Let's have a movie long chase with no way to discern speed so it looks like everything is going really slow and let's...

>let's have a movie long chase with no way to discern speed so it looks like everything is going really slow and let's just pretend the resistance ships are all faster than any imperial ships and let's just completely forget that we have a fucking super carrier with long range bombers that could swarm the tiny resistance cruiser in minutes
>nah let's just follow them and take potshots with our artillery cannons

Seriously, this had to be the dumbest fucking shit I've ever seen in ANY space sci-fi in the last 10 years.

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>last rebel base is in some mountain with a huge wall
>first order inches away from their goals
>instead of swarming them with thousands of units they send in like 8 AT-AT and 20 Tie Fighter

Not just that but
>time is of the essence
>lets jump to hyperspace and come back later in the movie to try and keep them from tracking us through hyperspace so we can make a jump with limited fuel
>Guys we made it back with the guy who can help us
>fuck your plan we're going to just let them shoot a bunch of us in full view
>oh fuck they're shooting the transports
>better throw away this expensive asset we sacrificed all of our support ships trying to save
Its getting harder to find any reason to like this movie beyond pure aesthetic scenery

I just wanna say if you gonna fly into a cloud of salt dust with the windows open it's gonna fucking sting.
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I just want to say that it's crazy that the empire didn't just mark the cruisers course since it wasn't doing anything but straight ahead and just send off a few ships into lightspeed then lightspeed them back in front of the cruiser boxing them in. Like this would have taken maybe 2 minutes and it would have ended the chase nearly immediately.

Dont forget the beginning:
>See the last rebell cruiser, which is there only escape
>See rebell base on the planet
>attack planet base first

APOLOGIZE

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Why did those fucking speeders need to touch the ground all the time anyway?

For balance- yeah right! Cuz it looks awesome.
Pretty much the problem with the movie.
"Yeah, that would look awesome" every scene

well to be fair it is a much more attractive film than JJs adhd riddled cinematrography and lazy art design

This made no damn sense. They could light speed away unnoticed to a casino world but neither side uses this to their advantage? Why didn't the fist order light speed one ship ahead of their path. Why ddin't they lightspeed away to get fuel. Or lightspeed to different places. Or I don't know, not fucking be stupid.

Are you brain damaged? The First Order doesn't HAVE thousands of units. What you saw there was all they had left.

But the imperial ships can jump whenever they wan't, they can send some to jump in front, above, to the side, the whole thing is fucking stupid.

Yeah, why didn't they call in a dreadnaught or something?

In fact, why does it seem like the ENTIRE rebel army/first order is contained in these 12 ships?

They were failing pieces of junk you retard.

How could they possibly be a threat to the galaxy then? Especially considering planets seem to have their own police force?

I'm pretty sure they pulled a lever or something and why did everyone of them have one? All falling junk at the same spot, prety major design flaw lol

that was obvious, but doesnt indicate why they would need to have a fin stuck in the ground, given that civilization has been spacefaring for "over a thousand generations"

The "military" tactics in the last jedi were shit. More than half the dilemmas weren't even issues.
The only thing that was risen in me watching it was my blood pressure.

Are you? Over half of Supremacy was intact.

I still can't believe this. Who wrote this trash?

>TFO controls the galaxy with like 20 people and some walkers

If the rebels could launch ships to hyper space, see the ship with fin and rose, why couldn't they send them out to get more fuel?

So the rebels had at least three decently large ships, the main cruiser and the medical frigates.

Why didn't they distribute the people evenly into each one, then jump to 3 different destinations. The first order would only be able to track one of them and 2/3 of them would be safe leaving only 1/3 of the rebels in the situation they were already in just in a different location.

the 3km mon calamari cruiser requires substantially more hypermatter to take into hyperspace than the millenium falcon

the real question is why the resistance cant afford a full tank of gas in the first place

>The only leadership they have is three officers and a Supreme Leader
Now that's inexcusable.

Why didn't the First Order just offload a ship and /lightspeedmissile the "Rebellion" first?

>citation: none

they canonically rule over a large swathe of the 'unknown sectors' which are apparently populated enough to manufacture and crew all these ships]

Because Holdo's plan was supposed to save ALL of them, not just some.

If Poe hadn't blabbed, it would have worked.

The main ship was only damaged on one side. Most of it was still intact. Which means they would still have thousands of troops, personnel, and likely other hangers from which to launch fighters and material.

I WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT AN IMPERIAL STAR DESTROYER CAUGHT A BLOCKADE RUNNER IN A NEW HOPE WHICH IS ONE OF THE FASTEST SHIPS THE REBELLION AND RESISTANCE HAVE. YET THEY COULDN'T CATCH A LUMBERING CRUISER.

FUCK THIS SHIT WRITING HOLY FUCK

There would be at least a thousand of every kind of walker on a ship THAT big.

>not to mention they also had tractor beams

oh god you're right it's like nobody who made or wrote this film has seen a star wars movie

The rebels had more crusiers than the new republuc lmao

Also people were worried that a star destroyer could catch up to the millennium falcon, Han knew better, but the fact that they were worried about it proves star destroyers must be fast.

>is literally the first piece of canon information you see in any Star Wars anything
>completely forgotten or ignored thanks to Disney

I also want to remind everyone that Han solo has the fastest hunk of junk in the galaxy but even he couldn't outrun an Imperial Star Destroyer, it came from his own mouth.

In Italian, we call the Destroyer "Cacciatorpediniere".
"Caccia" is hunt.
"Cacciatorpediniere" ships are fast and maneuvrable.

>let's not jump just in range each time they evade us
>let's not try to 3D-encircle them
>let's not try to negotiate a reddition to at least weaken their ranks

>let's not gas that mountain base but spend expensive AT-AT and fighters to take it

Furthermore if the resistance ships are out of range, but within sensor range, why not just do a lightspeed microjump to catch up?

It's almost like the writers don't understand how the technology in star wars works because it's literally never been explained.

Did you not pay attention to what happened in ANH? The first line of the film is C-3PO reporting that the last shot had shut down their main reactor, i.e. thrust was lost.

If you saw Rebel One, you recall the blockade runner was just launched from close proximity to the imperial ships.

Thus, the star destroyer didn't really "catch" the blockade runner, it disabled it while it was still in range as it tried to get away. Can't discern much about their speeds in that scenario.

this is a double edged argument in that it illustrates that capital ships are capable of extreme sublight velocities, outmatching blockade runners and the milennium falcon (both of which are also fast), the only things that seem to be faster are tiny fighters (at sublight, the falcon was supposedly one of the fastest hyperspace travelers, including faster than an ISD, per hans commentary)

since mon calamari were noted as being more bespoke and generally better shipbuilders, it is feasible that their cruiser is faster than the imperial fleet in 8


I in no way think rian thought about any of this though, 8 felt like it was written by someone who'd never even seen the previous films before

Does US Army move every single soldier in America to where ever they operate? I could get more inteligent discussion from a fucking cockroach.

and did you not pay attention to the multiple utterings that that Falcon is the fastest or one of the fastest ships in the galaxy yet Han explicitly says he can't outrun an imperial star destroyer?

That was at sublight, he wanted to get to hyperspace where the falcon was faster

im not him and im not sure what the argument was about, but i wanted to clarify that point

>16 hours of space tailgating
>drama

that ship in the op look like it is ran and can house 10 million troops alone.

not an outrageous number since a regular Imperial II star destroyer that is only 1.6km long, houses 10,000 stormtroopers, alongside its 40,000 crewmen

Really? Because the entire concept of a battering ram cannon made me laugh out loud. Why not have an arrow sword bazooka too or maybe a lawnmower glass of water.

This was the worst movie ever made and not a single scene was even neutral. It was all shit right from the cringe on hold joke and a spaceship drifting right until the credits.

>Seriously, this had to be the dumbest fucking shit I've ever seen in ANY space sci-fi in the last 10 years.

did you finish the movie? because the resistance ship hyperspeed katanas the entire imperial fleet.

Yeah. Nevermind the fact that we were supposed to believe that while they had so little left, handful of atst or whatever and a shuttle, they also just happened to have one super rare never before seen miniature death star battering ram lazer?

Why not just park what was left of the Supremacy over the planet and bombard the rebels from orbit?

My favorite part was when the guy was like look this is salt and not snow and we’re defending delta base not echo base ok? Also it’s red underneath look

>its miniaturized death star tech!

>look nothing like superlaser, behaves nothing like superlaser
>miniature superlasers already seen on republic gunships in the prequels

why must we have these stupid references to make idiot viewers go 'ahh'

>the earth where you can deploy you troop within hours at any point you wish can be comapred to a fucking galaxy where eve nhyperspace travel can take a few weeks depending on where you want to go

It's almost as if I'm talking to a cockroach.
At least that would explain the exorbitant level of retardness I encounter.

Rey getting bitchslapped around by Snoke was entertaining.
So around 2-3 minutes of 2,5 hours...

this film could have been cut down by a good 45 mins and not suffered

>Because Holdo's plan was supposed to save ALL of them, not just some.

that's why she waited till most of the transport cruisers were destroyed before going kamikaze.

also why didnt the 30 transport ships jump to hyperspace in different directions? face it, beta/roastie, the movie was stupid

You know what the funny part is. In the TFA ICS they mentioned that the Resurgent can actually be faster than their tie fighters in a straight line.

Meanwhile, the tie fighters managed to even overtake the Resistance cruisers yet the Resurgent can't keep up. They can't even be consistent to their own new material.

>Star Destroyer needs 40,000 crewmen to operate efficiently
>Probably a skeleton crew of at least a few thousands to operate at all
>All it takes to pilot a Mon Calamari cruiser is one strong woman with purple hair

aren't there like a billion buttons on those things? Or is there just a steering wheel and an accelerator?

This is actually more or less true, most of the crew is for maintenance, observation (of internal system or sensors), and crew to maintain services for the crew (cooking, janitorial, etc). Even on modern ships its not a good design if the command to accelerate or turn needs to go through ten crewmen to happen.

With star wars technology one person probably could drive the ship for a little while, but it would be vulnerable to even the slightest of malfunctions, there's no one to monitor things, and god forbid an enemy tried to board it.

focus on the retardation of the ram itself, especially since the exact same plot effect could have been achieved with her just ramming the supremacy at sublight

attention to detail is not encouraged. it costs too much money and the average viewer doesn't care.

>still trying to make sense of Star Wars
SW is in a "post-sense" era. It's literally ok when Disney does it. Did you not notice all the 4th wall breaking like "Wait, Star Wars battles don't make sense they could just lightspeed everywhere"
"oh ok, then I guess we're running out of fuel so at least the story has some tension"

>focus on the retardation of the ram itself

you'd think the navigational computer would not let you hyperdrive into something. The stupider part is- why didn't all the ships, including the transport ships, jump to hyperspace in different directions?

>Admiral tumblr, upon realizing that the transport ships have been spotted, begins to turn her ship around
>The supremacy thinks she is just trying to escape or distract them, and continues firing upon the transports
>Admiral swings her ship all the way around and begins accelerating towards the supremacy at full speed, the ships closing together rapidly
>Hux panics and orders all weapons on the cruiser, which begins to visibly take heavy damage (but it can take some punishment as a 3km battleship)
>Hux cannot go to hyperspace because some ship still has interdictors activated because they thought the resistance ship would try to flee, he orders the supremacy to turn hard
>the damaged mon calamari ship now cannot turn to adjust for a devastating blow to the center of the supremacy, but still impacts the wing
>the massive impact leaves major destruction andscarring on the starboard wing of the supremacy, chunks of debris from both ships flies on damaging star destroyers behind it.
>the collision causes all the plot points needed for rey and finn to still escape their situations, and the chaos caused by the impact gives the rebel transports time to escape to salt hoth

no destruction of logic and probably cooler to watch for those not into mon calamri cruisers made of finest durasteel folded 1000 times by fishmen artisans

Worldbuilding was so awful and nonsensical. stop telling me the entire galaxy is at stake, when there are like a 100 people aboard a shit, all of this should be insignificant on a galactic scale

prequels were the real shit when it comes to worldbuilding and portraying an intergalactic conflict.

Why did they let each ship get blown up one by one? Why not jump out? Or even fake out some of the First Order by going different directions?

Are there so many First Order ships all over the galaxy that they'd all be caught? If that's true, why not have a First Order ship from elsewhere warp in front of them and corner them?

If there isn't so many FO around the galaxy, then why not have the Resistance warp to neutral zones, then abandon ship at those planets?

It's not like Battlestar Galactica where it's the only humanity left and they want to jump together as a fleet (note that I think at one point they do jump in different areas and reconvene).

Fuck man. It's not even clear the extent of the FO.

The resistance operates their base toed up against the new order i(located n the unknown sectors.)

for some reason, they also store their SINGLE underfueled capital ship at this location. because of this they couldnt maintain their escape up into the galactic core (not that it really matters since the new republic is a mostly demilitarized incompetent mess)

the real question is why the resistance, if it is so poorly equipped and funded, would operate so close to the new order (let alone keep their cruiser there), or even attempt to confront them militarily at all. they should be off engaging in clandestine intelligence actions while also trying to rally political support and allies if they are so increidbly outmatched militarily

Yea, my thoughts exactly. Why chase them for hours on end, and risk them finding a way to get away, Do what you said, easy peasy

>their cruiser is lighter and faster
>after 16 hours they are still the same distance apart

WHY DIDN'T THEY JUST JUMP IN FRONT OF THE REBEL FLEET THEN TURN AROUND

i still don't even know what the first order is. It wasn't the empire, and there was a republic in the last movie, but suddenly there isn't and now the first order controls everything again.

So you're telling me besides that fleet chasing the rebels there's first order troops taking control of the rest of the galaxy? How come they weren't on that casino planet then? Moreover, where the fuck does a fragment of the Empire get so many resources?

In the title crawl it states that the first order has military control over the galaxy.
and you think they did this with a few ships?

it would have probably have benefited

the entire casino subplot for example really shouldn't have been there

to play devils advocate: if the first order jumped the rebels would have taken the opportunity to immediately jump and lose them

disney wars fans, everyone

You don't need to jump the whole fleet. Swap tracking to one of the smaller ships (we're told they can take over for each other in the movie) and then lightspeed the big motherfucker ahead of the rebels.

why would they all jump. Flagship stays behind while the rest of the capital ships create a box around the rebels. They had more than enough to do it

i dont recall anything about tracking swapping, the supremacy tracks using brute force computation (probably actually just 'guesses'
the location given how it functions, not that it matters)

regardless, the mon calamari ship is close to the same size as the resurgent class star destroyers, so just jump 2 or 3 of those up ahead of them, i doubt the cruiser could lazily blast through them

>i dont recall anything about tracking swapping

Literally in the part where they're talking about the plan and go "And then we destroy the tracker."

"No. Then another ship will just take over tracking. We need to shut it off for just one cycle that lasts six minutes."

literally nothing at all in star wars has ever been explained (unless it's in the most retarded way possible eg midichlorians) because a) they didn't care and b) it means they can just make shit up as they go along without having to worry.
establishing a grounded and consistent sci fi world wasn't even an afterthought for literally any of the people who had an influence on what the star wars movies are, george included

its poorly explained in TFA but the first order is basically a reunified imperial remnant that controls space in the 'unknown sectors' (that chunk of the galaxy always empty of labels on old star wars maps)

the remnant was dubiously at peace with the new republic following years of war, but the new republic is totally incompenent and bureacratic, so while they disarmed themselves and bickered, the first order broke all the rules and remilitarized

essentially, they are a legitimately reconginzed politcal entity that controls a sizeable chunk of space

why are they the resistance if the rebels won? should they just be the government or whatever.

>oh shit they have their tractor beam locked onto us

[and then all the rebels were executed]

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People don't care about the explanation, but they do care about consistency. The falcon hyperdrive fucking up in Empire shows the ship going to hyperspeed for just a moment before clunking out. That itself means you can go as short as you want. Even if not in the perfect position, then you just make two jumps. One somewhere else, then back into the correct position.

Fuck, Finn and them did all that with the casino subplot in the exact same movie. There's no reason the Order couldn't have done that with part of their fleet or called in more forces from somewhere else and given them the coordinates. Hell, the rebels made that magic radio call for outside help too. No way in hell the mega boomerang didn't have some kind of transmitter like that.


The whole thing is just so poorly thought out. I don't get how anyone ever okayed the main plot.

>oh shit they brought interdictors
[and then all the rebels were executed]
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>no way to discern speed
I WANT CLOUDS! SPACE CLOUDS!

The FO fleet chasing them was 8 star destroyers and supremacy

jump 4 of the regular SD's ahead

Rebels not boxed in on both sides

>poorly explained

you mean not explained at all

that's what i mean tho, like obviously i don't mean we need a full detailed "science of star wars" to explain the nuances of how the hyperdrive works or what the blasters are actually shooting or whatever, i more mean that they never establish any rules. i don't need to know the mechanism or whatever, but i'd like to at least have an inkling of what's possible and what isn't from the characters' perspectives if you see what i mean, and as far as i can remember star wars has never done that with any of its tech or force shit or anything, shit just happens for the sake of the plot

>needing fuel to move in the vacuum of space
I'm confused

Is it safe to say they saw this and wanted to do it in the worst way possible?

>X-wings doing banking turns

hey no problem

>fuel to maintain speed

PHYSICS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Banking is retarded too. Why don't they just pull a 180 and go backwards while shooting

you're right, when our craft change course or return to earth the crew just breaths in the opposite direction really hard

i think what your brainlet mind meant to say was
>needing fuel to maintain speed in the vaccum of space
however since space movement has always been like traveling through a fluid (with a rather low maximum speed and the necessity to continue thrust to maintain speed), deflector shields or hypermatter reactors or something must cause drag on the vessel

I know what you meant but it has been decades of: get fighters in > attack generators > take down overwhelming enemy because of individual bravado
And now we learn that just crashing in an empty frigate at lightspeed annihilates an entire fleet with superweapons and stuff?
It just completely abolished everything scifi-combat has established in decades for a reason.

The plot of the movie was literally the entire plot of the first episode just dumbed way the fuck down

Literally so they could have the red rust plume behind them so you can't point to them copying TESB's setting. Even though the red plume made no sense and the salt would be trailing behind them since it was covering everything.

>its not snow its SALT :DDD

>ship in space runs out of fuel
>it just ‘stops moving’

is this just your mildly corrected rewrite of

because muh dogfights, and george lucas (and 90% of the moviegoing public) don't give two shits and just want stuff to look cool