The ending is absolutely perfect, a perfect conclusion to Luke's character. He fulfills Obi Wan's example...

The ending is absolutely perfect, a perfect conclusion to Luke's character. He fulfills Obi Wan's example, he reconciles his OT idealism with the understanding of the prequel's reality, he manages to hold off an entire army without abandoning his pacifism. It shows a strong understanding of the character, and the fact that he's pushing the Force harder that it ever has before fits great.

Agreed. It was really clever visual storytelling too. And an interesting and different way of having the classic character last stand before death.

>the ending
You mean the broomboy scene?

he dies a 53 year old virgin with no accomplishments lmao

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i almost cried when he looked at the two suns and binary sunset played.

i could not imagine a better "end" for him

Maybe I was simply tired, but the death at sunset looked great. They would have killed him anyway

I'm a little shocked how much hatred the movie is getting

Its easily the best Star Wars film in decades, granted that isn't much competition

it kinda seems like everyone is just hung up on little things

Yes because a creepy uncle sneaking in nephews bedroom and sweating over his bed is exactly what I think of when I think Luke.

Cheap comedy gags really did the character justice.


> It was really clever visual storytelling too

Fuck off you fucking shill. There was nothing visually interesting about his death scene.

He serves as a cheap distraction so ten people can escape and the exhaustion kills him. Admiral tumblr got a death scene that broke all the logic of all the movies and took out an entire fleet, but this is all Luke can do before he croaks

>his pacifism
Luke killed more people in the OT than Schwarzenegger, Stallone, and every 80s action movie star, in all of their movies combined. When the fuck did he turn into a pacifist?

Yeah that part where he sucks the titty milk out of the dick pelican was truly k I n o absolutely perfect

that was not the ending. learn to read.

in the 3rd movie where he refused to kill his father or the emperor

He considered killing his young nephew because he might be into the dark side.

The same Luke that went to the second Death Star to redeem his Dad.

They ruined Luke. Now when you watch the OT you know it’s all for nothing.

>all these fucking shills itt

This is fucking scary

he changed his mind

>It shows a strong understanding of the charac-

>I'll accuse anyone who disagrees with me of having an agenda in order to deflect from my own!

>supposed to be a Jedi Knight/Master
>Still tempted to kill a defenseless teenager just because of a precognition
>Luke thinks his own nephew a lost cause eventhough years ago he can turn his dad in the light until the end
>Leia also thinks Ben, her own son, a lost cause.

Did you even see the movie? What am I saying, of course you didn’t. This is from Kylo’s version of the events, as he remembers Luke looking evil. He doesn’t like that when Luke recounts the event.

>Doesn't understand Rashomon
Don't be a brainlet. That's the scene from Kylo's perspective. The third scene is the one that happened from Luke's perspective.

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Shill post are so easy to spot
There are FOUR separate ones in this thread defending this laughably bad character assassination
Sup Forums is totally compromised

The broomboy scene I liked it and disliked it at the same time, first, served as a pretext to restore a Jedi community, but it really means that now Disney can make as many films about force-wielders as they please, until Star Wars is nothing but a dry tit.

>Upon seeing how far Kylo has already fallen, Luke has a fleeting moment of weakness that he immediately regrets
>Disregarding that Luke attempted to kill Vader many times in RotJ
>HURRR DURR NOT MUH LUKE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

calm your autism you child

It makes sense for Disney to start shilling on Sup Forums, since memes/shitposting/comments from here will spread to reddit/facebook/rest of normdom so if they stop it before it starts it's a good strategy to maintain the facade

Luke isnt a fucking pacifist. He kills like 20 people in the first hour of rotj

>it kinda seems like everyone is just hung up on little things
If by "little" you mean the entire Canto Bite sequence, the entire character of Rose and fucking Super Leia then sure. Take those out and you might have a solid movie. As it stands though you have a movie with some REALLY HIGH highs and EXTREMELY LOW lows.

what happens when luke recounts the events?

>Didn't kill Vader because he knew that doing so would seal his own fate and lead him to the dark side
>Didn't kill the emperor because he straight-up wasn't strong enough to do so

Agreed. The casino bullshit was nothing but filler that should have been taken out. My problem is the people complaining about Luke, which is actually something that the movie got 100% right.

He ignites the sword, holds it, I don’t think he even raises it in two hands. Definitely doesn’t have that evil look on his face.

Of course I watched the movie, did you?
It doesn't matter which image i use it doesn't change the fact that the SW equivalent of Superman/Goku went into his nephews bedroom with the intention of murdering him in his sleep because he felt a bit shifty

This was put in the movie all because of DUDE SUBVERT EXPECTATIONS LMAO

oh ok, so you're just a retard then maybe

>Le kylo's perspective argument.

It's the equivalency of captain america becoming a nazi regardless of the perspective.

This movie is the ultimate pleb filter.

Luke even said in the movie it was a ridiculous idea and expectation of Rey's (and the EU nerd legion) for him to go and fight the entire First Order with a laser sword. These plebs were literally wanting Luke to completely overshadow everything, steal the show, and beat everyone with his massive mary sue force cock. No, that's not how a good movie works, sorry kiddo.

Instead, the movie deals with the introspective mental state of Luke, his weakness, and his regrets. His last scene was pure kino and if you didn't like it, sorry but you're a pleb.

the casino stuff is absolutely integral to the movie, though. Luke's entire reason for shutting himself off from the conflict is because he feels it will never end, and that's in part caused by the types of people we see on Canto Blight who have a vested interest in seeing the wars continue to line their own pockets. It's also a reminder of what the Resistance is fighting for; there's a reason the movie ends with the stable boy.

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>which is actually something that the movie got 100% right.

Shut the fuck up.

He makes humiliating gags all trough the movie.
He has a scene shot like some pedophile is about to molest his nephew.
He dies from exhaustion after distracting some people for five minutes for five other people can escape.
Meanwhile a completely irrelevant character gets the most heroic death and best death scene in the entire movie and they broke all the movies logic to do it

That's how fucking awful this movie is.

kill yourself disney shill

>It doesn't matter which image i use
Then why did you happen to conveniently use the one that doesn't fit what happened? Almost like you're arguing from a dishonest position.
Luke didn't go into his bedroom with the intention to murder him.

/sg/ - Shill General

They literally only killed him because fans wanted him to live. Disney wanted the "reaction channel" audience.
>wow so shocking they killed Luke
The people at Disney have no idea what to do with the OT characters so they get rid of them and bring back the Empire vs Rebels conflict because of nostalgia. They're soft rebooting the original trilogy and adding quips and cute animals to the mix. So much wasted potential in just two movies.

>two suns
Oh shit. Random thought. Is it possible that Lucas intended the Light side to be represented by sunlight (as is made obvious in later movies) and the TWIN SUNS represents Luke and Leia? Did he plan that far back?

it was a pretty long movie, Canto Bite was a small part, although I feel like people hate it for different reasons, I dislike it for being a random James Bond movie casino world in the middle of an otherwise normal Star Wars movie, other people freak out over it because it can be seen as anti capitalist

Super Leia was super weird especially because we know she needs to be killed off soon and they just refused to do it in this movie for some reason

It was a big space opera, just like its suppose to be, people are just upset that they didn't pander to fanboys and nostalgia fags by making Luke a golden hero or Rei the daughter of some ancient mystic bloodline

>hese plebs were literally wanting Luke to completely overshadow everything, steal the show, and beat everyone with his massive mary sue force cock

They already did that with Admiral Tumblr...


>introspective mental state of Luke, his weakness, and his regrets.

Regrets of fucking hack writers assassinating his character

>No, that's not how a good movie works, sorry kiddo.
Yes I agree.


> His last scene was pure kino and if you didn't like it,

Literally fuck off. Dual sunsets is already a Star Wars cliche.

>He dies from exhaustion after distracting some people for five minutes for five other people can escape.
From across the entire universe. It was the coolest and most impressive thing done in the movie, in my opinion.

why did they have to include the shoulder brushing thing though ? made the whole scence kinda comedic.

all troughout the movie they always tried to have some kind of comedic relief even in the most intense of situations.
that was the worst thing in this movie for me.

>rey cutting boulder in half and showing her raw power
oh how about letting luke reflect on that and leave her standing there ? no fucking stupid mongolod aliens get their cart destroyed just like the cabbage man in the last airbender.

it just felt so out of place most times

It fit, he was trying to piss Kylo Ren off to distract him. Plus, it was cool.

> It was the coolest and most impressive thing done in the movie, in my opinion

Not it was not. It wasn't visually impressive, the most inventive they got was him doing some matrix style dodge.

It could have been visually impressive and memorable, but they ran out of budget and imagination. He got a really unceremonious ending.

why not just stare at him? show him hes invincible? the shoulder brushing thing was so out of place for me

>Luke literally just completed his training as a Jedi Knight = Luke years later

Wow it's like Luke newer grow as years go by.

Thanks Disney

what the fuck did you want? Luke blowing up the entire army with his mind? Bringing down the entire fleet with the force?

Luke won without even raising a finger

The Samurai duel shot, Kylo Ren realizing he's fighting an illusion and then it cutting straight to Luke on the mountain doing the monk meditation pose was real memorable and ceremonious.

>Reeeeee why isn't Luke a gary stu who never makes mistakes reeeeeeeee

>Character grow as years go by = Gary Stu

I thought you shills were briefed what a Gary Stu is

Your logic is that because Luke showed mercy to vader at the end of RotJ he is never ever allowed to have a split second of weakness or doubt.

Ok enought with the shilling I will start to post Gore if you don't stop with the shilling

>This movie is the ultimate pleb filter

Its was fucking trash, how does the story progress? what was the plot?
2 hours of rebels getting chased through space only to realise they can just hyperspeed ram the main ship all along to espape
Well that could have been resolved in the first 10 minutes

>These plebs were literally wanting Luke to completely overshadow everything, steal the show, and beat everyone with his massive mary sue force cock

Isnt that just what Rey did in the end?

Regarding Luke, there is nothing clever about turning the main character into a mopey deconstruction. There is nothing clever about being unexpected and twisty just because you can. Especially when it doesn't lead to anything interesting.

>The movie deals with the introspective mental state of Luke

Honestly this is starting to read like a DCuck Snyder thread

>broke all the logic of all the movies
fuck off brainlet

>Hyperspace collisions, whether they be intentional or by accident, could devastate or even destroy a planet. Considering the fact that the output of the reactors of many Capital ships rivaled or eclipsed that of a star, and that the energies needed to make hyperspace travel possible were vast, one could unleash a great deal of destructive power on a target. Even if a planet had its planetary shielding up at the time of a hyperspace collision, it could still have the potential to kill millions on a world such as Coruscant just due to the fallout.[4] One of the more famous hyperspace accidents occurred during the Clone Wars, when the battlecruiser Quaestor collided with the Separatist planet Pammant, fracturing it to its core.[5]

I'm not shilling for the entire movie. It's very flawed. But Luke was handled excellently and I will fight to death over this.

yes he literally isn't allowed sneaking into child bedrooms and looming over whether to kill them, like some sick fucking pedophile

this is not some random thought that passed trough his head it's contrived storytelling that even lessens Kylo's character

>this is not some random thought that passed trough his head
Actually, it literally is. That's exactly what happened. And bear in mind he went to "creepily" stalk his bedroom after he had already started getting manipulated by Snoke.

If i could see flags i could tell if it was a real shill or pretend shill. I am going with australian.

young luke was optimistic and energetic. old Luke feared Kylo would be a repeat of Vader, except there is also in the back of his mind "i stopped the biggest baddest evil ever and it cost me my young adulthood and every ounce of cunning, will, and power I had and I only just scraped by, by having them realise they weren't 100% evil"

yeah sure if you saw the possibility of that happening again and you knew a quick button press would allow all of it to vanish, you wouldnt even consider it. brainlet.

Are you fucking retarded? That's thw fucking problem. Why don't you just hyper drive ram everything with junk ships and droid pilots? Literally every space battle in all the movies have been pointless since you can just hyper drive ram them

Luke’s death was kino and anyone who says otherwise is a contrarian

>staring into a dual sunset the same way his adventure began
>clouds pushing their way over the suns to imply his death is coming
>that fucking music swell
>dies looking senere and dignified, knowing he redeemed himself

This movie is like 50% garbage and 50% genius, I legit almost shed a tear realizing I was about to see Luke die

Shitposting ironically in this thread.

>go back to sleep ben, i'm just testing out my killing weapon in the middle of the night as i stare at you

He had sensed darkness within Kylo already so he went into his room to read his mind/emotions. He had seen how far Snoke had already corrupted him and thought for a second "maybe I can take him out now and save more lives" but he instantly knew it was a fucked up thing to do and regretted it

the scene where Luke is standing over him, blade drawn and an expression that looks like he's thirsting for blood is from Kylo's own perspective where he has an interest in misremembering events in order to justify his turn to the dark side

>cares more about his dad than nephew

well, i dunno about you guys but I care way more about my dad. I have nephews that could die and I'd only feel bad for my brother/sister because they are going through a tragic loss.

If my dad died i'd honestly contemplate suicide before trying to live the rest of my life how he would have wanted me to.

>different way of having the classic character last stand before death
Everyone and their mother wanted this and no one would have complained.

>Something dumb from the old canon that got wiped out with all the rest of it with the Disney buyout
>For whatever reason Disney decides to bring it back in the new canon and put it in one of the main movies so that it's impossible to ignore how stupid it is

>whole point of Luke is that he's not Obi-Wan or Vader, he's his own man and will create a new Jedi order with a fresh new take on the Force
>The ending is absolutely perfect because Luke pulls an Obi-Wan

Kys, shill.

>This movie is like 50% garbage and 50% genius
Exactly. Luke, Rey and Kylo = Genius
Poe = Eh
Finn and Rose = Shit

>Kylo-"Did you come here to aplogize"
>Luke -"What me , i dindu nuffin"

It would have been okay for Luke to have a split second of weakness or doubt but that's an incredibly generic thing to say. It could mean anything from taking a year to meditate to decapitating Kylo Ren in a fit of rage.
What sucks is that Luke's failure is a regression of his heroic journey. It wasn't a new problem that he faced and faltered with. It was something that happened before with his literal murder dad, but Luke failed to overcome an arguably easier obstacle. It was a deconstruction of the hero that only grew more wise and good with each movie in the OT.
You can argue how people don't stay the same for a decade or whatever, but Luke isn't a person. He was a fairy tale hero for a childish story. Which is why some people are mad. What they did with Luke is unarguably dis-constructive, for better or for worse.
Not him btw.

>everyone posting different opinions to reddit are shills

sounds like normal Sup Forums to me and not this bizzaro "haha fug EA for battdrumpf 2! TLJ is trash cus ma luke die :((( *begins waiting for reddits next big opinion to repeat on Sup Forums*"

best part is when he goes "nothin personnel kid".

*Brushes off shoulder*

"See ya later kid!"

*Disappears into the force*

>Durr, if it was possible, why didn't everyone just constantly crash airships into buildings? I don't buy 9/11

It's what I wanted and was expecting, but what I got was much better. Bravo.

yeah, thats an actual Marvel storyline you fucking sperg and it was rated incredibly well.

just google captain america heil hydra.

>>whole point of Luke is that he's not Obi-Wan or Vader, he's his own man and will create a new Jedi order with a fresh new take on the Force
This is why I can't take the people that hated Luke in this movie seriously. They're facing him with their bullshit expanded universe version because of video games and novels.

COMMANDA HYPERDRIVE ALL DA SHIT AND RAM THE MATHAFUCKAS

>See ya arround kid
>*dies*
>Kylo will never have is revenge on the master that fucked him
why even live

wow..brilliant storytelling. What completely non contrived bullshit in order to justify the drama. He quickly changed his mind, but remained in that position long enough for Kylo to see him it was all just a big misunderstanding. Just like my mexican soap operas

FUCK OFF

It's still character assassination, and completely misunderstanding the character. Being blind , arrogant and failing a student like Obi Wan is failure enough and good paralel too . But no the last white male protagonist of the saga had to be completely humiliated so they make him do humiliating gags and made him want to murder his own pupil. And he redeems himself by a cheap trick that's 1000 times less impressive than what tumblr self insert got

>they broke all the movies logic to do it

Hyperspace collisions, whether they be intentional or by accident, could devastate or even destroy a planet. Considering the fact that the output of the reactors of many Capital ships rivaled or eclipsed that of a star, and that the energies needed to make hyperspace travel possible were vast, one could unleash a great deal of destructive power on a target. Even if a planet had its planetary shielding up at the time of a hyperspace collision, it could still have the potential to kill millions on a world such as Coruscant just due to the fallout.[4] One of the more famous hyperspace accidents occurred during the Clone Wars, when the battlecruiser Quaestor collided with the Separatist planet Pammant, fracturing it to its core.[5]

brainlet.

It's about as contrived as anything that happened in the original trilogy. I believe your issue is nostalgia goggles.

>Character assassination
>He had a mistake, redeems himself and ends his arc in a bad ass creative way
Nope. Character assassination would have been him doing le epic ultra jedi 2k kill takedown, which is what I'm suspecting the majority of reddit normies in this board wanted.

>It's about as contrived as anything that happened in the original trilogy

Explain moments that are as contrived as this please.

Nope it was pure shit. The director shows off about going against all expectations but that was to a detriment of the film. Luke never really shown any signs of being a pacifist and even at that he didn't really do a good job of it. Why leave the map if he never wanted to be found? Why even acknowledge Rey at all? He must have know what would happen if he did. Why not let Kylo actually strike him down if that's what he told him?

Never even mind the whole hour long chase shit, the film is a mess.

shills aren't real they said

Thats it exactly, it's out of an HBO serial, its made for TV garbage

Right at the beginning of A New Hope, when the empire lets a single unmanned escape pod go through because there are no life forms, even though droids have existed for centuries.

Wait wait, are u telling me that the same Luke that lost his shit fighting his father when he threatens to turn her sister to the dark side, had A MOMENT OF DOUBT when he saw Kylo's mind and I quote (more or less) "I saw he was going to kill everything that I loved" implying probably Han Solo's death or Leia's? MUH LUKE? CHARCTER AZZAZINATION GAISS!!

No just no

He exiled himself because he wasn't at peace
Died while his greatest failure and reason for exile was screaming that he'd kill him, his sister, and the only girl he's seen in 10 years.

There was 0 reason to end his story here as he ABSOLUTELY did no die peacefully. Had he left the planet to face his demons that would have been one thing, but no he stayed on the fucking planet meaning he still has fucking issues.

Symbolically the "Ghost of Luke" was with them the entire time and was the motivational factor so having him show up a force spook does not symbolically work for him getting over his issues

it's more alike to Rashomon, in that different people perceive the same events differently in order to suit their own agendas

but it's not like any of you fucking brainlets know what that is

No he refused, that's why he tossed aside his weapon. That's why big daddy Vader manned up and did it himself.

>What were kamikaze

It's perfect, too. Since George Lucas was heavily inspired by Kurosawa when he made the first Star War movies.
We're the only non brainlets in this fucking board, user. Reddit has taken over.