They can't get away with this. Luke Skywalker was a folk hero. He can't go out like that

They can't get away with this. Luke Skywalker was a folk hero. He can't go out like that.

He just did

he done what obi wan done, detached sacrifice to buy 30 seconds for rebels, what's the problem

He never did get those power converters...

what is with this weird virtue signalling outrage from Sup Forums over this shit? nobody ever gave a fuck about luke, he was the blank slate protagonist and eternally in the shadow of han solo as the fan favorite, icon, mascot, etc.

He was a straight, white, male.

look at who is making these movies. Look at their politics. They don't hide it.

What the fuck did you think was going to happen to him.

He's an attempted nephew murdering, friend abandoning, bestiality enthusiast, failed Jedi, hermit and there is nothing you can do about it.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

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Fortunately, Luke already had his story. He already made his name, cemented his place in history. They can try and take it away or tear it down, but it's always there for us to revisit.

obi wans sacrifice was so they could get the plans to the rebels to destroy the fucking death star and keep luke, the last potential jedi alive.

lukes sacrifice was to buy some incompetent shitheads some time to escape so they can ?????

Worst character ever

>Participant of the hero's journey #2184712984729847
>A "folk hero"

loooooOOooLlLL

He is the hero's journey.

My question is, does it ever make sense to obviously grow a character thematically in the way they grew Luke in the OT just to then undermine that development later on within the bounds of the same story/universe?

It seems to me that it is a way of trading the essence of the work from being at its core a celebration of the hero's journey to "here's a world with spaceships and light swords where also some stuff happens that gives us a reason to put on a light show for you"

His character is a very popular iteration of it I suppose, but far from the only popular iteration of it

Distract Kylo from crushing the Resistance in one final blow, and keep Rey, the last potential Jedi alive. Christ you're dense.

>you will never watch the beginning of A New Hope for the first time again

the luke reverence is getting kind of silly

he wasnt perfect

You dont love someone because they are perfect.

Name 7.

name a white male hero that didn't end up like this

go ahead, I'll wait.

>slurped a bunch of sloth cum in front of a stranger
>left to a deserted island to kill himself because he tried to murder his nephew
>whine and cry like a bitch while ghost yoda burns down your jedi antiques for shits and gigs
>die from exhaustion like a pussy

Sheev

Mourning Luke's death is a symptom of alt-right derangement. The final feeble cry of white privilege.

/ourguy/

>Everything is political

Luke used his legendary status and exploited it to fool kylo and the first order. it was a selfless last act and is in tune with the luke we all knew

so whats your point? did luke's little false in judgement with kylo ruin his entire story for you? pathetic

Rey wasn't even there ffs.
Luke knew Rey went after Kylo, but didn't know they will be after bunch of Rezzies. He just happen to project himself in about right place.

>so whats your point? did luke's little false in judgement with kylo ruin his entire story for you?
not him but not his lapses in judgment, just the way it's told, it's told in flashbacks. It should have a lot more weight and it's not given the importance or screentime it deserves, they should have dealt with Luke and Kylo, in real time, for half the first movie.

it was important exposition for rey thats all it was, we didnt need to flesh kylo's origins

inb4 muh casino scene

yeah it slowed the film down bu nevertheless still important in the second and third act. its almost as if people who criticize the movie dont know how movies work

Get a life, loser. It's just a movie for kids. Just enjoy it or let it go.

You get to decide what canon you pay attention to, user. He can always live on in your heart despite what a soulless, shitty company says.

>he wasnt perfect
>a bad thing

but rey is

>be the hottest jedi ever
>manage to dabble with the dark side and not fall
>do insane things like force projection
>actually bring balance to the force
>don't do lightsaber heelspins & backflips for one movie
>brainlets be like: HURRRR HOW COULD THEY DO THIS TO MUH LUKE

die in a fire. luke owned in TLJ

If you strike me down I will be with you, always.
May the force be more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

Fucking brainlets.
Contrarian faggots.
You don't deserve this kino.

>imagine enjoying garbage this much

Will we get this kind of emotion in any of the new battles?

>imagine being sadbrained ultrafaggots unable to enjoy anything

How could a lover's quarrel ever appeal to any man more than the attempt to save his own father?

>They can't get away with this. Luke Skywalker was a folk hero. He can't go out like that.
Get away with what?

putting black people and women in the movie.
The whole TJL thing is a proxy culture war in Sup Forumss unending mission to make everything about them

Sup Forums is the eric cartman of the internet

If you can't see that Hollywood uses their movies as Trojan Horses for their preferred politics in the culture war I don't know what to tell you.

that is your biased interpretation, though

Okay, let me spell something out for you.

In the original trilogy, Obi-Wan's body and Yoda's body both disappear when they die. For a long time, people just thought that was part of what made a Jedi a Jedi. But then when the prequel trilogy was released, we saw Qui-Gon and, during the execution of Order 66, a ton of other Jedi die, and they just died like normal people. The reason for this discrepancy is because Obi-Wan and Yoda "died" while at complete peace and oneness with the Force. Obi-Wan died because he wanted to, and in doing so, became, just as he said, more powerful than Vader could imagine. Likewise, Yoda died after training Jedi and helping to spread the positive power of the Force for 900 years, and setting in motion the downfall of Palpatine. Qui-Gon, Windu, etc. all died violent, horrible deaths at the hands of others, not harmonious ones they chose.

When Luke disappears at the end of TLJ, there's a reason he does that rather than comically slumping over and falling off the cliff like a normal corpse. He "died" in the same way Obi-Wan "died". Now Luke is one with the Force, free of doubt or turmoil, as every Jedi should be at the end of their days. He hasn't "gone out" at all.

Not enough people consider this, there was a lot to disparage the movie for, but Luke "dying" was not one of them.

He went out like a coward hiding from his problems on a remote island while his friends fought and died for goodness in the universe.

One of Luke's defining traits in the OT was his unconditional loyalty to his friends and family. This is a man who willingly walked into a trap because his friends were in danger. Later on, he lets himself get captured by the Empire because he realizes his very presence puts his friend's mission in jeopardy.

He throws away his lightsaber in front of the most powerful dark side user in the galaxy, boldly proclaiming that he is a Jedi.

Luke has flaws in the original trilogy. He's reckless, impulsive, and compassionate to a fault. But he's not a bitch and he doesn't run away from problems.

Luke Skywalker in The Last Jedi IS a bitch. I'd have accepted it if he had shown up on his own to Crait, but that would have made too much sense for the story. Better just make it a projection for the sake of yet another twist.

This so much.

Plus, the whole point of the movie was that heroes of old are not perfect.Luke, the Rebellion, they have faults, they can lose hope. Rey and Yoda convince Luke to finally do what he said he couldnt/wouldnt do : face thee entire first order alone. Literally.
And not to dispense ass kicking with explosions like some nerds want, but to try once more to save his apprentice, and most of all to buy some time for the bearers of hope that the rebellion is.

He spent his last moments being the bringer of hope he was. Hell, everyone saw him and was like HOLY SHIT ITS LUKE!

He had a fucking journey to become Luke again, and in a wiser and more powerful way than he ever was.

You COMPLETELY missed the entire point of the movie. It's not even funny.

Probably the most popular in cinematic history, honestly, and the first one that a lot of people would be familiar with from watching SW as kids.

>does it ever make sense
Not for the story, no. It only makes sense if you have an agenda separate from the story, like to make sure you subvert as many audience expectations as possible, regardless of character or story consistency,

>lol just turn off your brain!

>Dude subversions

Explain.

They didn't adequately justify the complete 180 of Luke's character (and it probably would've taken most of the movie to do so because he behaved unlike Luke in literally every way).

it wasn't at peace though like obi wan and yoda, he fell from levitating onto his back and griped the rock for like two minutes looking dejected like he'd been suffering a heart attack, then he just disappears with his back to the camera after struggling to sit back onto the boulder. That was not a jedi at peace accepting his fate

LUKE NEVER EVEN GOT LAID

See The whole point of it is that he aged, changed. Lost hope, and Rey showed him up by being the one with the most hope, but he still needed Yoda to come and tell him "dude, forget about ths crummy old books and rules and shit. There's hope still, a new generation, just like you were for me, it is our job to be there for them and support them".

And that is exactly what he did by sacrificing himself.

It was at peace. he was tired from the huge effort, but he still was happy looking at the sunset. The dude litterally changed and evolved and became a legend (the kids telling the story of how he stood up againts the first order alone) between those two sunsets.

>The whole point of it is that he aged, changed.

See, this is the problem. Not that he changed, but that the evolution of his character doesn't make any sense. There's very little context. I can't reconcile the Luke I knew with the one on screen; they might as well just be different people.

Han and Leia were handled well in TFA. They felt like the same characters, but older and more experienced. It can be criticized that they were still doing the same shit they were doing before but hell, it's a Star Wars movie.

I always come back to that scene where Han is being confronted by the gangsters on his freighter and he says that he's going to talk his way out of it. That shows an understanding of Han's character--he thinks he's much more suave than he actually is, and that makes him endearing.

Luke is just like, "Eh, I'm completely different I guess. I didn't give up when Vader kicked my ass and chopped off my hand but I refuse to even attempt to fix my failure with Ben. No hope, NO HOPE."

That's a testament to the time passed and the dire situation he is in. the flash backs show you what happened, he explains it himself. he grew too confident, his hubris pushed him to believe he could handle Kylo with no issues, and when he started realizing he couldnt he messed up, and could not forgive himself for htat.

When he sayss the jedi need to die, and that they're full of hubris, he'ss talking about himself more than anything.

He changed, it is perfectly well explained through dialogue and flash backs, and his behavior.

It's all in the movie, you just gotta pay attention.

No, I got that. I just didn't like it or agree with that direction at all.

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And that's fine, but that's you going NOT MUH, not the movie's fault.

I swear, Angry Joe unwillingly summed up the source of the negative reactions : "you could have given me what I wanted but you didnt".

I'm not sure I agree about Leia because she really didn't get enough to do to establish a strong character in the new movies, but otherwise yes.

The movie justifies Luke's failure and arc by having him make a mistake that he wouldn't actually make: considering killing Ben before he had done anything. It's a sleight of hand that tricks you into thinking it's justified, but it actually isn't because it's all based on that out-of-character moment.
The Luke that we saw at the end of RotJ redeemed Vader and his first instinct was always to attempt a peaceful solution before a violent one. If he was really overconfident, then his failure would've been overlooking the red flags because he always saw the good in people, not overreacting to them, but they just made Luke do what he did to make Kylo more sympathetic instead (even though he's already the best character in the new movies).
>but he had a vision!
Luke learned in ESB that premonitions are unreliable and the future is still always in motion.

It's not out of character at all though. He grew to be convinced he could deal with the issue, realized he couldnt, and he messed up. It happens. That's a sign of him betraying himself and his ideals. That's the whole point. He held himself up to the same gold standard as you guys do, and he felt broken for failing to live up to it. That's development and new directions instead of making the characters stick to what fanboys think they should be.

Go out like what? By having the most awesome Jedi/force scene in the history of StarWars?

Fine. Put in pure storytelling criticism terms-- completely upending a beloved character's defining traits off screen is bad and done purely for shock value.

He absolutely can. Everything that comes before the Force Projection bit is the insulting part.

>off screen
It wasn't off screen when you have actual flash backs ot show you the defining moment.

it's the opposite though
literal brainlets throwing a fit because they a god damn disney film was too dense and unusual for them
you faggots don't understand dick if it was shoved in your mouth
all that exists for you is your retarded, baseless expectations, and when something doesn't meet them you throw a tantrum like 5 year olds

I wanted a well written movie. That’s it. They failed.

>Luke Skywalker was a folk hero. He can't go out like that.
He had a pretty epic death. Using all of his power and proving to be the most powerful Jedi, at least to our knowledge. Then going out on his own terms facing the double sunset like that. I don't know what more you could have asked for really.

No, they' succeeded. You're just not muh-ing like crazy.

>convinced himself he could deal with the issue, realized he couldn't
What made him realize he couldn't, though? Kylo Ren is obviously much more conflicted than Vader, and hadn't really done anything yet, so you can't say that he was further gone than Vader was. We also don't see Luke trying and failing to help him at all, which is necessary if you want to try and sell this.

The "defining moment" is the part that's out of character and requires "upending" Luke's traits, but all the development required to put Luke in that room with Ben happened off screen. I mean shit we had 3 movies of buildup before Anakin started killing kids and even that felt jarring.

>it's too smart cause it's like subversive
A half-assed deconstruction is easy to pass off to brainlets as "intelligent"

>durr hurr the writing is bad

That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

It shows his "attempted murder" (not really) of Kylo Ren. Which, as he rightfully points out, should be a moment of shame.

But the part I'm talking about is where he decided to leave his friends to die (something Luke would never do) and leave the galaxy to suffer (something Luke would never do).

To shut yourself off from the galaxy because of one moment, one mistake you made... he's no better than Kylo Ren. Except he's throwing a big boy tantrum instead of slicing a computer. He's taking his ball and going home.

Luke Skywalker in The Last Jedi is a bitch.

If you are serious about what you've typed out here, it is you, user, who is truly the brainlet.

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My plugin seems to be fucking up.

And he was a good friend.

>half-assed deconstruction
it's only half-assed if you are a contrarian retard who can't/won't give the events of the film an interpretation that fits the mythos of the previous film, and would rather vaguely whine about it instead.

the deconstruction was perfect: well put together and on point, and I haven't read a single argument that even comes close to disputing that

To be fair, everyone, but the old characters and Snoke could be cut.
>unnamed guys raid a planet
>Han Solo returning his ship and finding the map to Luke
>He goes to Lea and she tells him of the First Order and that they are to blame for soft coup in the Republic goverment that exiled Solo and turned her into a patrol squad commander.
>They managed to destroy the raider's space station and find Luke, but Solo gets killed, because Ford is deadset on it.
>Next movie, introduce more characters, Luke leads the attack on Snoke's home planet, that Luke found through Jedi archives
>Third movie, they destroy Snoke, Solo's killer, and reclaim Republic.

>Raid the planet to find Luke and prevent the heroes from finding Snoke's planet*

It's half-assed because it doesn't show you how it follows from the "mythos of the previous film" and makes you accept all this character development that happened off-screen, and also creates dissonance within its own themes.
>You gotta let go of the past
>Oh nevermind Rey still has the books so I guess the past still has value

>Don't sacrifice yourself to a cause if you're Finn
>But sacrifice is admirable if you're Admiral Purplehair or the other pilots driving next to Finn

>Don't have heroes, kids
>Oh and also Rey is a faultless and inspirational hero
>I guess just don't let Luke Skywalker be your hero
>Oh except for you broomboy

All of this characterization only occured in this film

>Oh nevermind Rey still has the books so I guess the past still has value
it was mostly symbolic
yoda helped luke let go and fulfill his destiny by burning the tree
and indeed luke got off his ass and helped after this
destroying invaluable ancient texts would be unnecessary and disingenuous

>But sacrifice is admirable if you're Admiral Purplehair or the other pilots driving next to Finn
It's not a fucking chick tracts dude. A character can have an opinion, and another can have a different opinion ALL IN THE SAME MOVIE. Crazy I know. Are you faggots so used to propaganda that having different views in the same piece of media is such an affront to you?

>Don't have heroes, kids
How did you even get that from this film??
Is that what you got from luke fucking off the galaxy for a while? that kids shouldn't have heroes?

You really should watch the movie again with your brain on and your contrarian off next time
You just might enjoy it

I don't get it
everything he ever fought for was 1 second away from being crushed completely, at most he bought a couple of days for them, costing his life. His nephew will forever think of him as a murderous twat and probably go on to slay more people he could have given a shit about.
How is that at peace?

Guys how does the map to Luke exist? I get how there might be a navigational map in R2D2's memory if Luke had flown there in his X-wing with R2 but then how did R2 get back to the Resistance? and how would the half map then end up in the hands of Old Man?

This film is canon. It is as much a part of SW history as ANH.

>defends TLJ
>calls others contrarian

No user, it's clear, you have a special insight here. You fucking faggot.

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>Mostly symbolic
Yes, of the history that the movie said to ignore

>characters' opinions can differ
Yes but both Finn not sacrificing himself, and the others sacrificing themselves, are portrayed as doing the right thing in the movie, and you really can't have it both ways there without undermining your theme

>Don't have heroes
>Is that what you got from Luke fucking off
The movie says that's why Luke failed and left.

>watch the movie again
t.shill

No, it was completely unnecessary if the new womyn president told poe that she has a plan to help them escape, because in the end the whole casino segment amounted to a big nothing burger for the plot .
You're a retard.

>Yes, of the history that the movie said to ignore
what does that even mean? did you expect exposition about the history of the jedi order in TLJ? I kind of was too but realized while watching that it would actually make for a pretty dull and pointless scene
but yes it is also symbolic of burning down the past, and erasing the EU if you want to get meta

>can't have it both ways there without undermining your theme
yes you can: some sacrifices are necessary, some are not. that was the moral, if you absolutely need one

>The movie says that's why Luke failed and left.
not because he fell into the dark side and had to force-lock himself to avoid an even worse fate for him and the galaxy? k.

>t.shill
download it then i don't give a shit. disney has enough money as it is

Why are there AT-Ats behind him?

Obi-Wan sacrificed himself in the flesh in front of Luke to teach him about the Force and to buy the rebels time to escape a situation that they couldn't get out of otherwise.

Luke didn't fight in person, didn't teach Rey a thing because she wasn't there to see it (and not Kylo, either, whom he only taunted), and died from exhaustion on some distant planet. Not to mention he didn't heroically fight or even turn his iconic green lightsaber on. It completely blue balls the fans for no reason. Why not just appear inside the base, guide the resistance to the rock pile, and clear it?

And why was Luke's sacrifice even needed in the script? Finn was about to save the day through this own self-sacrifice and then he has his effort destroyed by a love interest that we don't even believe in (she likes him, but there is ZERO interest coming from him). So Luke has to die because a failed female love interest chooses to prevent Finn's heroic sacrifice?

This movie is pure fucking subversion and it is a disgrace.

>MUH LUKE

Maybe it's because I'm not a knuckledragging fanboy but I'm glad they gave him an actual arc instead of having him show up, look bored and do nothing except die like Han Solo in TFA.

HES NOT A HERMIT THOSE ARE JEDI FARMER ROBES.

Luke lifted the X wing and destroyed every single one of the ATs blasting at him like starkiller wielding 2 motherfucking green lightsabers

he then rescued rei and died to snoke while giving the resistance time to escape

also snoke noticed kylo trying to kill him and cut his hand off as punishement

I like to pretend this is how the movie ended
fuck disney