So The Last Jedi is bad because all the little fan boy theories you made were wrong?

So The Last Jedi is bad because all the little fan boy theories you made were wrong?

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It's bad because it sucks

That's the typical deflection from actual criticism

yes and the non white characters and women in authority roles

>too long
>unnecessary subplots
>plot holes
>a scene that disrespects carrie fisher hilariously
>no proper lightsaber duel
>leaves us with no questions for ep ix
>snoke and phasma thrown into the trash
>forced humor
>character deconstruction

But yeah keep talking that it's only because of the plot.

>No Whills
>Nothing about the journals
>Nothing about Snoke
>Nothing about the Force
>Nothing about the First Order
>Nothing about the Jedi
>No Jedi Temple
>Nothing about the Knights
>Nothing about the Republic
>Nothing about Ben's training
>Nothing about the rest of the galaxy

Great!

I fundamentally disagree with virtually everything they've decided about Luke Skywalker.

casino subplot

kylo rens inconsistent character development

snoke dies because i turned the lightsaber next to him yet he could sense rey grabbing it

lets not tell my subordinates that there is a plan so they get angry and cause a mutiny

best pilot destroys dreadnought and gets demoted

quips

luke doesnt wanna kill vader but kylo ren is too far gone

too lazy to post rest

>Disney killing off the highest paid actor two times in a row
How can they be this greedy?

Its bad because its a bad movie. 50% of the movie could be removed and nothing would change and would without a doubt be better off for it.

It's bad because of much more than the abysmal plot. But 0.05$ have stil been deposited into your account.

DO THE LAST JEDI REVELATIONS QUIZ.

In each question, what do you think is the least appealing answer?

Who are Reys parents?
A: Han and Leia.
B: Luke Skywalker is her father.
C: She is a Kenobi.
D: Random junkers inconsequential to the story.

Why is Rey so powerful with the force?
A: She descends from powerful Jedi masters.
B: She is the reincarnation of Darth Vader.
C: She is the reincarnation of empreror Palpatine.
D: No particular reason.

Who is Snoke?
A: Darth Plagueis.
B: Emperor Palpatines brother.
C: Anakins father.
D: No one in particular.

How did the First Order get so powerful?
A: There was a contingency plan from the Empire.
B: They culminated from a conspiracy in the Republic.
C: Snoke was superrich and built his own paramilitary force over time.
D: No explanation.

Who turns in The Last Jedi?
A: Rey turns to the dark side.
B: Kylo-o Ren turns to the light side.
C: Luke turns to the dark side.
D: Nobody.

Why did Luke go to the temple planet?
A: To uncover the truth behind the Jedi order.
B: To find an artifact that will help the resistance.
C: To protect the resistance from himself because he was tempted by the dark side.
D: He gave up and came there to die.

Finn/Rose subplot was boring, useless all while wasting any character build up Finn had in TFA.
It should have been a Poe/Finn subplot and be something completely different to help the resistance that actually would make sense and not be a waste of time. Rose was an unneeded character and did literally nothing except be a bad actor.

>End of TFA
>Starkiller base is destroyed and implied that the First Order suffered heavy losses
>Beginning of TLJ
>First Order is still somehow all powerful and is completely unaffected by anything the resistance has done
>The Resistance went from seeming somewhat well off to only having three fucking ships left while it can only be assumed that the time difference between TFA and TLJ is a couple days or a week tops
This movie starts off making zero fucking sense and doesnt stop from there

>nothing except be a bad actor
ur wrong
that creature, that abomination against nature has tought me something new. a new level of ugly I couldn't even begin to comprehend before. she is so repulsivly ugly she has to be killed wit fire. I can't live in a world were such horror exists.

no it's bad

The forced asian character is yet another in a long line of movies that add them in only to appease china. I'm so tired of this trend.

Didnt they specifically hint at Kenobi with the voice clip in the light saber flash back in Force Awakens?

>Princess Leia
>Lando
not authority roles.
Try harder, shill.

IT'S GOOD BECAUSE IT IS SOOOOOOO 2017
I MEAN COME OONNNNNNNN

it's not bad it's boring
every plots are useless, or answered by a deus ex machina
it answers to no question at all, Snoke ? Useless
Finn is useless in the plot
Po is a white trash male useless in the plot
Rey is almost useless, what was the point of her reflection thing ? It was ruined. What was she doing at the end ? How did she get into the faulcon millenium ?
Luke is useless, and his death pointless
No interesting fight, each time they build up pressure for a fight, they ruin it (the last climax)
Phasma is useless, and her death is lame
Half the plot is for nothing
Captain pink hair keeping her plan secret just to lenghen the film because it's a plot hole so gotta fill with stupid bullshit

and the beginning joke is marveldisney-awkward tier

Don't mean to be that guy but Snoke says in The Force Awakens that he wants to complete Kylo's training.
How is one's training complete? By killing their master.
Snoke wanted this to happen obviously you brainlets.
It mirrors all the greatest sith becoming the master.

What people fail to realise is that said fan theories were made up by the disney shills to defend the rey and snokes introduction in VII.

it's worse now because one has purple hair and that reminds me of tumblr, keep up

this ? They probably forgot about this too and it will never be answered or mention again
Just give up about any character development

400 RESISTANCE MEMBERS LEFT

FOUR FUCKING HUNDRED

How does that make any god damn sense? Fucking 400 people went to my highschool. How the fuck does a galactic resistance not even have enough people to fill a fucking gym? Nevermind the fact the First Order toppled a GALACTIC Republic in a matter of weeks after getting obliterated.

just turn your brain off

Then do something cool like Snoke menacingly laughing as he dies.

>still watching star wars
>being this much of a fucking pleb

jesus christ, you probably watch capeshit too and think its all just fucking great, don't you?

This. So many times this.

>damsel in distress,passive observer and love interest
>untrustworthy traitor

Because if your rebellion can’t fit in the Falcon it’s too mainstream.

As far as I can tell, all the little fan boy theories could still be true, and that's why it is so bad (well one of the many reasons, anyway). Snoke could still be Plagueis, Mace Windou or even George Lukas himself, it just doesn't matter, the chinese chink was more important apparently than resolving the mysteries set up in TFA.

It's bad because of Super Leia and Finn's shit sub-plot with the shit new character of Rose. Everything else was solid to great.

The Last Jedi is bad because all the little fan boy theories I made were better than the actual movie.

It's just goes with JJ's general storytelling ideology where unsolved mysteries are good and explanations of any kind are bad. I don't know why anyone expected him to explain anything. Maybe they thought Rian was going to reverse JJ's plans or something. I don't think so. JJ is still the one who planned this trilogy and he's going to end it. Expect nothing to be answered.

Even I agree on each aspect you've mentioned, I don't think it was as bad as mosr are claiming here. It has great moments also. I feel like this film reaches the peak and the bottom quality-wise in all S(j)W films.

Not really not. All the set ups from TFA were either dropped or ignored, making it a bad sequel.

Luke refusing to help the rebellion or Rey while in TFA he left behind a map to be found in case of necessity. Rey's nobody and their origins didn't matter even though her character was entirelly built around that in TFA. Snoke is unimportant, etc.

Also as a sequel to the OT it also sucks balls, but I guess that only matters to fans and not the general public.

They basically fucked over everything established in TFA and ruined anything that could happen in episode IX

>Captain Phasma: DEAD
>Supreme Leader Snoke: DEAD
>Rey seeing her parent's fly away in a vision: NO THEY'RE DEAD TOO
>Rey's mysterious past: NOPE LOL
>Why did Luke go into hiding and leave clues so that someone could find him: HE DIDN'T HE JUST WANTED TO DIE ALONE AND NOT CARE ABOUT HIS FRIENDS ANYMORE
>A nice send off to Leia's character after her actor tragically passed away: NAH SHE'S SUPERMAN AND SHE DOESN'T DIE
>Finn permanently damaged by the lightsaber duel in the last movie: NOPE
>Weird allegories to anti-gambling and capitalism in a movie funded by a giant corporation that owns everything: OH GOD YES
>Several random new characters that we are suddenly introduced to with no prior introduction or backstory: YES
>The most boring fucking piece of shit to ever happen in the entire saga: YES OH GOD YES

It's like Rian Johnson knew that he was only going to get one shot at star wars so he collectively fucked over the new trilogy by making an absolute mess.

>All the set ups from TFA were either dropped or ignored, making it a bad sequel.
That's called subverting expectations and it makes the nerdy fanboys weep. Honestly, one of the best things this movie did.

Yes, I didn't feel so cheated since the last seasson of Lost, and I remember how frustrating was seeing how most people seemed to love the ending. People these days are only sold by emotional trickery and not by a depth cohesive narrative. That's why some people is liking TLJ aswell. Fuck JJ, he's a hack but he knows what he's doing, I hate him.

Everytime someone use the subverting expectations argument sounds retard.

>Makes a bad movie sequel
>It's called subverting good movie-making, and it makes people who likes good movies weep!

So BOLD and RISKY. This is what we need in this era of Trump1! Fuck americans, it seems that you're beyond repair. I hope North Korea nukes y'all.

>no proper lightsaber duel
oh god so much this, even Rogue One with no jedi/sith main characters has a better lightsaber scene (not a duel though)

There's subverting expectation and then there's just leaving gaping holes in the plot. It's just abysmal.

Still mad you spent 2 years speculating who snoke was? Guess what, he was a second rate Emperor who wasn't worth an explanation. Go write some more fan theories on your blogs NERDS

It's bad because it trashes everything the Disney canon was building up to. Wiping away the EU was meaningless.

Do you remember when the internet stopped to theorycraft over Matrix Reloaded finale where Neo uses his powers outside the matrix? And then comes Revolutions, with all the hype, all the theories, all the build up, and all that is reduced dust when the Oracle says something like "the powers of the One go beyond the matix" and that's it. It was a big FUCK YOU to all the fans.
TLJ managed to throw an even bigger middle finger to the fan base. From the moment luke discards the lightsaber, to the revelation that Rey's parents are nobodies, it's a middle finger after middle finger, scene after scene.
They build up a powerful moment, inviting the fans to invest emotion, attention, hype and then betray them with "it was fucking nothing, NERDS!"

even fanfiction written by 13 year olds know that that they need to have a backstory for their original donut steel villains.

no excuse.

>So BOLD and RISKY.
Subverting expectations isn't meant to be bold or risky, just interesting or unexpected. The fact that you even say that mockingly makes me think you're like 12 or something.

I've been wondering, does anyone even care? Like the people on whatever planet, do they care about this supposed "war"?
Maybe the resistance and the first order are just LARPers

It was time to let him die. They did everything with him.

>characters NEED backstory
This is literally what kids who grew up on superhero movies believe.

>pretending to be a retard posting

why haven't you killed yourself already?

are Rey's parents really nobody? it might be a ruse from Kylo to get her to follow him.

No I didn't, because I assumed the sequel was gonna resolve its own set ups.

Yes if Rey shat a turd in front of the camera that would have been unexpected aswell. The fact that you apply terms such as "subversion" to a fantasy space movie taking itself as some sort of postmodern form of art that needs to break the basic structures of the medium makes me think you're like 16 or something.

>d
>e. she one of a new generation of force wielders as prophecised by snoke, "the new jedi". they are much more easily attuned to the force and require little to no training to use it. very likely to be a result of vader/paplatine dying, releasing a large amount of midichloreans/force/whatever back into the world to be reborn
>e. it doesn't matter. if he comes back in ep9 we might find out but even if he doesn't it really doesn't matter. it isn't relevant in the same vein that palpatine's backstory wasn't relevant in the original trilogy. either way i'm sure novels will explain it eventually.
>a+c
>a+b+c. rey does some pretty dark stuff and kylo is still being pulled by the light. luke was tempted at the jedi temple but it was fleeting.
>a+d. he came looking for answers but found none. its as good of place as any to give up and stay lost. its also pretty much confirmed that somebody else planted the map fragment subplot as he didn't want to be found. once again, i'm sure a novel will cover this.

>second rate Emperor who wasn't worth an explanation
You aren't helping your case here. Only proving why the movie is shit.

here's how bernie can still win

>we admit we made a shitty character nobody gives two shits about
>it's suddenly genius

Those are the best answers.
B, D, A, A, A&B, A

What do i win.

I had no theory after the 7th. Why expecting anything logical or interesting when the founding of the new trilogy is a clusterfuck of plotholes floating in a bad copy of the 4th mixed with harry potter.
Characters are terribles. Actors are meh. Dialogues are crap. No smart continuity with the OT, shitty directing, etc.
Everything is boring, childish and forgettable. And its getting worse. The 7th was a bad copypasta, the 8th is about "breaking the codes" by pissing on the whole franchise.
Even normies find it pathetic.

>leaves us with no questions for ep ix

I want JJ to fuck off with this shit

Fugg :DDDDDD
Spurdo wars : fuggin jedi

Grow up you beardfat fuck. You are pathetic

More like missed oportunities to build lore, move the story along, contradict the movie before in a trilogy and have some logic other than "because the director wants this outcome this is logical even it surpass sci-fi logic by double diggits.

>too lazy to post rest
Like rhe Sta Wars direction. When can you start your job at Sta Wars?

I didn't give a shit about any of the fanboy theories. I didn't care who Rey's parents were and I wanted Snoke to be a new character, and I still thought it was pretty poor.

Still we get a slow unimportant casino sidequest in full lenght which is just there for minority inclusion and to get finna love interest.
My opinion is there was some minute quota for finnto appear but ryan idnt interestd in minority characters so he shoved it away in a quarantaine plot to get his angsty teen twillight love plot. Thats kinda his schtick, is other movies have some similar love plots.

90% of shitposters on this board hate it for political reasons

Holy shit this

you mean good reasons

>I didn't care who Rey's parents were
That's not the problem. Rey was entirely built around the mystery of her parents in TFA, with all those flashbacks and the Ewan McGregor voice and all that crap, instead or building an interesting main character on their own.

TLJ was just too late for establishing Rey from scratch on her own merits, although I thought the actress was fine with the little she had to work with and she's kinda cute so its fine. The thing could've survived without a good main character but they dropped everything else so hard while at the same time giving an hour of movie to that chinese girl that ultimately didn't serve any purpose to the plot either..., so Rey essentially being a featureless main character without any short of coherent development, good or bad, its just more noticeable.

Same with Snoke, it doesn't really matter if he was Plagueis or a Force Turd, the problem is that he's neither, he's not even adressed as a thing in this movie, it's just a plot device that ends with le funny disney villain ironic death, while TFA hyped us as the ultimate shit and key to all answers. For what we know, he could be anyone and his motivations could be anything, it's just not adressed at all even though he's the key to Luke almost killing his nephew and everything else going to shit after the apparent good ending of ROTJ.

Jesus just let it go

Let go what exactly? I actually love the shitshow.

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