If the prequel trilogy was being released right now, new and shiny like the force awakens and the last jedi...

If the prequel trilogy was being released right now, new and shiny like the force awakens and the last jedi, would it still get the hate it got?
jar jar is literally marvel tier and people seem to love that nowadays

if the force awakens and last jedi came out before it, yeah it would be hailed as a masterpiece

Yes it would still be shit.

Just because you were 4 when it came out doesn't mean you get to revise history.

You failed to understand the question or do judt know what words mean faggot?

Your question is dumb, "jar jar is literally marvel tier" means absolutely nothing

I'm op not him. And are you implying that jar jar isn't marvel tier humor?

Holy shit, I just realized the death stick guy is Mouse.

>two white non-jew male leads in 2017
this would never happen

no because phantom menace sucks ass no matter what. no one wanted to see vader as some faggy kid. should have started with vader as a teenager and continued from there.

ep. 2and 3 are more decent. PM shits all over the lore and makes obi wan seem like a major cunt in ep 4

>luke did i ever tell you...

If the CGI was modern standard it'd help with 2 and 3, which are green screen abominations. The writing would still be terrible though.

If the prequels came out now and Disney was making them:
>They would have upped the "toxic masculinity" from Anakin. Padme would have been a stronk feminist trope. Obi-Wan would have been a hotheaded "mansplaining" douchebag and Qui-Gon would have been a woman instead. Darth Maul would also be a villain and would have survived the trilogy. No Dooku. Mace Dindu would be a sassy black lady. Grievous would be a weird cyborg babe. Boba Fett would be revealed to be black. Sheev would be painted as a white supremacist and a Trump figure from the get-go.

Darth Maul would also be a woman*

>jar jar is literally marvel tier
You're letting your hate for Marvel cloud your judgement.

>Episode 2 is better than 1

What the actual fuck

Of course. The problem with the prequels lie in the fundamentals of filmmaking on top of butchering the characters. Literally every complaint regarding TLJ boils down to "not muh Luke".

this

>Darth Maul would also be a villain and would have survived the trilogy. No Dooku
That actually would have been a good change, Maul sticking around would have been a nice plot in Obi-Wan's story. Episode 2 could have been partially about Obi-Wan trying to hunt down Maul and avenge Qui-Gon's death.

>If I had taken the prequel trilogy to a marketing company, episode I would have started here [episode III] and episodes II and III would've been about darth vader killing people.
>But at the end of the day, I just couldn't write movies like that.

its 56% better dipshit

no, and you're a faggot.
Christopher lee was good in it and you have no taste

> Literally every complaint regarding TLJ boils down to "not muh Luke".

What about suicide lightspeed ramming making every other type of warfare inefficient and every past battle becoming retrospectively stupid? What about a really ugly unlikable asian girl? What about the problem with setting up the "trilogy" with a bunch of mysteries by one director only to get them discarded by another? Please boil it down, chef.

>chef
PAN.
NICE AND HOT.

>where's. the Lamb. SAUCE!!?

Christopher Lee is a terrific actor, but he was terribly underused in the Prequels.

I'm just saying that instead of Obi-Wan a good revenge arc could have been done instead.

>Sup Forums writes and directs an already finished film

>thinking jar jar binks is the only reason the prequels are not only terrible movies but insulting on a Star Wars movie level
You've still got;
Shitty actors
Shitty script
Shitty director
Every set is in reality a long corridor with green screen along the back
Shot, counter shot dialogue
Terrible child actors
Audience told how to feel never shown
THE COMPLETE DESTRUCTION OF WHAT MADE THE FORCE A COOL CONCEPT PRE-1999
Fuck, there is not a single redeeming quality in these movies, not one.
Ewan "I worship my pedophile master" McGregor is terrible
Liam Neeson bumbles around like an old man in a betting shop
Sam "how do we get the black asses in seats" Jackson sits, stands or walks through his shitty dialogue or incredibly awkwardly swings his LE EBIN PURPLE laser sword at obviously nothing as the video game is projected around him
Fuck this movie fuck George Lucas fuck you fucking prequel babies. The sequels are more or less trash but they are at least interesting and shot with a competent vision (a trash vision but a competent trash vision) and can actually be considered movies.
Everything after 1995 was a mistake

>Literally every complaint regarding TLJ boils down to "not muh Luke".

Okay answer these for me.

>Why didn't Laura Dern tell Poe her plan instead of making him think that she had none?
>Why did they kill Snoke off when TFA suggested he was an important and scary villian?
>Why was Carrie Fisher used in the film at all when her obvious poor health made it so she was unable to deliver any line?
>Why did we even need the Canto Bight plot, it was a complete and utter waste of time
>What was the point of hyping of Rey's origin if she really is just the daughter of drunken dead nobodies?
>Why did they have to have Leia fly like Superman which made me burst out in laughter in the theater?

>>Why didn't Laura Dern tell Poe her plan instead of making him think that she had none?
Poe had just been demoted due to insubordination and Dern, being an asshole, didn't feel she had to bring him into her confidence. Dumb for story reasons, but can be argued for from a character one.
>>Why did they kill Snoke off when TFA suggested he was an important and scary villian?
Why not kill off Snoke? The movie doesn't need Palpatine 2.0
>>Why was Carrie Fisher used in the film at all when her obvious poor health made it so she was unable to deliver any line?
People would be asking 'where's Leia?' if she wasn't in it.
>>Why did we even need the Canto Bight plot, it was a complete and utter waste of time
It wasn't the best use of time
>>What was the point of hyping of Rey's origin if she really is just the daughter of drunken dead nobodies?
Fanboys hyped it up. It was never important in-universe
>>Why did they have to have Leia fly like Superman which made me burst out in laughter in the theater?
She used the force in the vacuum of space to save herself. She didn't actually fly. That scene was fine, imo

It would if Lucas owned Lucasfilm.

>people don't all conform to my opinion
wh-what

The prequels were literally more entertaining than TLJ, and paid more homage to the SW mythos.

TFA was a soulless rehash of A New Hope with diversity thrown-in for millenials.

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Not him but I'll give it a shot

>Why didn't Laura Dern tell Poe her plan instead of making him think that she had none?
Poe just wiped out the last of the rebels heavy bombers (conceptually awesome bombers btw I enjoyed more ww2 in space), got demoted and reprimanded by Leia. He had no need to know and was expected to follow orders.
I freely admit since it would have been visually poetic it rhymes to have a briefing scene it should have been explained at some point but whatever.
Admirals do not explain tactics and strategies on the bridge to idiot junior officers
>Why did they kill Snoke off when TFA suggested he was an important and scary villian?
Too much to cover too little time? Rey and Ben are far more interesting and it's a new angle than just another evil emperor with a sidekick like we've seen in the prequels and OT.
>Why was Carrie Fisher used in the film at all when her obvious poor health made it so she was unable to deliver any line?
I disagree and thought she played her role of Star Wars grandma very well, my guess is they had something special planned for the next film and now it's all cocked up because she died. Obviously she trained somewhat as a Jedi and that was probably going somewhere.
>Why did we even need the Canto Bight plot, it was a complete and utter waste of time
100% agree, it was boring and out of place and the plot with the heavy cruiser out running the empire fleet for weeks was stupid. Do we not have tie bombers anymore?
It was in there to be visually interesting and politically motivated. Implemented so badly
>What was the point of hyping of Rey's origin if she really is just the daughter of drunken dead nobodies?
Deconstructing her hopes and also to show her as a mirror of bens legendary background.
A return to the idea that anyone can be force sensitive you don't need to be a skywalker.
Of course he could be lying

>Sleazebaggano

agree with you
but at least they were not a rehash of the old trilogy like Force Awakens...

the difference is that jar jar or no jar jar, the prequels are mindnumbingly boring throughout, whereas even the most mediocre MCU flick is reasonably entertaining. I'd rather watch fucking Ant Man three times than having to sit through ATOTC one more time, ever

Rebooting a 40 year old film is fine, you're wrong on everything you said regarding the prequels.
They were a cash grab by a man unable to grasp that the only thing he did right in his life was come up with the concept of Star Wars, he can't write or direct for shit and the prequels were 100x the money grab the sequels are

>Jarjar is marvel tier

Please show me a marvel character that acts like that.

If you can't see the difference between Jar Jar's shit and Marvel Quips, then you shouldn't be here.

They would get just as much shit, but they shouldn't. They're made in a more old-fashioned cinematic language, and people don't remember it. 50-60 years ago you had cute little boys with bowl cuts saying shit like "Yippee!" on tv screens and in kinoplexes. That silliness, that goofy innocence ... it's old-fashioned and Lucas to a T.

But they were... TPM was a new hope, Clone wars was the love story one with a big battle at the end instead of the start like empire, Sith was the hyped final confrontation between light and dark with a metric fucktonne of filler and loose end tying, only difference being that at least Jedi was visually amazing where as Sith was a mass green screen headache.
Also just because a film is an original idea doesn't mean it gets some sort of brownie point gold star.

>I just couldn't write movies like that.
George, you can't write movies at all.

>(conceptually awesome bombers btw I enjoyed more ww2 in space)

You need to be punched in the face, you plebeian.

Those "bombers" were made because the authors of TLJ are retarded SJW diversity-hires that don't really know what "bombers" in the scifi context are.

They're supposed to just be heavily-armored ships relatively the same size as a fighter or small vessel, and carry heavy ordinance for dealing with capital ships. Pic related is a good example of a scifi "bomber", a large fighter that carries 4 huge torpedoes and needs an escort of regular fighters.

Scifi bombers aren't meant to literally drop dumb bombs like a WW2-era carpet bombing, and be required to fly directly over their target. That's just complete retardation. It's like you got Stacy from drama club who's never seen a piece of scifi media in her life to write a scene for a Star Wars movie based on a few ques.

Also, aren't Y-Wings and B-Wings already the established bomber class for non-Imperials?

The whole scene was shit. SHIT!!!

>plebbit double spacing
Those bombers were cool as shit and before anyone asks how do they drop in space it easily explained with engines or magnetism. My only issue with the scene was the stupid subplot with rose it was used for.
Fuck your taste in action you're wrong.

>That scene was fine, imo
My friend and I actually looked at eachother in the theatre during this moment with a 'wtf' expression across our faces. It was so retarded.

>/r/preqielmemes
Those bombers were clearly designed to look like a b-wing you fucking idiot

I think he's right about the bombers being stupid. I liked them in the cinema but thinking about it further nothing matters anymore. There is no internal consistency whatsoever. Disney have completely thrown out all the established mechanisms for how spaceships work layed down in the previous 7 films. What is even the fkn point anymore if you're just going ot keep making shit up as you go along while ignoring everything that came before?

People could be okay with it actually, II and III at least, because galactic scale battles, great light saber fights and Palpatine taking over Republic.

Even I could be excused, outside of midichloreans.

>you're wrong on everything you said regarding the prequels

The podracing in Episode 1 was more fun and entertaining than all of Canto Byte.

The gladiator arena and ground battle at the end of Episode 2 was the best ground battle of the entire series.

The space battle at the beginning of Episode 3 was the best space battle in all of Star Wars and all scifi film period.

NuWars hasn't managed to do anything as good with even more money and better technology than the early-2000s. Even their good ideas like the Mandator IV Dreadnought are ruined by stupid shit like Poe taking-out all its PDF guns by himself, and WW2 carpet bombs in space.

But they didn't.
Star Wars OT space battles are based on WW2 fighters
In Star Wars the b-wing is the rebel heavy bomber to the y-wing light bomber
In the last Jedi those bombers are called B/sf-17 or something and are clearly based on the b-wing visual with a b-17 Flying Fortress concept from ww2.
Aesthetically and stylistically they worked perfectly.
Such a shame that they were implemented poorly

This

The gladiator arena? Seriously? Like, i would've accepted the fight with Dooku with all of its "kino" lighting shit, i could understand liking that, but the fucking arena? With either the protagonists fighting ugly CG monsters or the dozens of extras swinging their sticks at the empty air? Jesus Christ

I know the bombers looked like a B-Wings, which I respect, but they should have just launched a bunch of torpedoes; not dropped actual spherical bombs. That's bantha fodder.

>plebbit double spacing
You're wrong I have no desire to watch a child race against cartoon characters in a video game product placement advert that serves as a stupid fucking plot devise that makes zero sense
The whole planet in tlj was also shit
The arena thing in ep2 looked awful, the elaborate execution idea was retarded and when the jedis showed up I wanted to vomit.
Ep3 space battle was another fucking video game FMV everything in it was insulting to Star Wars.
Go play your video games and keep your shit out of my movies

>established mechanisms of how spaceships work

It was never a thing. SW isn't the kind of sci-fi that establishes it's tech on a detailed level, it's all really damn vague and everything usually is only there to serve the plot

>WW2 carpet bombs in space
Yes because Star Wars has always been known for its realistic space combat

There ware people that would swear the prequels ware great when they released, its Stockholm syndrome. Give TLJ some time and people will universally despise it just like the prequels.

>swinging their sticks at the empty air?

>hurr I'm literally incapable of acknowledging something exists in the setting of fiction if it's CGI

Let me guess, you loved the return of retarded senile puppet Yoda?

Not him but yes puppet yoda was great visually.
Your cgi looked fucking dogshit and every fucking scene made it painfully obvious the actors were swinging at nothing.
Your taste is terrible and your opinions are wrong

>jar jar is literally marvel tier
No he isn't. Jar Jar is clumsy and uneducated, but he's not trying to be funny. He's far more sincere and serious than the average MCU character.

kek

If you remade all the space battle scenes in NuWars and the Prequels with plastic models, the Prequel scenes would still be better.

My point stands.

That is literally the funniest moment in any Star Wars movie, bravo Lucas.

You're wrong and you should feel bad.

Too many action scenes in the prequels involve the actors fighting against nothing. It doesn't make for a compelling fight and it's actively annoying the more you think about it. It's the epitome of "i dont care what I'm filming because I'll fix it in post", which is particularly obvious when you see an extra swinging his stick a certain way but then the CG lightsaber goes the opposite the direction, because (particularly obvious in the scenes with the Younglings™ for example)

But even then the idea is boring on principle, like a 12yo wrote it
>And then everyone came down from the spaceshipz and they all had an awesome lightsaber and they cut the baddie's head off because fuck yeah
>"10/10, height of originality and fun!" -Sup Forums

>referring to the sequels as Nu-Wars
Oh sweetie, everything after 1995 is nu-wars

It was at least internally-consistent and had *some* degree of realism according to its own physics.

We know that X-Wings have target-seeking torpedoes from A New Hope. We saw that the First Order star destroyers have missile-launchers that seek-out targets like crazy in TFA, similar to the droid tri-fighter missiles in Episode 3.

So why then does a serious starbound military ship made 30 years in the future after RotJ make stupid WW2 carpet bomb runs, and not just fire a bunch of torpedos?

>hurr durr, it's fun and reminds me of muh B17s from let WW2!!!
>just turn your brain off!!! XDDD

Prequel-haters are retarded normies.

>doesn't know how impossible the ship designs are in any of the Star Wars
What is a b-wing?

There's three kinds of scifi:

hard scifi (Asimov, Banks, Heinlein)

soft scifi (Star Wars, Warhammer 40k, Halo, etc.)

retard scifi

You like the prequels mate your opinion is worthless

Dooku should have existed in TPM as qui gon's master. Then him replacing Maul as the sith apprentice would have been a sick plot tweeeeest that would have set him up as the bad guy he deserved to be.

Instead he is simply some random dude who is the new Darth maul but not as cool.

>would it still get the hate it got?
>jar jar is literally marvel tier and people seem to love that nowadays
If I remember correctly, the reason people hated jar jar so much was not the clumsy "humor" but the fact that he was considered to be racist (something I personally never understood but hey, that muricans for you).

So yes, I think if the PM was released today it would probably get as much if not more hate since everything is racist nowadays.

the prequels are made of pure gold :^)