Can we at least agree Rey is no longer a Mary Sue
>Backstory on her parents revealed
>Goes through arduous training with Luke like he did with Yoda
>Tempted by the dark side and overcomes it
>Confronts powerful dark side user
She has basically checked off every box for becoming a full Jedi just like Luke did in the OT
>Goes through arduous training with Luke like he did with Yoda
uh wut
he gives her three "lessons" which are pretty much just converations about how she needs to fuck off and not be a jedi
nigger go kill yourself
yeah she is just an obnoxious dog shite character.
>Confronts powerful dark side user
How is that a + or -. Do Mary Sue's not confronts powerful dark side user?
>Goes through arduous training with Luke like he did with Yoda
Did not she get more out if it in a shorter time?
>Backstory on her parents revealed
Does not change the fact she was born OP. not helped by the mind link
and she still has less moral integrity than Jyn Erso
plus Jyn's a cute
she gets no training what so ever, the time frame of the time with Luke was less than 18 hours total based on the resistance only having 18 hours of fuel.
>Jyn's a cute
you goddame right
she also have a nice ass
Felicity Jones is nothing short of phenomenal as an actress. Shame about the crow's feet though.
>arduous training
Did you watch the same movie I did? She was there for maybe 48hrs.
>>Goes through arduous training with Luke like he did with Yoda
she's there for like a day of actual training
>She was perfect and mastered everything in the previous movie but now that she ""trained"" it doesn't matter.
Add a few spider-man pictures and you got yourself the front page OP.
Snoke was stronger than her. But that doesn't matter now does it?
PLUS SNOKE MENTIONS HOW SHE BEAT DARTH HORSEFACE CUZ MUH EMOTIONAL TURMOIL!
She went from a Mary Sue to a complete bitch. She got angry and assaulted Luke from behind, and then stole his books without even asking.
>Is born with no reason to be so strong in the force
>Masters force moves before ever receiving "training"
>Has no reason to fight for either side but decides dark side is evil and avoids it
>Confronts actual force user with years of training and kicks their ass
Thats all four for Mary Sue.
She hasn't been tempted enough. She's undisciplined and could easily be seduced by darkness in order to win. If she stays her hand at the end, she's good.
Let's see
>Hits old man in the back of the head
>Threatens him with a lightsaber when hes defenseless
>No actual training just a couple conversations
>Can't be tempted by the dark side
>Beats Kylo Ren again
Does anyone believe a woman wouldn't choose to rule the galaxy with Chad? She's known the rebels for like 5 hours tops.
RO Characters >>>>>>>>> Sequel characters
>>Backstory on her parents revealed
bad guy tells her that her parents are nobodies,
we cant trust that info
>the time with Luke was less than 18 hours total based on the resistance only having 18 hours of fuel
Never even occurred to me
>Is born with no reason to be so strong in the force
Anakin
>Masters force moves before ever receiving "training"
Luke
>Has no reason to fight for either side but decides dark side is evil and avoids it
Who cares
>Confronts actual force user with years of training and kicks their ass
Who cares
Wrong.
She arrived on Luke's island at the end of VII, she's been with luke for the duration of episode VIII + however long Finn has been healing from his wounds, which must be a long time considering he was completely fine in this/
Also, how long did Luke have to train with Yoda? Not long, he had the same time it took for Han Solo to leave Hoth and get captured on Bespin.
If anything, Rey got more training than Luke.
>backstory reveal gives zero payoff
>"training" is her sitting and listening to Luke talk for about 45 seconds
>denies Kylo's offer because the Good Guys always have to be better than the Bad Guys
>used as bait while conveniently Snoke's mind-reading disappears (because movie)
Rey has absolutely zero redeeming qualities and even less personality.
I really liked her. Rogue One characters felt like real people.
>Backstory on her parents revealed
Changed nothing about her character.
>Goes through arduous training with Luke like he did with Yoda
She beat him handedly, he learned more from her than the other way around.
>Tempted by the dark side and overcomes it
So succumbing to the dark side would make her a mary sue then?
>Confronts powerful dark side user.
How does this make her not a sue?
She has basically checked off every box for becoming a full Jedi just like Luke did in the OT.
And she did it in two movies without suffering any setbacks.
It took Luke three films to finally be able to defeat Darth Vader and even that was Vader giving him the fight. Luke didn’t even know how to hold a light saber, yet in this film she gets fuck all training and is picking up boulders and swinging around light sabers because “girl power!”
Fuck off with that shit.
She trained for at most 8 hours on Luke's planet, 6 hour day cycle, two days at most
The more invulnerable they make these female characters, the less interesting they become, and the more interesting the male characters become. This is a side effect of feminism.
>Luke mastered force moves without training
Are your retarded? Roughly 3 years pass between ANH and ESB, and he could barely use telekinesis.
>Backstory on her parents revealed
And it reinforces her MaRey Sue status.
>Goes through arduous training with Luke like he did with Yoda
Nope.
>Tempted by the dark side and overcomes it
>Confronts powerful dark side user
Thus reinforcing her MaRey Sue status
Rey is such a shitty character, I'm not buying anything Star Wars related until she's retconned to not exist.
In fairness, how much training did Luke get? The trip from Tatooine to the Death Star, and then a few days on Dagobah? Unless you want to act like Han, Leia, C3PO and Chewbacca were taking their sweet ass time inside the asteroid field or something.
So all in all, Luke has about a week's worth of training, at best, before he faces Vader for the first time. He gets no further training from Yoda when he returns to Dagobah and is able to face Vader a 2nd time and reject the temptations of the Emperor.
I'm not defending Rey. I'm kind of through with Star Wars in general, but let's not pretend that Luke spent years and years training to be a Jedi knight.
Anakin was created by the Force or Plaguies to e a child of prophecy. He has more reason to be powerful than anyone else in the saga. Rey is a nobody whose more powerful than the Chosen One just because.
In the first movie Luke doesn't fight Vader. In the second movie Vader toys with him and he loses his hand, Vader wasn't trying to kill him because he knew Luke was his son. The 3rd movie is set years after the second movie during which time we can assume he was training.
The Dagobah training was intense and he fully cooperated with Yoda and he had known about the force for 3 years. Then Vader destroyed him while barely trying. And Luke was the son of the Chosen One and a decorated fighter for the Rebellion.
Don't try and pretend this is a SW thing, its a Disney thing and a grrrrl power thing.
>How many years are between A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back?
>Three years according to both classical canon and the new post-2014 continuity enforced by Disney. The events in The Empire Strikes Back take place in 3 ABY, an abbreviation for After the Battle of Yavin, which is the final battle in A New Hope.
I'll not insult you because its not very clear in the films but you should google something like this before you decide to write a post as long as you did.
Did I fucking say that he fought Vader in the first movie? I said that he had about a week's worth of training (his time on Dagobah) and a little time on the Falcon.
You don't get to be a racecar driver because your daddy let you drive his old stick shift truck for a few minutes and you don't become a Jedi Knight who is capable of holding your own against the Dark Lord of the Sith just because you swung on some vines in a swamp for a few days.
3 years of what kind of training? Ben gave him one lesson on trusting his feelings. After that, what'd he have? Not a damned thing until he went to Dagobah. Truth be told, Episode VI should have started with Luke finishing his training with Yoda (it's clear that he never returned to Dagobah after he lost on Bespin, he says as much to Yoda while the little guy is getting ready to die) and the rest of the gang could have worked to rescue Han. Luke really didn't need to be there. At least then, Luke's increased abilities would have made more sense.
Lmao, my mistake. As other Anons have pointed out, you are still more wrong than me and now you just look like an over emotional child. By focusing your entire post on a small irrelevant detail instead of admitting you were wrong about Luke not training you have proved this.
The vision she has in the cave backs it up desu.
What the fuck ever. Just go ahead and hate on Rey for the same thing that you give Luke a pass for, and then try to justify it. This is why I'm done with Star Wars.
I'm sure the answer to your question can be answered in the books/comics that Star Wars is famous for. Luke abandoning his training to help his friends develops his character. He isn't an autistic robot that doesn't have feelings, hes a good guy that wants to save his friends from danger. At the time he had no idea most of his friends would escape Bespin.
Okay.
What matters are the movies. I'm not buying a bunch of extra shit because Lucas couldn't be bothered to hammer out the problems in his story.
Mary Sue isn't dictated by abilities.
It's dictate by it being an illogical pathetic self-insert.
t. assmad rey fag
>Parent backstory
Does nothing to justify her having her skills with the Force from TFA so does nothing to reduce her being a Sue
>arduous training
>tempted by the dark side and overcomes it
Clearly more tempted and susceptible than Luke was on Dagobah, attacks Luke, but Yoda is totally cool with her going off on her own (the exact opposite reaction he had about Luke in ESB)
>confronts powerful dark side user
Nothing to do with anything, in the guard fight as part of this confrontation she has to rescue Kylo and somehow takes less damage from the lightsaber explosion than Kylo did (since she woke up first)
>no longer a Mary Sue
Nigger what? She went through all that shit by herself and suddenly knows how to lift dozens of boulders easily and how to fight with a lightsaber. Luke didn‘t do anything besides guiding her a bit with a meditation session until he pussed out like a bitch.
Where other Jedi and even Sith need months and years of training she just masters all of it in a day with hardly any help.
>Luke survives his first fight with Vader because he is being teased + his dad is being nice
>Luke spends 3 years getting older. more mature and training to fight Vader again
>Most he can manage is grabbing his saber and cool jumps
>Luke defeats Vader
>Rey can use the force straight away
>Rey can fight with a light saber straight away
>Rey has received less than 18 hours of training
>Luke is built up as a pilot from one of his first scenes
>Luke spends years piloting fighters for the Rebel Alliance
>Luke is considered a great pilot
>Rey spends her entire life as a scavenger
>Rey can fly space craft seemingly the first time she enters one
I honestly don't know how people see Luke and Rey and say "They're the same." Rewatch 4-5-6, Luke has a very clear progression from lucky loser to hero, Princess Leia is shown to be better than him with a blaster in 4 for example.
>Rey is more powerful than the Chosen One just because
Uhm, no swetie, not "just because."
She has a vagina, ok?
#TheForceIsFemale
>masters force moves before receiving training
>Luke
She pulls off a mind trick, etc. in TFA with zero training.
>If anything, Rey got more training than Luke
not enough to justify how much more skilled she was.
i love how she easily skates by every obstacle, that makes for a very relatable and likable character.
if they were building up to dark side rey it would be ok for her to be so detestable, but prolly not.
Luke got BTFO almost the entire trilogy, Rey has yet to face genuine adversity.
If you watch the movies you can actually see that time has progressed user. Do you watch something as large as the death star is destroyed in 4 and is half built in 6 and think "damn its only been a few days" ?
Did you not see all the characters had aged?
Do you not remember how the Rebels had to move their entire base of operations?
Did you just think they had that massive base built on Hoth waiting for them?