Rey

What was her character arc in The Last Jedi?

I don't think she had one. She should have turned to the Dark Side, though.

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She didn't even have a character much less an arc.

If it were a thematically consistent film then she would have joined up with Kylo

Finding out her heroes might be dark and her villains might be alright.

And then finding out that maybe dicks are dicks afterall.

The only change she went through was her hair.

She goes from wanting to learn the ways of the force as a means to defeat the like of Kylo Ren, to wanting to learn the ways of the force as a means of saving Kylo Ren from the dark side, to wanting to do the right thing for it's own sake rather than personal desires, or external definitions of what constitutes good.

She goes into TLJ with the whole, becoming a Jedi-thing operating under the assumption that the Jedi are correct. Between actually dealing with Luke and her connections with Kylo, Rey learns two key thing;

- Luke is fucking loser and the Jedi suck.
- She loves Kylo.

Guess that means she has to go to the dark side, right? Wrong. When she confronts Kylo and Snoke she learns something about herself:

- Kylo is evil and she can't be with him, even though she loves him.

When she rejects Kylo, it wasn't because she hated Kylo, nor was it because she's a Jedi and that's "what your supposed to do", it was simply because it was the right thing to do.

Rey learns over the course of her experiences that truth and righteousness does not come from doctrine, as this is where Luke failed. Luke lost his way in the old books trying to find answers when he should have been looking inward for the self-evidently good.

Likewise, truth and righteousness cannot be found solely in one's heart, as this is where Kylo failed. Kylo lost himself in his emotions, operating exclusively on his instincts and whims(joining Snoke out of indignation over Luke's betrayal, then betraying Snoke out of love for Rey).

Rey comes to understand the third option, the balance between the doctrinal and the hedonistic approach.

>I bypassed the character development....TWICE!

So how did that change her character

You can thank this bitch for stealing EVERYONE ELSE'S SCREENTIME

#justice4rey

It didn't. They just doubled down.

Cant change what you don't have.

Then that's just silly.

Rey should have turned to the Dark Side so that she could find her parents. That's the only motivation that would have made sense. Then maybe in the third movie she's about to murder people and she does stumble across her parents.

there is no balance, go play your shitty kotor games fag

Is pretty clear that she is a jedi just like the old ways

This movie is such a depressing, pointless, shitshow it doesn't even matter.

This. This movie was so bland it made me mad.

The whole movie takes place over the course of about 40 hours. I'm surprised anyone had any kind of development (like maybe kylo and maye poe).

They established that her entire motivation up to this point was mommy and daddy issues, and that she uses denial to coverup painful truths. This explains her resistance to Maz's instructions to self reflect.
Now, she has accepted that she dosn't belong anywhere, and is working to create her home in the new republic as the leader of force sensitives everywhere.
The canon comics state that Sheev has been hunting and killing all force sensitives, and no one has taken on that mantle. There are force users across the galaxy, like Rose's sister and that stable boy, who had their connection to the force awakened in episode VII. They will all join the resistance, showing that true power comes from the will of the people, not the barrels of guns.

This guy is a moron for going to such lengths to defend bad writing and characterization, but I agree with him that Rey doesn't have to "fall to the Dark Side" or whatever bullshit. This whole new trilogy balances itself on the idea that sith and jedi are just two sides of the same coin and one can't exist with the other because the Force's balance can't be achieved through dogmatic views of what it is and how it should be used. Ideally the story seems to be leadinf to Rey (and maybe Kylo, if a new antagonist [Snoke ressurected?] shows up and he becomes good) would be able to see that and achieve the internal balance to become true Force users and start a new doctrine.


What doesn't make sense is that Snoke wasn't a Sith, Kylo isn't a Sith, and yet they're clearly focused on the dark side. On the other hand Rey is the last Jedi, even though she had no formal training and is constantly drawn to the Dark Side?

This new trilogy, and the Last Jedi in particular, are a mess.

>Luke is fucking loser and the Jedi suck.
Here is the problem for anyone who hasn't learned this yet. The audience knows this is not true. I can understand what-a-twist if it was only set up for the first half of the movie, but the audience has already learned Luke is a hero, spanning multiple movies. The audience watched his character develop into a hero and at no point was he a fucking loser like your post says. The audience doesn't think the Jedi suck because we have had countless movies that displayed them as noble warriors that everyone in the movie's own universe recognize as legends. Note the kids playing with the figurines at the end. Following Rey's journey, if she believes Luke Skywalker is a fucking loser and the Jedi suck then I have no reason to root for her as a character. She is the antithesis of a Jedi. Foolish, cynical and ignorant. This is how she is perceived by the audience. And you don't have to be a fan to keep up with the jist of Star Wars. The movies have all been farely simple, space politics aside. So whoever thought that was a good idea, to try and fool the audience and say "GOTCHA!", they are just as foolish and naive as Rey and I see where the character comes from. The character of Rey has had two entire movies to develop and learn but they gave her nothing. What a waste.

Snoke was grandfathered in, but when Anakin restored balance to the force, every new force user must learn both sides of it.
Luke mentions that Kylo had too much darkness in him to be a lightside force user, and Snoke tells him he has too much light in him to be a darkside force user. Rey also had way too much darkness in her for Luke to be comfortable with.

>Snoke wasn't a Sith, Kylo isn't a Sith,
What? It's the same rule of two and snoke can use lighting. He has a lot of dark side in him and that's why they said he's all decrepit looking.

Do you really think that Rian Johnson gives a shit about what makes sense?

she didn't have one in TFA why would she get one now

sith = dark side
jedi = light side
what doesn't make sense?

WRONG

LOOK AT ME. I AM STAR WARS NAO

lawl

The thing is even if this is what they were going for, the doubling down just makes it uninteresting and feel like a waste of time. There was no huge change or development. She's still sort of floating around with "hmm now i have to decide what to do but I don't know exactly what that is STILL"

Not to mention when she's contrasted with a character like Kylo Ren who had a huge development in the end and actually doesn't sound all that evil when you think about what it is he wants, she just pales in comparison as a compelling or interesting character and makes me question her role as protaganist as well. At this point, Kylo Ren would make a better protagonist.

Becoming a Jedi, realizing that involves embracing both light and darkness and balancing the two as symbolized in Luke-Kylo, being tempted to join the darkness but deciding to stay with the light and using her powers for good

literally the only reason I'm seeing the next movie is the chance she turns to the dark side.

Why bother then? She won't, especially if she hadn't after this movie. Would you really want to see Rey try to "act" evil

>idolizes Luke, sees him as this legendary jedi from the stories she heard as a kid
>he turns out to be just some grumpy old man
>realizes she doesn't need Luke to be a hero in her own story. She's stronger now that she's no longer depending on someone else.

Basically it's the same arc Kylo had. They really do mirror each other. For Kylo the idol was his grandfather, and the mentor he abandons is Snoke whom he kills.

Yes I realize this is very different message and contrary to what the old movies were saying. But I'm just interpreting it.

Yeah, her and Kylo were obviously played as mirrors of each other and kindred spirits, which is why they connected so easily. Even them parting is just them wanting to be together but still needing to go through their own individual journeys. Kylo is now dong things on his own terms and so is Rey and they are having to sort that out for themselves going forward.

and then you have the scene at the end with them obviously still having feelings for each other despite being on different paths so maybe they will get married in the end after they both work everything out but they could also just go boring black and white route with them which would be a shame.

>I can change him!
>Only I understand him!
>He's good deep down!
Being a woman, that was her character arc.

but all of that is true

She basically got what every woman wanted handed to her on a platter and rejected it because she's the hero and has to be boring and good without question.

>but all of that is true
No, she did not understand Kylo, otherwise she would have seen he wold not come to the light side. She can not change him, that was her biggest chance and she failed. Kylo might have been good deep down, but that was before killing his master and becoming a real sith.
She was a dumb woman and that was it. I'm actually surprised they went with it seeing as how stereotypical that is.

t. typical Disney viewer

Good job.

She did understand him, because she is a mirror of him, that's why the bonded so quickly.

She could've changed him but she's a boring retard who wanted to not compromise at all.

>Kylo is full evil

He's the "villain" but he's more conflicted than ever stop being retarded.

t. Woman

Go back to Twilight.

>The audience knows this is not true.
Actually the jedi do suck and anyone that pays attention to SW can tell you that. The problem was that the last Jedi sucked, if it would have spent more than 0 seconds on Luke's character it could have explained some jedi lore and why exactly the jedi should end (in luke's opinion)

but this is a kids movie and the good guys are good because they're the good guys

Its called a tragedy. Sometimes, two people from different sides find that they love eachother, but circumstances will never allow them to. Rey accepts this at the end of the movement by closing the door, metaphorically closing Kylo off.

I actually think one of the things TLJ did correctly was add a little to her character.

and when I say "a little" i mean barely anything, but still...
She's still a mary sue but it's just more obvious that she should turn

How can one arc if you're they're instantly great at anything and without flaw?

in Disney,
Women is always correct,and don't wrong never.

She's literally an orphan who hit the force jackpot. She isn't my favorite character, but in TFA and TLJ you'd have to be blind not to get her character. Its not they she has barely any character, its that Star Wars fans are so dense. Shes a lost child, alone with no family, constantly wants to belong and when she finally finds people to care about her and that reciprocate that, she loses them almost immediately.

Meets Fin, and the event spurns her to stop being a coward and break out of her stupid pointless life on Jakku. Then he dies, for all she knew, trying to save her.

Meets Han, and is essentially the dad she never had, and asks if she wants a life traveling the galaxy with him and Chewy in the Falcon. He dies because some brat son has daddy issues and she helplessly watches him die.

Finds Luke, turns out hes human and not so legendary. And all he can teach her is life never goes how you think it will. He dies trying to save her friends.

Kylo, the guy who killed her Father figure, forms a connection with her, realizes she understands him and may love him, and he decides to choose power above all else.

Her life sucks dick so far, honestly. So, I can only agree with people wondering why she didn't go dark side. Saving grace for her is finally reuniting with 1 out of the 5 people who aren't dead or betrayed her.

I can't tell whether you're a brainlet or a fedora

Probably a mouse shill

>She could've changed him
>compromise
>he's more conflicted than ever
That's what all women think, next they're being whored out for drug money, living on daily beatings.

The Jedi in the prequels sucked. They were stubborn, hidebound dickheads (I'm not sure how intentional it was on George's part to make them so hateable but they were).
The Jedi, according to the teachings Luke received from Obi-Wan and Yoda, did not suck. That's why they needed to start over and why Luke was the one to do it, because, by redeeming Vader, he proved that he had moved beyond his teachers (who wanted him to kill Vader).

>Her life sucks dick so far
And yet she somehow never fails or encounters a meaningful challenge.

Isn't that the fat gook from Donny Darko?

>And yet she somehow never fails or encounters a meaningful challenge.

Snoke was going to wreck her shit if Kylo hadn't saved her.

Nice try faggot, and I really want to agree with you, but when Yoda nuked the Jedi tree and told Luke that Ray already had everything she needed, you missed that she had already stowed away the Jedi texts on the millennium falcon.

She was going to stick with the doctrine.

Yoda was just being a cunt to Luke for literally no reason.

Rian Johnson is a fucking hack.

You really think that the only female role model that Star Wars has is gonna become evil?

>Yoda was just being a cunt to Luke for literally no reason.

honestly that's in character for him

Yes,Luke,he is not so legendary.
Female! Women ! will become new legend !
...and collers

Whiteman is very foolish,moron.
She lead all guys
Female rule the galaxy as Disney and Kathleen Kennedy.

>So how did that change her character
>She goes into TLJ with the whole, becoming a Jedi-thing
>leaves wanting to do the right thing for it's own sake rather than personal desires

It like RJ wanted to make another movie with his own characters. Which he gets to do anyways after fucking up with TLJ.

Wow. Someone else here gets it. But its pointless friend. This place is infested with shitposters and hivemind. Heres an example:

She stopped doing things because she has to, and started doing things because she knows it's for the better

At what point did you stop coming to Sup Forums to discuss a movie/shows, and start shit posting out of spite? I get it. Redditors and retards make 30 SW topics endlessly each day. But did you ever ask yourself if shitposting does anything other than making worse?

No. that's in character for Rian.
not Yoda

this series couldve been saved if she joined with kylo. Not even as evil. they were both pulling towards eachother, towards neutral. They were ready to bring balance to the force. But nope, she freaked out.
was I supposed to want her to reject kylo?

Why is it so hard to accept that a story didn't do what you wanted? At least you're not as bad as Luke fanboys, but I genuinely want to know. Is it your first time being dissapointed? Not because they had an obligation to make the story you WANT, but because something just didn't go your way and it dissapoints you. How do you get through life?

Purple women's KAMIKAZE is justice.
But black man's Kamikaze is not
lol

Yeah, someone tries to start a genuine conversation with you, but all you got is more bland meme talk. Not surprising. Just remember, you're half the problem as to why this board is shit.

I thought her character arc was fulfilled at the very end of the movie, when she meets her one true love, Poe.

Yes but purple lady was old. If the TLJ had one message is the old shit should die but the new should live

you're right.
STARWARS is fucckin crazy movie.
Disney teach him to live his own life.

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Three black dudes in front of me audibly groaned at this part.

completely agree. THEY FUCKING BURN THE JEDI BOOKS. They should've made it the old jedi's fault that Ben turned, not Luke's. Or Luke followed the old Jedi too dogmatically

What, when he was going to sacrifice himself, or when ChoChang crashed him out of the way and professed her undying love for a hero?

t. retard

Basically this.

>She was going to stick with the doctrine.

It's almost as if I literally said balance between the doctrinal and hedonistic, as opposed to being fully hedonistic. The point is Rey actually went out and did something rather than fuck around with >muh tree looking for something he wasn't going to find.

It's called predictable forced schlock. They literally already had a tragic romance with Anakin/Padme, at least mix it up for this one.

if you say retarded shit don't expect to get anything but a retarded answer

yes old shit should die but the new women should live and correct.
But the new men always mistakes.

>it's just the fans are dense

Oh okay, oh superior fedoralord. Whatever you say.

The only thing that sucks about her life is getting sold by her parents, which she honestly needs to get the fuck over and thanks to Kylo might be soon. She owes what little development she has to another character that forced her to face her bullshit. So deep, such character wow.

Then why the fuck did Rey reject Kylo's offer and has the old Jedi texts to continue the old order?

because she's retarded.

Wow, I can't believe Kylo Ren is the real protagonist!

No when he yelled.....whoooooo Das wut I'm talkin bout

They did it better with Luke

By the end of TLJ has it even been a week since the events of TFA?

>joined with kylo.
>towards neutral
That comes in IX. Rey isn't ready yet.

No! Kylo is retard!
because >

the resemblance is astonishing

Oh now I see, what was I thinking logically for? Silly me

>Looking for her "place" in the universe
>Trying to find out about her parents
>Finding an unexpected bond with Kylo Ren
>Believing that they have a real connection and that she can turn him to the light.
>Getting so close to that goal just to realize she can't turn Kylo, realizing that Luke was right and he's too far gone, she can't save him.
>Also realizing her parents were nothing, gave her up and are dead and buried in the Jakku desert.
>Realizing that her place and her family are with the Resistance.

Something like that? That was my read, anyway.

TFA may as well not have existed at this point since everything it set up that doesn't involve Kylo Ren is now completely fucking pointless.

Shit, C3PO doesn't even have his red arm anymore.

That is what happens. There is no character development or even character in there. Rey is "character" much like how you would self-insert while writing a fanfic.

They do have a real connection and she couldn't turn him to join her just as he couldn't turn her to join him.

Kylo forcing her to face the truth of her birth finally got her to a place where she wants to find out where she belongs on her own, since she rejected his offer to belong with him because that would be relying on someone else just how she was looking for belonging and family in Han and Luke.

She still hasn't found her real purpose or belonging.

Pretty much. She basically goes from trying to belong to realizing that's wrong so now she's trying to belong again, just different this time! No real development aside from facing her bullshit in the last part of the movie.

Finn and Rose going to the casino planet is a great allegory for the film

>Maz sets up what seems like a clear goal
>"ooh, who is The Codebreaker?"
>Find the man in the red flower lapel
>They see him
>Can't get to him
>Instead, Del Toro
>"oh this could be interesting"
JK, he's actually 1-dimensional and only in the movie for 2 minutes
>never goes anywhere and wastes your time

But she leaves wanting to become a Jedi. It's why she kept the books.

>Lets make the cast all females and minorities
>But they have to be one dimensional because wouldn't want to upset leftists
>People don't like it? FUCKING NAZIS

Ever notice how Ripley and Sarah Connor seemed like real people, like people you might actually know irl. Does Rey seem like that to you? Like a real person?

No.

Rey is "le prophesy child"

She lets go of the denial about her family, I thought that was important for her. Her first question when she was in the pit on the island was "Who are my parents?"

After two fucking movies and only at the end and she STILL doesn't have a clearly defined purpose. Ridiculous.

Who cares. All this does is give her more backstory. Look at Luke and the arc he undergoes from ANH to ESB. Now compare that garbage to Rey.

There is nothing to overcome, she is already an ace pilot and an ace force user beating Kylo in lightsaber duel. A key crux of all hero journey is that there must be obstacles that the Hero has to overcome. Rey doesn't. She just blows every single obstacle apart.