that aren't by Lucas based on his input.
This is technically true but it's also contradictory among Jedi and Sith. E.g. Palpatine said that he saw no distinction between the dark side and the rest of the force, and there was another Jedi who I can't be bothered googling who said that there was only the force and that the dark side wasn't really a different thing, just the force perceived by a user with selfish or malevolent intentions.

>White Supremacy
Why did I not pick up on this in the theatre?
God it's so obvious. Is Sup Forums right after all? Is Disney just using Star Wars as propaganda now? Tell me what to think, Sup Forums

Allow for a total mutiverse retcon:

>Rebels decide the best way to prevent the rise of the Empire is to preemptively kill Vader before he can be born
>Sends a cybernetic droid disguised with living tissue to appear human back in time to kill his mother
>First Order gets wind of the plan and storms the Rebel time travel facility just as the droid departs
>Sends Hux back in time to foil their plan
>While protecting her, falls in love with Shmi and impregnates her
>Dies protecting her
>Rebellion inadvertently creates Vader, ensures timeline is broadly unaffected

This would leave plenty of room for elements of the overarching story to be retconned. Not sure who should play the time traveling droid, any suggestions?

Lmao so goodluck rewriting the whole movie you mongoloid. It has flaws but less than half of the shit you complain about is valid

Again, the idea of there being dark side users who aren't Sith has been around for literally decades before Disney bought LucasFilm.

Time travel is the mark of a hack and a last resort. Should've just set it 200 or so years in the future.

How about time travel forwards? Same characters but they're all in 1984 Los Angeles.

But Star Wars is not only a long, long time ago. It's also in a galaxy far, far away. How would they get from their galaxy to the Milky Way?

lightspeed nigger

But hyperspace has certain channels to it, it's not free form travel. How are they going to navigate the universe to find our galaxy without the equivalent of a map?

>I never got this. Technically we've never seen a force ghost of a Sith in the exact same way as with a Jedi, but there have been heaps of powerful Sith who have had their presence stick around for thousands of years.
>It seems like nothing more than semantics to say that we don't have Sith force ghosts.

The reason it was never seen was because Lucas didn't allow it. Look up what he's said about it. He doesn't like the idea of non-light side force users coming back.

>but "light side" was never mentioned once in the films

so what? "dark side" was mentioned plenty of times. Call it what you want - the fact remains, it's there and always has been.

Yeah but Palpatine says a lot of things and lies a lot, which is a dark side trait. Also, I trust George Lucas over a character in his story.

bro if you like garbage, that's between you and yours. feel free to gobble up as much swill as you want. in fact, you can have my share. i won't stop you.

> Look up what he's said about it. He doesn't like the idea of non-light side force users coming back.
Yes, I know that. My point is that it's happened repeatedly anyway. Exar Kun, the Keto siblings channeling an old Sith ghost, the only difference (and this is my point) is that the way in which the Sith appear is different, so that when you're saying thy aren't a force 'ghost' you're just playing semantics with what constitutes a ghost.

There is no "light side" and "dark side" yin-yang balance bullshit. That is all Disney ruining the force. Before, there is only the force, and the corruption of it known as the dark side. To destroy the sith is to destroy the dark side, and return balance.

have luke kill everyone then rebuild the jedi temple and the republic

Add him screaming "Noooooooooooo!" in the privacy of his ship as he witnesses the death of the one person he can't kill and I'm sold.

I thought the "dark side" was just harnessing emotional energy while the light side was using... peace?

Rey sticks a red lightsaber on one side of her staff and a blue lightsaber on the other side of her staff

Why the fuck wouldn't he have told them about Vader redeeming himself waaaay earlier?

I know a place she could stick her long broom up to :^)

1; Make the new republic and last order having a seemingly evenly matched multi-system space battle as the setting for this movie, this gives all the side characters a chance to shine in different battles.
2; real training montage and Luke doing his best Yoda impersonation. Luke could be chilling on the island, unwilling to take on more students due to reluctance to make another monster like Ren. Maybe have Yoda's ghost talk Luke into seriously training her.
3; have Finn show signs of force sensitivity throughout his side adventures. Make them more war like, less casino royal, maybe make him turn from the battle at a critical time, or even turn Phasma from the bad side, I don't care what, ANYTHING is better then that adventure with the down syndrome girl, end his plot early... because he knows he needs to be somewhere else...
4; humanize Rey by making her need to learn something.
5; Have Luke and Rey head to face Snoke and Ren together
6; Have Luke Kill Snoke, while Ren (seemingly turned good by Rey and Luke) stabs Luke in the back
7; Have Rey and Ren fight, while Luke dies on the floor, Ren wins (he HAS to win easily, in order to give tension for ep9). Luke willingly turns into a force ghost and through whispered hints helps Rey escape from Ren.
8; Despite Luke's help, Rey, injured is cornered by Ren -
9; Have Finn show up at the critical moment to spirit Rey away from Ren. Together they're able to outdo Ren, apart they're no match (call back to the end of the first movie, where it took both of them to defeat ren).
10; Have Poe play a role in the escape somehow (he needs to be a big positive role in this movie as he was the only part of ep 7 that was any good).
11; As Luke dies have the new republic suffer a major setback, and be routed from the battlefield. Use Leia sacrificing herself to help the republic flee.

ep9 setup~ A seemingly powerful Ren in charge of a resurgent Empire, and the remains of the republic on the run.

"Far, far away" is relative, far far away could be the next Galaxy over, that's still a very long way away. And the reason hyperspace lanes exist in Galaxy is so they don't run into stars and planets, outside of a galaxy there is no need for that.

god, no.

really makes me think.

Did the bad guys win? The First Order had their fleet destroyed, Snoke was killed, and the rebels escaped.

>bitch that the movie wasn't original like Sup Forums did with TFA

I'm pretty sure Kylo already knows. It seemed implied when he taunted Luke with his "Are you here to forgive me? To save my soul?" line.

Pretty sure they have a larger fleet than what was shown.

Revan did this in the KotOR games.

he became Dark Lord of the Sith to spite the Sith. The purpose of his empire was to conquer and convert the Republic, and strengthen it so that it could withstand the coming of the true Sith from the Unknown Regions.

The only way to fix the movie now is to make it entirely an illusion from Snoke as a "what if" scenario that he can correct in episode 9.