How do you feel about how they handled Luke?

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Terribly

I agree with pic related

Awfully

Disastrous.

Good.

Genuinely don't get why people are hating on his arc

There were some redeemable qualities about Luke in this film that were taking root, including his philosophical transition toward a paradoxical nihilism in the Force, which could have matured into something fascinating if they did it right.

However, this was marred by other inconsistences revolving around the plot and the immediate transitions that broke his scenes apart before they ever blossomed into anything tangible.

My immediate thought is that this movie is going to be a huge boom during its presentation in the theaters, just like The Phantom Menace, which was applauded by literally everyone with a voice. In five or six years time, the sequel trilogy is going to be buried by purists and forgotten by casuals. We will have our redemption. The long game has only just begun.

i liked it; tormented warrior that's lost his purpose is a trope i wish would show up more

They deleted his whole OT character arc from the archive memory so they could hamfistedly shoehorn him into a Yoda role.
I didn't care for it.

I think what bugs me about people saying that it's in-character for TLJ Luke to deny the idea of the Jedi Order is that OT Luke went against both Ben and Yoda's advice and how to handle Vader.

Ben and Yoda, two old Jedi Masters, clearly had different ideas on how to go about things compared to Luke, so it baffles me when people lump him together with them as if Luke is just the same as any other grumpy old Jedi. Based on what we saw in the OT, you'd think that if Luke were to rebuild the Jedi Order then he'd impart his own take on the teachings and lessons based on his experience of redeeming Vader, the man who the Jedi Order essentially gave up on in the end. Beyond that, people think that rebuilding the Jedi Order equates to reviving the "old ways", similar to what we saw in the PT, which is a far cry from how Luke acted as a Jedi. Even then, it's bizarre when you think that TLJ preaches about abandoning the Jedi way yet it loudly declares Rey to be the last Jedi, essentially contradicting the previous sentiment.

It fit with the cynical tone of Disney Wars. The galaxy is saved and the rogue and princess live happily ever after? Nope!

only thing that bugs me is his self-imposed exile. it's unlike him to just give up like that. what happened to Ben isn't enough to break the Luke we all know.

This is word porn

because you're an idiot

Bad way it handled his reaction to Kylo Ren after the vision/dream whatever.
Part of the larger whole of this film just resetting Star Wars back to same crap we got in the OT all while killing off the likable elements of the OT.

Say this new series was a Jedi Academy series and Luke is sort of this struggling old teacher who is trying to raise a new generation of Jedi but kind of realises he's a shit teacher who he himself struggles with the crap in the Jedi code and maybe there are rumours of sith coming back as well and there are hints in the last film that the Sith are trying to influence Ben and then in this film despite Luke trying to help Ben believing everyone can be saved, Ben kills Luke and becomes Kylo Ren.

Do you think fans would be pissed about Luke dying? I don't think so, because it shows that Luke is still the same guy we know him as except now he's older and more jaded and struggling with issues and it's his own belief that anybody can be saved, that gets him killed.

In this film, Luke is just a angry old jaded loser who acts completely out of character reversing the character development of the OT and all the achievements of the OT are reversed magically and he dies.

This about sums it up

Why does every hero have to be deconstructed into more grounded? Why can't we have human paragons of virtue? You can humanize those characters. It's so easy to make every cynical or to write a story where heroes aren't as cool as we thought. When was the last time we had a big blockbuster with a virtuous hero who lived up to his ideals? Maybe Captain America in Winter Solder.

I don't think Disney really think beyond "How can we sell Nostalgia to the idiot masses? What do they like about Star Wars? Well everyone hates the prequels, erase that, everyone likes the OT I guess, and Rebels vs Empire, lets do that, but the Empire is defeated, oh well just bring them back and make it empire vs Rebels again, people love stormtroopers and tie fighters and xwings!"

The same about how The New Order and The Rebels buy weapons from the same people, making them 2 sixes of the same coin. But still ends with these are da bad guys an thesee da good guys

The movie undercut its themes hard
>Don't have heroes, they're only human
>Broomboy inspired by hero worship of Luke

>Let go of the past
>jk, Rey has the books

>it's his own belief that anybody can be saved, that gets him killed.
This. I'm fine with Luke having flaws as long as it fits his character, and this would have been the perfect aspect of his character to tug at.

Instead, TLJ Luke just had a "flaw" forced on him so we could have sympathetic Kylo Ren.

I turned myself into a jedi, Morty! I'm Mary Sue Riiiiiiiiiick

Luke is a white male.

I liked it, in ROTJ he has a moment of clarity amidst his anger that completes his journey and lets him save his dad, in TLJ he has a moment of weakness amidst his clarity that damns his nephew and turns him into a cynical depressed hermit. But then at the end he stops beating himself up and helps the jedi continue on, once again assuming the hero's mantle and saving the day without killing anyone and he dies looking at the same sunset as when he first sets out.

It's almost pottery.

This

I feel like it isn't canon, and will just keep reading the legends material which somehow manages to be infinitely better despite being written by thousands of randos who were paid in pennies.

Also don't sacrifice people to win (bombers/finn)

>Pink haird kamakaze
>Luke

more like word salad

Because it's "smarter" and "deeper" to deconstruct and be dark even if you do a half-assed job of it like TLJ (and even though it's easy like you said).

>Sequel era Luke
>anachro-marxist
What?

the capn in civil war was right

It's like theyve never heard of Fred Rogers

Saving Vader wasn't a "moment of clarity amidst his anger," it was his intention from the beginning. He told Vader on Endor that he still saw good in him and told Obi-Wan he couldn't kill his father. Also doesn't explain why he abandons his friends to clean up his mess for them (same guy who dropped everything to help his friends in ESB).

That was even worse! Saving Finn didn't stop the rest of the kamikazes and it jeopardized everything.

But he is not sympathetic, that is the reason Luke ignited his lightsaber, because unlike Vader, there is no good at all in Ren.

Luke was "dark" and "flawed" and "deconstructed" so it's "smarter"
Anarcho-marxist is a bigger word so it's "smarter"

Isn't anarcho marxist a bit of an oxymoron?

Hacksaw Ridge

By sympathetic, I mean that Kylo Ren has even more excuse to turn to the dark side with Luke playing a huge part in it.

Stealing this. Thank you.

Kropotkin and Bakunin predate your youtube talking heads.

Sheev was behind it all, he clouded his judgement with the dark side of the force.

This, based Mel can't lose

Marx stated that his end goal was a stateless (anarchist) society, but you had to go through Marxism to get there, as I understand it

The original Star Wars films were about victorious hope, the unity binds us all, and overcoming the evil inside yourself. Luke Skywalker is the embodiment of a character archetype that is old as storytelling itself. He rises from nothing, pursues knowledge and enlightenment, overcomes despair, becomes a savior, and through courage and determination redeems the sins of the ones who came before him. His purpose as a character and as an icon is to personify everything a human should hope to become.

In The Last Jedi, Luke Skywalker tries to murder a child in his sleep, then cries in a cave for a few years while the world around him crumbles, then gets lectured by teenager about responsibility, then dies nonsensically. Knowing that, go look at every other plot point and twist in this movie. This film's sole purpose isn't to push things forward or build upon anything. It is reckless subversion for the sake of subversion. It is deconstruction with no meaning or purpose. It is a cynically assembled soapbox, made by people so arrogant and unappreciative that they would stand atop the legacy of one of film's most quintessential tales just to make an uninsightful, short-sighted point about "leaving the past behind," and toss some hamfisted political notes at the captive audience. It is worse than any corporate cash-in or any moronic prequels. The Last Jedi is an articulate attack on Star Wars itself and everything it represents. These people had no idea what they were dealing with. The Last Jedi was cinematic manslaughter.

If you enjoyed The Last Jedi, you do not care about Star Wars. You don't care about the transcending, timeless power of stories and myths and archetypes. You're just a dog who drools when the bell rings. Star Wars and Luke Skywalker can't be tarnished by anyone- that story was already told, and at most is only one fleeting incarnation of one of humanity's oldest traditions. You can't crush that, but The Last Jedi tried.

>take a giant dump on the main hero of the story

what the FUCK was D*sney thinking?

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i'm glad rey wasn't his kid, and that he had no kids at all in fact. i was seriously expecting the cliche of her being his, so that's one thing tlj got right. i think parental stuff just wouldn't fit with his character. he had to focus on higher things.

he had to stay pure.

I did not like Luke in this movie. I think that is the major flaw in it. He is an old bitter hermit, and not a wide eye optimistic hero.

You're dead inside

Jedi are straight up forbidden from having children.

>That was even worse! Saving Finn didn't stop the rest of the kamikazes and it jeopardized everything.

All those other pilots basically died for nothing

Picture this going into an episode 7 or 8: Luke has to face familiar struggles as history repeats itself but this time he doesn't have his friends to help him. Han isn't going to save him at the last second because Han isn't there. Leia isn't going to convince people to fight on their side with her tenacity and charm because Leia isn't there.

Luke was supposed to get rid of those retarded rules when he rebuilt the order. And he basically made his own choices all the time in the OT, not like he was the same as Obi-wan

LUKE DESERVED TO HAVE HIS SMILE BE PROTECTED FUCK YOU RIAN JOHNSON REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Well said

Luke is and always will be a little bitch.
Get over it fags

It's like the theatrical cut of Batman v Superman. Non existent character development because of timejump fuck up.

Batman and Superman were out of character, but because we didn't knew why they were like that.

Luke is really different in this film but we don't know why. He trying to kill Kylo just doesn't make sense.

that was an arbitrary rule set by the old order, and a big part of why anakin went off the rails in the first place. i'm sure it would've been discarded by luke's new order.

Old Luke's saber should be limp

Found the Hanfag

I don't think I'd mind it if it wasn't totally at odds with the main plot set up in the previous movie.

It's just insulting on a narrative level, this isn't just a sequel, it's part of a planned TRILOGY, and you can't even remember what the literal plot of the last movie was?

wrong.

>Luke Skywalker tries to murder a child in his sleep

But he doesn't. For a split second he reacts instinctively to the darkness in Ben's heart when he looks inside it, then he catches himself.

I was shocked at the movie's ending but felt fine. Finally it hit me today and I cried. I spent my entire childhood playing with luke figures, running around the backyard with a plastic lightsaber, and pretending to be Luke. I can't imagine my childhood without Luke Skywalker. His death is the only thing in a movie thats ever made me cry.

RIP Luke Skywalker

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Fine, have your human paragon of virtue.

Surprise, that's how you get Rey.

>In The Last Jedi, Luke Skywalker tries to murder a child in his sleep

He didn't.

It's the same as pointing a gun at a defenseless child and chambering a round. Bullshit character assassination.

When he stepped out to face the army alone I was expecting sime force unleashed shit. It turns out he was just skyping in. Fuck this shit for giving me the ultimate blueballs. All I ever wanted to see was full power godluke and they teased my dick so hard fuck them

I wholeheartedly and unironically agree. The people who wrote The Last Jedi only understand Star Wars at the most superficial level. As if they can only consider Star Wars in terms of Aesthetics.

It wasn't spectacular, but his mirage ability was 10/10 power

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Luke is a fucking psychic wizard, and when he looked inside his pupil's mind he saw the abyss. He had no intention of hurting him but in that moment he reached for his gun because he wasn't starring at a defenseless child.

I don't get the big deal. He should've just killed the ungrateful little shit and solved it all before it even began. What reasons did Kylo even have to be so angsty and hard-done-by about? He had a special gift (the Force), loving parents, a loving uncle willing to help him hone his gift, and presumably a comfortable home life.

Such an ungrateful little fuck.

Worth saving, thanks for posting.

>i just cocked the hammer back on my gun in a moment of weakness, no big deal, wasn't ever gonna shoot
fuck off shills

Not to mention that this is soap opera-tier shit. Soap Operas have this misunderstanding stuff that causes people to hate each other. Just disgusting.

Force Unleashed is garbage. Practical force powers are always cooler than flashy bullshit.

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It would have been fine had he just reached for it. Instead, he ignited it, ready to kill.

Supposedly Snoke influenced him, though this isn't shown or anything. I would have probably reacted similarly if my "heroic" uncle pulled a fucking lightsaber on me.

Boils down to two points:

- Luke is out of character
- Luke goes out like a bitch

Both of these should be obvious even to a casual observer so I'm not bothering to elaborate.

>[Chinese Marketing Character] sideswipes Finn, denying him his right to chose to sacrifice his own life to save hundreds of people
>"Something something saving the ones we love"
>multiple audience members start mumbling
>guy directly behind me: "Stupid fucking bitch..."

Nonsense. Go sit in the corner and think about how many other ways that could've been written that didn't involve convoluted justifications or horrifying character assassinations.

That would've been retarded. Besides, i think him showing up as a ghost that can interact with the physical lightyears away from where he was by just meditating is pretty force unleashed tier.

It's certainly way more impressive than throwing rocks, shooting force lightning and choking people.

According to Marx, "true" communist leaders will willingly give up their power once they realize that the state has served its purpose of equalizing society.

Yeah, he should be at such a power level that he could just easily disable the entire first order fleet with just a thought much like the way he was skyping himself.

Can you imagine if he walked in among the AT's and he just knocks them over as he did so at least as he approached Kylo.

>ready to kill

But he wasn't ready to kill.

HE DRINKS MILK FROM THE FOUR TITTIES

Cap and Luke are human paragon of virtue because they have undergone their respective trials and come up victorious, Cap when he sacrificed himself and Luke when he gave himself up to save Vader. Rey is the human paragon of virtue despite undergoing 0 tribulations, she doesn't deserve that title.

There was 0 reason to ignite his saber. You don't ever point a fucking weapon at someone you aren't trying to destroy, thats safety 101.

>no big deal, wasn't ever gonna shoot

Now hold it right there, i didn't say it wasn't a big deal, i said he didn't intend to kill Ben. It was a lapse of judgement, and Ben was in his right to pull his own lightsaber to defend himself. But Luke at no point thought about killing Ben, he made a mistake, he saw that Ben would turn into a pure evil monster and he got spooked for a second.

>People wanted a Luke who was wise and a master to train Rei like Yoda did in Empire
>People wanted another big bad evil Emperor and were triggered when Snoke was killed off unceremoniously
>Same people have been complaining that Star Wars needs to change and do something different
You want safe predictable Star Wars archetypes but then complain when they do something new and subvert your expectations. You fools don't know what you want.

So you’re basically asking for Rey

No, it's more like the proletariat will disassemble the state once it outlived its purpose.

This is a good post.

Because they're fucking boring.

>Supposedly Snoke influenced him, though this isn't shown or anything. I would have probably reacted similarly if my "heroic" uncle pulled a fucking lightsaber on me.

I get that, the anger he felt after that event is perfectly understandable. But the fact that Snoke even got to him to begin with - hence causing Luke to panic when he saw the darkness - stumps me. I don't get it beyond needless teen rebellion and brattiness on Kylo's part. Makes him less sympathetic imo.

>virtuous characters are boring.

Fuck you and fuck nihilism.

>Same people have been complaining

This kind of assumption is so fucking stupid it's a sure sign whoever is making it knows they have no argument.

The fucking hacks literally wrote themselves into a hole with "safe predictable star wars" in TFA. No one asked for those things, its what JJ gave us.
Now we get a fucking disjointed mess for the second because Rian has a deconstruction fetish and didn't want to build on anything from the first film. Can you tell me where the plot is going for episode 9?

Sup Forums's mostly a hivemind. you can bet many of the same people are c.omplaining

It's not nihilistic to think that a character who is a one dimensional paladin is boring. It's just a statement of fact. Paragons can't be interesting.

The Greeks thought so too.

That's bad fucking storytelling you stupid bitch fuck shit cunt twat whore. Subverting expectations is not a fucking good thing if you "subvert" them by making your story broken and nonsensical.

pieces of shit cant stand them because it reminds themselves of what pieces of shit they are, so they "humanize" them by making them shitty simply to drag them down. Luke Skywalker is literally based on archytipical hero myths, so its really petty to "deconstruct" him like that