Wait? How come they never did anything like this before...

Wait? How come they never did anything like this before? I thought you couldn't hit objects when you turned on the hyper drive?

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Because Rian Johnson is an idiot

The movie improves 10 fold if you just turn your brain off, know nothing about Star Wars and go for a shit during the Finn/Rose scenes
It's still not good though

You CAN hit things at light-speed. The original trilogy literally has Han explaining that.

Why didn’t the FO hyperdrive into the rebel base?

Han explained in ANH that you have to make calculations before going into hyper drive, or else you might hit something.

Wouldn't that make it an unstoppable weapon though? If you can hit shit in light speed why even have death stars?

You can when jumping in and out of lightspeed, which is what happened here. Probably never happened before because you'd have to be at the right distance and be willing to sacrifice your life and capital ship.

How come in TLJ they finally decided to use a suicidal relativistic kill vehicle to kill the fat star destroyer after having access to ftl-like systems for thousands of years? And why did it do any damage since while in hyperspace they don't have technically mass in real space so technically there are no relativistic effects occurring and tau would therefore be one. So that means crashing into anything at hyperspeed would do nothing except possibly kill you. And if not, why did the deathstar exist when they could simply shoot a star destroyer or some other ship at a planet at hyperspeed. It would be much cheaper overall and would be harder to stop for the rebellion.

>willing to sacrifice your life and capital ship
could maybe automate those
guess it all comes down to how expensive hyperdrives+ships are, and if they do come cheaper than ordnance vs their effectiveness

No, Han says you might drop*out* ic lightspeex/hyperspace inside a planet or star.

What they did in this stupid fucking movie was render all battles past and future irrelevant. There is no problem whose solution will ever be more complicated than /lightspeedmissile.

This is shitty, unimaginative writing astounding in its short-sighted stupidity

Thats the thing. It literally makes every space battle from the first 7 movies null and void.

Was the scene cool though? Fuck yeah, but at what cost?

Empire couldn't do it with Tie-Fighters as they've only got hyperdrives recently.
X-Wings had hyperdrives would be possible however Rebels have always had low count of ships we've gotten sub-plots where they've had to be stealing ships in the likes of Clone Wars and Rebels. So using all of your ships on a suicide run not knowing where your next ships are coming from not really a great tactic.
Also clear a size/relation thing like it was a capital ship with shot into the supremacy and broke it in half still not destroyed. So x-wings crashing into capital ships wouldn't have a large affect enough effect vs consequence of losing ships.

>implying
The shields of the enxt generation of ships is just worse then those before.
If the ebil nuEmpire had just enough stronk POC that wouldn't have happened.

That's why you aim them at vital areas like the bridge and the engines. TFA's final battle is rendered pointless by this, too. Fuck wasting time with explosive charges and shit. Just /lightspeedmissile the core with an empty fucking tugboat.

No man could. But she is no man!

What the fuck kind of uniform is that

>you can use just one single small ship´with hyperspace technology to destroy eve a death star
>hyperspace is not high tecnology and even cheap ships have it
>people still shoot lasers at the enemy mother ship

Well, that's 9 movies of space battle into the trash, under this new logic people should just use small ships

Probably because it's a suicide mission

>what are unmanned ships
There were literally millions of droid ships in the first 3 movies, slap a hyperdrive on one and launch it.

Why use ship.
Take an asteroid, slap and engine on it, set a R2 unit on it to "navigate" and you have your planetdestroyer.
Nothing would withstand it.

Objects moving at relativistic speeds don't have to care about size and mass for damage. Mass in relativity grows exponentially anyways towards infinity

it should've been leia doing it with a force trick and not literally who

She had to host the Hunger Games right after this.

Do where exactly was admiral purple hair piloting the ship from? Wasn't the bridge destroyed when Leia got spaced?

Why didn't the ship crash like the Executor when its command bridge got destroyed?

I assume small ships can't get through shields.

I think they did that in SWTOR.

What's the timespan of this movie?
Did evrything happen in 1 day?

So why did the Rogue One crew go on a suicide mission to retrieve the death star plans when they could have just got K-2SO to hyperdrive ram the death star instead?

I'm guessing a book will explain this worked because of the device used for tracking ships through lightspeed.

Surely if you can hit things at hyperspeed then any jump to hyperspeed is essentially suicide

Like all you have to do is encounter a tiny fragment of dust at lightspeed and it's going to blow you to pieces

you actually can't, even in the nu-canon hyperspeed travels through an alternate dimension and 'hitting' those objects is merely getting buttfucked by their gravity shadows

rian (with the ram) and jj (with the hyperspeeding into a planets atmosphere) are just them not giving a single fuck about consistency of rules because they have a personal version of star wars and will stop at nothing to show it, regardless of other material it invalidates


in addition to all this, interdiction and interdictor cruisers are still a thing in the nu canon, so there's no reason the 60km wide supremacy, or at least one of those support star destroyers doesnt have the capability. Rian seems like he's never even watched another star wars movie all the way through though.

And didn't Han just hyperspaced out of his ship's hangar with the door closed on TFA?

So, it's OK to go thought closed hangar door, but any other solid objects get destroyed?

Yes, but what are midichlorians?

I thought it was a tribute to that shorthaired girl who for some reason lead the rebellion in the original. >You CAN hit things at light-speed. The original trilogy literally has Han explaining that.
>No, Han says you might drop*out* ic lightspeex/hyperspace inside a planet or star.

I got the impression that she dropped out in the ship rather than hit it while going at lightspeed

It will probably go down like this:
>Remembers they were tracked through lightspeed
>Goes to PC and looks into the rebels intel on it since somebody probably did some sort of check offscreen
>Quickly reverses the tracking data and engages lightspeed back into their forces
>normally the chances of hitting are dramatically low but she had the exact trajectory so it goes directly through that path
>rapidly engages and disengages lightspeed so it creates a drag effect of destruction.

You can have no mass but still momentum

Is there any thing this bad in TFA?
the worst thing I can think of is that Tie fighters aren't supposed to have life support

Well at least they eventually explained later on that the new First Order Ties are really advanced upgraded ones from their old Imperial counterparts. Even then, it's a minor thing that doesn't break the setting.

things dont actually travel faster than light in hyperspace, hyperspace is just highly condensed relative to real space. They're dropping out of hyperspace well below relativistic speeds and impacting on the exectors shields. Hyperspace functioning this way is part of the disney canon

well, until 8

Rogue One:

Some ship trying to jump just smashes into a Star Destroyer

The Last Jedi

RULES OF NATURE

yeah it's a really tiny nitpick I just really like the idea that tie fighters don't have life support. Not sure how to put in words but the idea that Vader removed life support for weight reduction reflects really well on his character

upgrading new versions of tie fighters with life support, 30 years later is not that big a deal. THe first order has less available manpower than the galactic empire did so preserving pilots lives probably became slightly more important

the millenium falcon hyperdriving directly over a planet and through a planetary shield is almost directly analgous to the hyperspeed ram, in its universe shattering invalidations (perhaps to a less widespread degree)

It was one fucking ship that crashed into the SD and it had not even activated the hyper drive.

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Because in none of the previous movies were they ever in a situation where a move like this would be a good trade. The ship in TLJ was entirety doomed, there was zero chance of saving it at that point, so a last ditch kamikaze run makes sense. The crash didn't even manage to destroy the targeted ship, just hamper it enough to give the fleeing transports a chance.

The Rebels had a shit ton of these unarmed transports, why not use them as lightspeed missiles?

Why didn’t the Trade Federation ever try this? They had a ton of cheap manufacturing output and disposable droids

one of those rebel ships, knowing they were doomed, should have gone to hyperspace to wipe out that star destroyer, since every ship with a hyperdrive is now a weapon of mass destruction.

if a battleship can disable the supremacy and destroy a dozen other star destroyers, a light cruiser should be able to at least totally fuck up a single star destroyer

why dont the rebels, instead of wasting fighters dogfighting ties, where x-wings and whatnot are lost in large numbers, just have x-wings aim at the reactor bulge of the stardestroyer and go to hyperspeed. why doesnt a mon calamri cruiser aim at the death star 2's hyperlaser dish and go to hyperspeed, disabling the weapon and probaby causing massive damage to the battlestation, rather than sit around waiting to get picked off by the superlaser or the star destroyer fleet.

its dumb man, it breaks everything

underrated

Worst things about TFA:

>rey being the best at everything
>rathtar cgi tentacle monsters
>maz
>kylo's lightsaber
>droid please
>bypassing the shields at light speed
>everything about starkiller base

I'm pretty sure that TLJ's most minor sin is worse than TFA's biggest.

That is fucking moronic. If any ship can just use its hyperspace to smash into another ship at light speed it breaks the entire sci fi premise of ship battles. The death star becomes a joke since you could achieve the same result strapping a hyperdrive and a simple autopilot system into asteroids and just hurl them at planets and ships. Everyone with the capability of hyperspace has now got a ship able to take out pretty much anything in the empire.

>Because in none of the previous movies were they ever in a situation where a move like this would be a good trade
the rebellion was frequently in hopeless no-win situations where the sacrifice of a small ship could inflict huge losses on the empire or otherwise save rebellion ships. How about when almost the entirety of the rebel fleet was trapped over endor trying to take a few star destroyers "with them" while they all waited to die at the hands of the imperial fleet or the superlaser. Why didnt one of those doomed ships aim at the executor, take it out, and fuck up the closely packed star destroyers nearby, that would've given the rebellion much better odds of escape

>I got the impression that she dropped out in the ship rather than hit it while going at lightspeed

No, Vader's flagship did that in Rogue One and hit some rebels, but it didn't nuke the whole fleet. This movie is retarded.

>were they ever in a situation where a move like this would be a good trade
Check out this dumbass shill. if you are gonna shill at least come with something smart, moron.
What about the fuck DEATH STAR, maybe one cruiser is a good trade for a planet killer, who know. And then on Rogue One they made a stupid kamikaze maneuver to destroy two star destroyers, which is another stupid fucking scene, why not go hyperspeed and kill both for certain.
Go shill for your disney jews somewhere else soyboy fucker, kys.

They just don't make them like they used to

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I agree it is dumb

But what you saw was literally the entire galaxy's resistance movement.

Now that is another retarded topic of discussion of how the entire civilization of a galaxy just gave up but there you go. One battle cruiser, 3 frigates and some transports ships is the entire resistance armada.

In this circumstance they had no ships to waste

It is a matter of mass you fucking retards. The biggest ships that the Rebellion had access to were smaller than the one in TLJ, and that ship going kamikaze didn't even manage to take out the Super Star Destroyer equivalent. Doing the same thing to something on the scale of the Death Star wouldn't do anything.

this
Plus time and money
Building those huge things takes a while

Must be a lot of cowards in a galaxy with a trillion citizens but only 400 rebels...

..or is everyone a space nazi sympathizer?

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or are that retarded.

If hyperspace ramming was a thing before this wouldn't you make sure to never drop out of hyperspace right infront of a fleet like that? Because if one of those ships said "Fuck it" and jumped anyway the SD would be dead.

But that's what I said. It dropped out of hyperspace and hit some rebels. So Admiral Tumblr was indeed in hyperspace when she hit the First Order.

Do you know how big some of the floating rocks are out there?. Also it is mass with an amazing amount of energy behind it. It is hitting the ship at speeds above light speed. That is going to fuck anything up given a reasonable size.

It's more powerful than any kind of fucking rail gun. Just slap enough metal together, throw a hyperdrive on it and throw it at anything. You are the fucking retard here.

>But what you saw was literally the entire galaxy's resistance movement.
Wasn’t the entire climax about sending a signal to the rest of the Resistance allies?

Which didn't get a response?

>Dude, lets right IN this massive retroactive plot hole!

Star Wars is controlled by retarded feminists and Jews now.

They did it because it "looked cool" and made Kathleen Kennedy's self-insert character do something memorable. They don't give a single shit about Star Wars universe continuity.

From what I remember in Empire, Han was just saying that making a random jump could land you in the middle of an asteroid field or inside a sun; meaning you would collide with them as soon as you left hyperspace, not while actually in hyperspace itself.

Previous movie they blew up planets worth of people. I imagine the numbers are low because anyone who resists is quickly killed off.

>This is shitty, unimaginative writing astounding in its short-sighted stupidity

Anybody who questions the Jewish/nigger writers gets fired by HR for being raycis now. Welcome to the slow brain-drain of the West.

You can't just "throw a hyperdrive" on something, you would have to basically convert it into a starship out of it. Hyperdrives need to be powered by hypermatter reactors, you need to give it sublight engines so it can maneuver and aim, and capital ship automation in Star Wars has never really been a thing so it needs a crew and life support too. You would be putting all this effort into a one use weapon with none of the utility that a normal starship offers.

It doesn't matter. Why isn't warfare fought with long range hyper-drive missiles, then?

Oh no...
You still think p=mv is generalized. That's no good user. No good at at all!

The FO/SF (special forces) TIEs do have life support. They are the ones with red markings and are two-seaters.

The worst thing about TFA was that it copied A New Hope and Starkiller Base is retarded as fuck.
>hurrrr it sucks-up an entire sun, lmao

>Admiral tumblr, upon realizing that the transport ships have been spotted, begins to turn her ship around
>The supremacy thinks she is just trying to escape or distract them, and continues firing upon the transports
>Admiral swings her ship all the way around and begins accelerating towards the supremacy at full speed, the ships closing together rapidly
>Hux panics and orders all weapons on the cruiser, which begins to visibly take heavy damage (but it can take some punishment as a 3km battleship)
>Hux cannot go to hyperspace because some ship still has interdictors activated because they thought the resistance ship would try to flee, he orders the supremacy to turn hard
>the damaged mon calamari ship now cannot turn to adjust for a devastating blow to the center of the supremacy, but still impacts the wing
>the massive impact leaves major destruction andscarring on the starboard wing of the supremacy, chunks of debris from both ships flies on damaging star destroyers behind it.
>the collision causes all the plot points needed for rey and finn to still escape their situations, and the chaos caused by the impact gives the rebel transports time to escape to salt hoth

this would probably be cooler to watch too

>thinks p=mv alone

I just realized a major inconstiency.

How did old Han hyperspeed the Falcon through Starkiller's shield in TFA, but the Raddus in TLJ collided with the Supremacy's shield while in hyperspeed?

Either hyperspeed allows vessels to pass through matter unharmed, or it doesn't. Disney Jews can't have both.

Why did the first order's ship's shots have a parabolic trajectory like they would on a planet? They were in space.

They lost a dreadnaught anyways. Would of been better served having it ram the rebel cruiser the instant the bombers got through.

Han explained that planetary shields have a refresh rate to them, if you are moving fast enough you can slip through if you time it right.

>you actually can't

the cruiser was "making the jump" into hyperspace.

I don't like that the kamikaze thing happened, but it makes sense.

Well in that case, hyperspeed kamikaze is still OP and still kills the Star Wars universe. Jewed.

he souldnt be able to hyperspeed directly over the planet to begin with

thats not while 'at lightspeed' he was discussing hitting planets and shit that han mentioned in 4.

since accelerating into hyperspace isnt well described (although ships dont technically travel superluminal in hyperspace, space is just condensed there), ships could presumably accelerate very fast though less than c, when entering hyperspace which would still be very destructive.

the ram is retarded not because it totally violates canon, but because if it actually is that destructive it would be universe changing to how battles were conducted. also interdiction

Honestly it wouldn't be cooler to watch. How many times have you seen ships crash into each other before in other films? It would be far less infuriating to watch, sure. But they clearly wanted to do a big "wow" moment with no regard for continuity.

last I checked, a spaceship is not made out of photons

Ok, so take a squadron of x-wings, put droids in them, and hyperdrive into the death star.

Was it really that destructive? A 3.5km long battlecruiser didn't manage to outright destroy something that was probably about 10 times its mass at most.

Starkiller rekt the Republic capital (Hosnian System) and their military fleets in TFA. You can literally see MonCal-looking ships in orbit getting destroyed.

"The Resistance" is not the same thing as the official Republic military, they're just a mercenary group founded by Leia because the Republic was too peacenik and retarded to investigate the First Order.

But I still see what you mean. There should have been a bunch of private militia resistance to the First Order. Maybe the First Order didn't actually capture all of the planets, just a few major systems and travel hubs; then threatened the civilians with orbital bombardment in they resisted. That's my take anyway. I should really be hired as a loremaster at Lucasarts, since I'm more intelligent and less prone to creating plotholes than the retarded kike/POC crew they have now.

>the ram is retarded not because it totally violates canon,

how?

>but because if it actually is that destructive it would be universe changing to how battles were conducted.

i agree on that point.

>How many times have you seen ships crash into each other before in other films
with a good budget and involving really large ships? not too many

why is nobody complaining about the scene where the movie went full deus ex machina with the stupid ball droid being able to control an AT-ST and save Finn and that asian chick?

That wouldn't do anything at all, based on the level of destruction we saw when it was a mon cal cruiser vs a Super Star Destroyer.

>How come they never did anything like this before?
Doing that basically makes it impossible for anyone to enter the system from hyperspace.

Yes? It tore through it like butter and destroyed all the ships behind it from the shotgun effect that was created. A hollow ship doesn't have much an extreme amount of mass, you could find solid asteroid several times smaller than it that would have more mass. Snoke's ship was 60km long, the death star was 160km in diameter. Literally just have a junk ship filled with shit to make more mass, put on a hyper drive and a droid pilot and now you have a fleet destroying missile. Make two or three more and you can destroy the death star. All while being several light years away

>how?

Because now any drunk suicidal average Joe can hyperspeed his junky freighter into a section of Coruscant and kill billions of people.

Coruscant has canon been the capital of the galaxy (and human homeworld) for thousands of years, so it should have mathematically been rekt by hyperspeed terrorists a long time ago.

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the supremacy is 60km wide (and probably 8-10 thick), the republic one is 3km long i tinnk. its way more than 10. not directly analgous, but the executor was 100 times more massive than an ISD2, and that mon calamari cruiser is only ~2 times as long as a star destroyer, and minimally wider.

anyways the massive destruction i referred to was the near-relativistic chunks of debris that managed to wipe out an entire medium sized fleet of star destroyers. The supremacy also is the ideal shape for not taking too much damage from the attack, imagine those some chunks of ship flying through the death star

>Snoke's ship was 60km long, the death star was 160km in diameter
But it was also pretty thin and not very wide.

>That wouldn't do anything at all

punching holes in the death star wouldn't do anything? it wouldn't disable any system or cause a "chain reaction of explosions" that all these super weapons seem to die from?

okay, that doesn't violate cannon though.