Huge plot hole in TLJ

Why did they never hyper drive ram each other in the previous star wars movies?

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They could have made remote-controlled hyperdrive missiles that could have destroyed the Death Star in a couple of hits with this films logic. Unfortunately the writers are retarded and don't care about lore or fans.

It took a woman to think of this user a brilliant purple haired woman

This from the looks of it seems like the "Unsheathes katana, teleports behind you" meme only spaceships. I wanna see the movie just to see if there's a "NANI?!?!" from the star destroyers now.

We didn't simply have the creativity as a collective species to think of it

Because up until now, all military decisions were made by straight white men, not stronk purple haired wymyn. Diversity is Strength.

This is why we need women in the special forces.

How long till people start taking this ironic shitposting seriously?

>implying people haven't already

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>film has the most feminist shilling out of the whole saga
>"toxic masculinity"

Just get an old wreck, get it barely functional, fix the hyperdrive, and get some old astromechs and a protocol droid to pilot it. Cheap fleet-killing, Death Star-killing super weapon. Bravo Rian, you broke the entire Star Wars universe in the span of one scene.

remember when in Jedi a single fighter crashing into a super star destroyer made it fall into the death star? This thing wasn't that big bullshit as that.

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>Put a purple-haired feminist in charge
>Suicide missions and acts of genocide become the norm

Because ships are valuable. The rebels only had a couple of these cruisers and the resistance only had 1. It's not as bad as the A-Wing bringing down the Executor.

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Because shields? A single A-wing was able to kamikaze into the Executor in ROTJ and destroy it once the bridge shields were down

The Executor lost its forward shields and gun batteries (directly mentioned by the officers) to intense bombardment over the course a battle that took up the entire last act of the film, and the A-Wing scored a lucky hit by taking out the bridge.

It's not the same thing.

The question isn't necessarily about ships, it's about this kind of warfare. They could have made unmanned hyperdrive torpedoes dammit.

It's the worst thing that has happened in Star Wars. It's now official Star Wars canon that every single battle we saw only lasted more than 2 seconds because everyone was a moron.

The Executor was silly but it can be explained.
Ackbar yells
"All ships focus fire on the Super Star Destroyer!" so it was taking fire from the entire Rebel armada. The shields were weakened, furthermore, that was a suicide attack (I don't remember if that's canon or noncanon anymore) done on purpose. The A Wing was loaded for bear with explosives on a mission to crash into the bridge with its shields weakened. The real issue with that either way is the lack of redundant systems to keep the Executor "afloat" so to speak. It got caught in the Death Star II's gravity well and crashed, but realistically they would have had some secondary and tertiary systems to keep the thing going even if it lost its primary control bridge.
I mean if we're getting really anal about it they wouldn't have the primary control bridge be an exposed superstructure in the first place.

Why did a Star Destroyer never tractor-beam an asteroid into a planet? Asteroids are plentiful and free.

How is that even possible? I thought hyperspace was a worm hole or different dimension hence you don't ((hyper ram)) every planet in your path when flying across the universe

Because they never wanted to sacrifise their own cruisers, since the resistance already had numeric disadvantage? It takes mass to do it.

Just wait until Baghdadi will be the leader of the resistance in EP9 and we Star wars goes full toyota warfare

Nah. The reason ships require shields to jump into hyperspace is because otherwise they'd be destroyed by micrometeors during the jump.

Why didnt armed forces around the world use kamikaze tactics against ships? Did Japan break the plot of WW2?

Are you having a stroke, or am I?

kek

Nah, Ackbar goes "Concentrate all fire on that Super Star Destroyer." Basically they manged to drop the shields and they just focused it down. The A-Wing dealt the killing blow by knocking out the control center, sending the heavily damaged SSD careening into the DS2.

Of course we now know what he should have done is just tell his nav computer to aim directly at the reactor of the DS2, eject, and send it hyperspacing through the DS2, killing it and the emperor instantly and winning the war.

A-Wing was not a suicide mission. Dude got shot and lost control of his ship. A-Wings are essentially a fuel tank strapped to an engine

What a retarded comparison. A better comparison is why wouldn't the armed forces use a torpedo that can be sent from anywhere in the world, instantly destroy the japanese navy and only takes a junk ship and an engine to do it.

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Kamikaze attacks require a person willing to die for the cause. Specifically to die, on purpose, no chance of survival. This is atypical to human behavior, only fanatics show that kind of fervor thus suicidal attackers are very rare and limited to crazy fringe beliefs like Japanese Imperialism and Islam.

However Star Wars doesn't have this problem at all. They have Droids. They don't need anyone to die for any reason they just need to put an AI smart enough to follow its guidance targeter and an FTL drive and now they have a superweapon they can mass produce.
Fucking, we have the same tech today on a lesser scale. The fucking INSANT humans could make suicide robots we did.
Bringing it up in Star Wars was fucking stupid. Now there's no reason the Trade Federation could have possibly lost the war. They could have just made a billion ramming ships and won the war in a year.

In the game and material that's probably not canon anymore it was a suicide mission and the A Wing was loaded with explosives.

>Huge plot hole in American History

Why did they never fly planes into skyscrapers before 9/11

yeah, i'm sure all the manpower/ammo/energy/other ships saved, not to mention a guaranteed victory isn't worth the price of a ship.

just make FTL missiles then? hell, maybe a single missile could make multiple runs through a single target

Why did nobody ever invent missiles with hyperdrives?

droid lives matter you fucking vader

Only big capital ships contain enough mass to successfully tear through large fields of matter, smaller ships like frigates or fighters would just disintegrate if they hit resistance during hyperspace. Since capital ships are valuable, this would only be done under very dire circumstances.

There Rian, I just saved your fuckup.

Cost, probably. That was a big fucking ship that took out Snoke's. And even then, while it crippled the ship, it appeared to be still operational enough.

Also you wouldn't take out shit in ROTJ while the Death Star still had their shield up

They did. Read dark empire

>Huge plot hole in TLJ

The skyscrapers were literally built with that in mind you retard. The burning fuel just heated up the structure to the point that it fell apart under its own weight.

attach a drive to an asteroid

Its the same kind of retardness when as a kid you are playing with toys and then some utter retard twat pretends he is a fucking nuclear bomb and kills everyone and pretty much destroys the whole playing situation.

roger that

The point being, why doesn't someone do something before someone does it? A century of flight before someone tried it.

The kamikaze A-Wing pilot's memory lives on.

>flying through hyper space ain't like dusting crops boy. One wrong calculation and we'd fly through a supernova

Not canon

You could put incredibly dangerous unstable and shitty FTL drives on an asteroid and just launch it through

Yeah like how in TLJ, the woman killed Kylo Ren this way, guaranteeing the safety of the Resistance

>attach hyperspace drive to solid block of durasteel
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They've opened a can of worms that they cannot undo. This was something that should never have been brought up because it's fucking stupid and breaks all internal logical consistency. If they have hyperspeed weapons all conventional weapons are obsolete and there's no reason for fleets to exist because as soon as someone goes to war their fleet would be obliterated by hyperspeed missiles.

This is the equivalent of writing in nuclear bombs to a 17th century piece of fiction. You can't do that, suddenly no war makes sense anymore within the confines of the setting.

By your retard logic, someone should've hyperdrive rammed a ship the instant hyperdrive tech is invented.

Are you seriously saying the idea wasn't there? You're fucking retarded if you think that's even close to a valid comparison. It's like having rockets purely for going out into space and the idea of putting a nuke on one of the rockets never existed.

lol star wars is retarded

Because we shot bombs at skyscrapers you giant ignorant buffoon and Fuck off retard

Literally just rig hyperspace engines on random asteroids you can find anywhere in space and slam dunk that shit into the targets.

They literally should have

t. anyone who understands F = M * V^2

SW ships warp so fast that it's pretty hard to believe any shield could block the energy of something going like 10,000 light years an hour. You could probably smash right through the shield and one shot the Death Star if you lined it up with the reactor.

We didn't hear it but Holdo was yelling, "FIRST!" as she engaged the hyperdrive.

Hyperspace was a different dimension in the EU, so I have no idea how it's supposed to work in this film (or the entire franchise now).

The First Order at the beginning of TFA is like, an empire of nothing. They still manage to build Death Star 9000 despite being a crippled shadow of its former glory. By TLJ it's conquered whatever it didn't blow up from the Republic (I think?).

So exactly what the fuck are is the First Order treasurey up to? Will Kylo release his tax returns? By all rights they should be able to afford hyperdrive fucking blasters for their shittiest troopers.

(It's like pottery though. WW2 Germans also spent all their R&D effort into weapons that didn't help their war effort at all (V1/V2 and their railway guns))

The same reason we don't ram tanks and ships with tanks and ships.

>Only big capital ships contain enough mass to successfully tear through large fields of matter, smaller ships like frigates or fighters would just disintegrate if they hit resistance during hyperspace
Tiny specs of space dust are ship destroying threats when accelerated to a large fraction of light speed. An X-wing would destroy a planet.

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I'd rather have whimsical "broadsides in space" rather than "break the entire universe" hyperspace weapons

Seriously, The Mouse's writers for Soy Wars are dumb as rocks.

Uh, yeah dude, that's the fucking problem. Thousands of years of space war with the ability to accelerate an object so fast it crosses the galaxy in a matter of hours, and nobody ever thought to turn it into a weapon. That's kinda what we're complaining about here. Welcome to the discussion.

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fuck my grammar (and basic syntax...) is bad in this post, please imagine me as a rabid drunk, angry at kids movies on the internet at 3am, because that is what I am

A good writer would just alter the setting. And tracking ships across the Galaxy doesn't sound simple. Knowing a fleet is at a specific planet or region of space is not the same as being able to track that ship specifically. Traveling through hyperspace still takes time depending on distance as well. So if you could calculate the location of a ship, you'd have to bet on it not moving at all or guessing where it would move.

This worked because she hit hyperspace right in front of them. There's still potential applications, but it's not the end all be able please of space warfare

There isn't.
During the scene there is dead silence then the explosions start.

I think there is not even a single reaction from the fleet about their destroyed ships. It's not even mentioned in the movie anymore.

the idea is that there's a delay between the hyper drive starting up and actually going into hyperspace
you see this in every star wars movie
and while the ship is still transitioning to hyperspace, it's accelerating (this is also seen in every star wars movie)
So pink hair woman calculated and crossed paths with the big ship while her ship wasn't fully in hyperspace yet, thus generating a lot of force upon contact with the enemy ship

it's not that difficult

There was no need because we had missiles, suicide planes are just ghetto missiles just like how this thing is a ghetto setting destroyer.

I see broadsides as a usefull way to bypass shields if we consider capital ships have bubble like shields, similar to TLJ. A bit in the same vein as in LOGH, only with less performant weapons at a distance. Therefore broadsides make sense from a certain point of view.

No, he’s right for a different reason. If you go to war, light-speed projectiles means your planet ceases to exist.

>reading comprehension

I'm trying to illustrate the logical falacy OP has presented. Just because it might be possible to do something, doesn't mean that it has been done before the first time someone attempts to do it.

For instance, the first time you sucked your own dick, was autofellating common practice? No, and it still isn't. Did you yell, "plot hole! Why doesn't everyone suck their own dick?"

Using real world physics it would vaporize both ships instantly. That A-Wing from ROTJ could have obliterated the DS2 instantly if it went to SW speed FTL.

Using the retarded screen canon, it punches a hole like a bullet going at the speed of SW FTL. If the A-Wing in ROTJ did this to the DS2, it could still one shot the DS2 if you aimed it at the reactor.

The ability to do either would completely change space warfare to be all about tiny ships and FTL weapons.

>hyperspace to last known enemy fleet location
>if fleet not here retarget
>rinse and repeat until fleet = dead

Star Wars is Science Fantasy based on 17th century naval warfare bringing real life tactics into it displays a fundamental misunderstanding of what Star Wars is and thus it is not Star Wars but shitty fanfiction and you're a stupid retard defending fanfiction.

That's not how it worked, though. You weren't travelling FTL until you were in hyperspace, The hyperdrive allowed you to enter it. They were basically worm holes that were connected to fixed points in space. This is why they had to travel along hyperspace routes.

Rewatch a New Hope. Put the fanfiction down

WHY wasn’t this the plan from the beginning? they could have prevented so many ships from being destroyed! plus the purple hair lady had already decided on a suicide mission. whether or not you see your transports being fired upon wouldn’t this idea have occurred to you already if you knew it to be effective?

How much are they paying you

>goes into hyperspace
>stop right before the ship/death star/planet
>enters it directly again
>win

Planet killing weapons exist in the setting already. This is not a significant development.

>you wrote this and thought it was good
>missing the point this hard
>being THIS retarded

The absolute state of modern Star Wars fans

To suck my own dick? I do it for free.

Not the guy you're arguing with, but are you retarded or something? Weaponizing FTL is something people would have done within 20 years of inventing FTL, not 20,000+ years after its invention.

The ability to instantly destroy a planet with zero risk, time, or expense is not a significant development? A rock with a booster now being infinitely more effective than the Death Star could ever hope to be is not a significant development?

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>For instance, the first time you sucked your own dick, was autofellating common practice? No, and it still isn't. Did you yell, "plot hole! Why doesn't everyone suck their own dick?"

Mate, this more like having a girl pushing her pussy on your dick for thousands of years saying she wants to fuck you and you wonder why you never get laid.

In a setting as old as Star Wars, yes, it is. Planet killing weapons were previously relegated to superweapons that took a galactic empire's resources to construct, threats of an obscene level.

Now they've introduced superweapons any two bit space port can construct. And "they just now thought of it" is the DUMBEST shit. Star Wars is an OLD FUCKING SETTING. You're telling me in hundreds of thousands of years of space warfare, in a setting where they have sapient AI, no one ever thought to slap an FTL drive on a rock or a concussive bomb? Until this purple haired bitch did?
It's a fucking plot hole of inordinate proportions.

How much of your arsenal do you burn doing this?

>17th century naval warfare

Oh that's why they spend so much time in the water

With this, standard fighter craft like x-wings are now planet killing weapons. The empire should've just made ten million hyperspace missiles instead of one death star and they would've been unbeatable.

When she sat back in the driver seat I figured she'd move the ship to cover the escape pods but I guess that wouldn't really look impressive. The moment the order people said she's going to jump to light speed I knew what was gonna happen and honestly though it's a neat idea at the time but even slightly thinking about it made me realize just how fucking retarded and universe-ruining this whole thing is. Maybe whoever wrote this should have thought about it for more then a fucking second and beyond the visual spectacle of it.
Do they really not have anyone at Disney to read the fucking script and offer criticism before shooting the fucking movie?

it would make the Empire (or any aggressive group with FTL weapons) ridiculously OP as well; they can hold anywhere hostage with magical FTL weapons. Tiny but durable FTL missiles could tear apart planets, and there would be no way of defending against it, so there just wouldn't be war at all so long as the Empire is willing to actually use its ridiculously OP FTL weapons.

I think that the Star Wars universe is supposed to be pretty tech illiterate, and just inheritors of magical shit that nobody really understands; so the bigger plot hole will be that now that the cat is 100% out of the bag, why don't people develop/use FTL weapons?

As much as it costs to build an engine.
The Galactic Empire can produce thousands of capital ships every single year and even the Rebellion was able to scrounge together quite a significant fleet. Furthermore, FTL drives aren't particularly expensive. Every single X Wing has one. FTL is not capital ship level, it's trader level, every single freighter in the universe is now a superweapon if we follow current Star Wars internal consistency.

This entire thread assumes that in all of galactic history, nobody ever tried this just because we haven't been told about it.

And it was never mentioned again. We can't have the bad guys copying what works and we can't leave an easy answer for every battle lying around.

We assume that because nobody has ever used FTL hyper drive weapons in all the movies until this point when it's such an obvious thing that would make any battle be a one sided shitfest depending on the side that had such weapons.