One of my biggest fears about the button story is modern writers writing for Rorschach...

One of my biggest fears about the button story is modern writers writing for Rorschach. I don't want them to tone down the character to fit the PC frame set. It would honestly ruin him.

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>I don't want them to tone down the character to fit the PC frame set.
Odds are he will be overly edgy.

Face the facts, we are talking about the company that greenlit Before Watchmen.

>I don't want them to tone down the character to fit the PC frame set.

Don't worry. Maybe you'll get some more TIME TO SHIT from Azz.

The fuck are they gonna tone down he was basically a more edgy Batman

I just hope they don't make him anything but a staunch Republican. He's conservative as fuck and would've voted for Trump in a heart beat in modern times and would have no problem telling everyone he did to. I'm not saying they have to bring it up, but they can't try and claim he's liberal or progressive. That would be stupid.

But he's dead.

I really don't think he would have lol.

But is he though?

he kills rapists, sjws will love him

Why not? He's pretty damn conservative in the comics to a fault. He's a stubborn asshole too. He's honestly the type of person I'd see voting for Trump considering he hates all liberals.

>Implying Rorschach would vote

I'm sorry, but you seem to have shiggy'd the whole diggy

>Implying DC wont bring him back ASAP during Rebirth.

Considering Rorschach was based on Ditko’s Mr. A and the Question, I think he’s rather a hard Libertarian/Objectivist rather than a shitty conservative. I don’t think he would’ve voted for Trump (nor for Gary Johnson anyway).

He voted for Ronald Reagan.

Trump would probably condemn (as much as condemns any other thing, at least) vigilantes and stuff.

You're a retard if you believe any of this or care.

He voted for Ronald Reagan and wrote a paper in why he thought dropping the bombs on Japan was a good thing. He liberals and pedophiles practically held hands (figuratively) in many of his papers and notes. He hates women too because of his mother and it's obvious he carried this thought over to women in general because he didn't like to handle women's clothing and thought most women were whores and sluts. He's pretty damn conservative.

there literally has not been a president other than Nixon since the 60s in the Watchmen universe.

I don't remember any of this damn

>he's conservative as fuck

bullshit. he's a conspiracy theorist. he's be so far to the left once he researched the history of the CIA your head would explode.

by the way, liberals are right of center capitalists. liberal economists are the economists that right wing libertarians study

also, the word "libertarian" is a stolen word. it originally meant leftist and anti-authoritarian because the word "anarchist" had been banned in france. liberal economists took the word and used it do push a corporatist agenda

none of those things are conservative, they're just /r9k/.

fuck this shitty thread.

I meant Nixon then. I mixed up the two because Ronald was mentioned a lot in the comics as well. But he did vote Nixon, or at least supported him. And I'm certain that Rorschach mentioned admiring his father he never met and imagined his father was a staunch republican.

>wrote a paper in why he thought dropping bombs on japan was a good thing

citation

>He's a conspiracy theorist
Have you been to Sup Forums at all? Ever heard of Pizza Gate?

>he voted nixon

citation

It's in the Watchmen comic itself. I believe it's after the chapter where he's being analyzed by the psychiatrist and they were looking at his personal history. Something he wrote when he was in school.

>all conspiracy theorists are the same
>all conspiracies are ridiculous

lol you're stupid as fuck.

Anyone get the feeling Rorschach is going to be replacing The Question?

Why would he be there at all? The man fucking died

Jesus Christ I hate this whole stupid concept, we all would have laughed at the very idea of this years ago

i don't think that happened. post a pic of what you're talking about or GTFO

But the other user said he'd be extremely left-wing just because he was a conspiracy theorist.
I don't believe he would've voted for Trump but the dude was still pretty bigoted.

Reminder that the CIA literally shot people up with morphine in one arm and LSD in the other to experiment with truth syrums and ted kazcynski was one of the people they experimented on.

This is not conspiracy theory. This is all declassified fact.

/r9k/ is the modern conservative, though

>"I like President Truman, the way Dad would of wanted me to. He droppedt he atom bomb on Japan and saved millions of lives because if he hadn't of, then there would of been a lot more war than there was and more people would of been killed. I think it was a good thing to drop the atom bomb on Japan." - Walter Kovacs in his Charlton Home paper
Chapter VI

bigoted against who?

>conspiracy theorists are bigots
the fuck are you talking about

>the word "anarchist" had been banned in france
You can't make this shit up.
Europe: Not even once

Actually the President he most admired was Truman (a Democrat).

But nonetheless I fucking doubt Walter Kovaks voted.

It's literally in the backup of Fearful Symmetry (I believe) along with the drawn picture of his mom and some john fucking.

Reminder that the both largest police action against the american people and the largest, deadliest race riot in american history were both because of a progressive liberal's president's direct action.

riiiiight, because what rorschach wrote as a kid has total influence over his adulthood.... thank you for providing evidence, at least.

>Charlton Home

Ha! I never fucking got the reference to his Orphanage being the name of the comic company the whole Watchmen idea was based off.

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He justified Truman's decisions but he didn't vote, or didn't mention voting anywhere that I recall.
He's a conservative, but he probably sees politicians as criminals considering his absolute and objectivist points of views on right and wrong.

You might be right, he might not have voted. But I still thinks he's conservative

>"Slept all day. Awoken at 4:37 Landladay complain about smell. She has five children by five different fathers. I am sure she cheats on welfare." -Rorshachs Journal October 13th, 1985

>Meeetin with Veidt left bad taste in mouth. He is pampered and decadent, betraying even his own shallow, liberal affectations. Possibly homosexual? Must remember to investigate further. -Rorschach's Journal October 13th, 1985 8:30 p.m.

Pretty sure he also think Comedian is an American hero deserving of respect.

>He hates women too because of his mother and it's obvious he carried this thought over to women in general because he didn't like to handle women's clothing and thought most women were whores and sluts.

How is that indicative of him being a Republican exactly?

You're literally proving that you missed the WHOLE FUCKING POINT of Watchmen.

What happened to Rorschach as a kid is very influential on his thought as an adult. Him being uncomfortable around women is due to his mother having been a prostitute.

His "admiration" of Truman is a massive part of the reason why he commits suicide by Dr Manhattan because he cannot actually deal with his convictions upon such a scale.

You either haven't read Watchmen, or lack any reading comprehension.

Sounds like a modern conservative voter to me

This. It honestly does desu.

Oh, I'm not arguing that Rorschach doesn't have very conservative views, especially as far as morals are concerned. But I think saying he's a poster boy for Conservatism is wrong.

And you're correct he does idolise Edward Blake. The whole fucking crux of his story is investigating Eddie's murder after all.

>was abused violently as a kid, hence his hatred for anything sexual and feminine
>believed his father was a soldier who died serving his country, hence his admiration of President Roosevelt and, later, the Comedian who he also saw as a soldier doing his job for America
>was bullied and generally lived hellishly, hence his immediate concern and empathy for all children in similar positions, including the little girl whose death drove him fucking insane to begin with

>lol nothing he did as a kid had any influence over his adulthood

This is either really good bait or a great example why nu/co/ sucks balls.

I never said he was a poster boy. Pretty sure he was supposed to be a warning about staunch conservatism.

I don't get it personally.

So if he had been a liberal but experienced the same level of abuse, he'd be totally different with his attitudes?

Can we keep in mind that he is a caricature of a conservative because Alan Moore is a fucking dick that thinks all right wingers are nazis and he wanted to make Rorschach an utterly dislikable piece of shit?
It's incredibly infantile how he treated him. "Oh, he's a conservative, so of course he hates women and sexuality, because all conservatives do! Of course he's a violent sociopath!". It was super lazy, but it backfired greatly because he turned to be the most relatable character to most readers.

Pretty much this. I believe I saw an article online where Alan Moore was surprised and saddened that so many readers like Rorschach.

While Rorschach does hold conversative views I think he's more meant to be a "warning" against having uncompromising views on either scale.

The thing is though is that Rorschach is a really good example of the Hypercrisis in that Moore wanting to make him this despicable character who's name, outlook, and philosophy is meant to evoke revulsion but instead he's the most endearing, likable, and human character within Watchmen; showing/proving that sometimes the characters speak rather than the writer.

rorschach was never a kid. Walter Kovacs was a kid.

>he cannot actually deal with his convictions upon such a scale

congrats, you have just described manhattan. or am i wrong? perhaps manhattan had no convictions and that's why the world was going to end, because manhattan was a fucking pushover.

OP's caption talks about today's PCness, not the cold war propganda of the 80s.

once again, OP talks about today's PCness, not bullshit nationalism from the 80s during the cold war in a dysopian scenario with nixon

"Traps are totally gay" rorsharch is a reactionary, calling him a conservative is sort of like calling Che Guevera a socialist.

Bigots thrive in numbers in both parties user. But his logic is idiotic, so don't pay it too much mind.

Perhaps if all you learned about modern conservatives is from Sup Forums or the daily kos. He's farther off the political mainstream than Huey Freeman, relatively speaking.

I think it's more open ended than that. He's supposed to be above all single minded and uncompromising in his sense of morality.

Agreed. The guy who is posting has obviously never read Watchmen (the book and movie are the same right?!).

To be fair I'd be surprised if even 5% of regular Sup Forums users (and the comic not cartoon ones at that) have read Watchmen.

if rorschach had access to the internet, he would no longer be conservative or nationalist for that matter

i've read watchmen. go fuck yourself.

I think you're just overly sensitive and took it personally.

The fiasco with Hillary and the riots of Anti-Fa would only push Rorschach further to the right.

>He's supposed to be above all single minded and uncompromising in his sense of morality.

That was kind of what I was saying hereIn that while Rorschach has "conservative" values he's more of a warning against having uncompromising views in general.

Then why didn't you believe me when I said Rorschach supported the bombing in Japan? It's right there in the comics at the end of chapter VI.

Not that user, but Moore is objectively pretty juvenile and petty. Not even politically. Just look at his one LOEG that goes through the different decades.

I didn't, I like Alan Moore. I'm just repeating his own words. He himself said no one should ever relate to Rorschach and it's troubling if someone does.
He describes him as pretty much the worst human being, a Batman with no self respect in his words, who have given up any human aspect of himself to be his ideal of justice.

Then how come you seemed completely miffed about Rorschach endorsing Truman? How much you implied that Rorschach's childhood had no effect on him as an adult?

This user sums it up really well Also if you have read Watchmen two questions:

>What journal does Daniel Drieberg get published in?
>What is the name of Nite Owl I's book?

>anyone but Alan Moore writing Rorschach properly

Then maybe he shouldn't have given him such a tragic backstory and an even worse death.

I don't get Moore's logic. Yes, Rorschach is incredibly conservative to the point of bigotry but it doesn't stop him from doing his job or helping others, and while he's incredibly violent it's not like Moore goes out of his way to show that anything horrible he does to others is undeserved. Pretty much everyone Rorschach brutalizes and tortures attack him first or end up being horrible criminals, with the exception of the people in the bar he goes to interrogate in the opening issue.

Do people just act like Rorschach is some wanton serial killing racist because his fanbase is so edgy and irritating, or is that really all they saw him as when they read the comic?

Right, that's exactly how I feel. If it wasn't for the scenario where he was brought up in, he would be much closer to the Comedian.
If Rorschach existed today I feel that he would be completely anarchistic, anti-establishment and anti-status quo, the same ones that outlawed his mask.
He only had some admiration for Truman due to the era and his father.

Yeah and I agree with you about that but the idea that Moore made him a bad person to shit on conservatives? That's kinda dumb.

What the fuck are you babbling about, you nut?

I think Moore thought that the most human character, and the one the readers should gravitate towards was Nite Owl II.

But Hypercrisis baby!

Can someone explain to me why anyone thinks he'll show up?

The motherfucker is dead

It wasn't to shit on conservative, he was using his own biases to form a character, something every writer is guilty of to an extent.
I think Rorschach is a well written character but sometimes he's extremely one dimensional, being a conservative defines him. As an example, how he attached himself to conservative publications (The Frontiersman) and refuses everything else, thus getting his information from a single biased source.

>I don't get Moore's logic.

When discussing him you have to keep in mind he has a very low opinion of the intelligence of anyone other than him.

He genuinely believes readers are so dumb that when they'd see that Rorschach was the most violent (save for Comedian) they would automatically associate him as a bad guy.

I'm not sure about Rorschach but The Comedian would totally vote for Trump.

I've known a few people and have read about even more who relate to Rorschach because of his childhood and how you can make an argument for him being a victim of sexual abuse.

There's actually a really good article about it and how he's actually empowering in that respect, but I'm having a hell of a time trying to find it.

A part of me really hopes this is the case. The only Watchmen stuff I'm okay with showing up are Dr Manhatten, Rorschach's journal, and maybe Ozymandias.

Another part of me is almost positive DC's greed will put in EVERYTHING which would be a damn shame.

Hopefully they decide on going with story rather than money/gimmicks.

>Thinking people stay dead in comics

>Most popular character of Watchmen save for possibly Manhattan.

>Not capitalizing on it.

I'm willing to put money on the fact that the reveal will be that he never actually exploded Rorschach, just transported him to the DC Universe.


Or maybe Flash will find him in the speedforce falling while screaming "RRRRRAAAAAARRRRRLLLLL"

There's a difference between reading it and memorizing every page.

I think more like only 10% have a really good understanding of what the fuck went on in Watchmen, at a level above a few memorable scenes and memes.

If regular times square prostitutes trigger rorsharch, I can only imagine what modern gender identity or transexuals would do to him.

>Do people just act like Rorschach is some wanton serial killing racist because his fanbase is so edgy and irritating, or is that really all they saw him as when they read the comic?

I suspect that many people think that racial bigotry is a completely irredemable sin. And the dude is a hateful, violent, cold motherfucker.

Since when does death stop anyone in the big 2? And even then, Deadman X Rorsharch, adventures in the afterlife. Guest starring Dr Fate and the Spectre.

That's funny because Dan ends up becoming one of the worst characters by the end who has absolutely no issues with letting Veidt have his way and doesn't give a shit about his partner being murdered as long as he gets to bang Laurie.

And this is coming from someone who likes Dan. If Rorschach's primary negative trait is hypocrisy, Dan's is selfishness.

Honestly fucking kill yourself, you clearly have the mind and constitution of a small child

There's a thing some writers like to do where they intentionally set up a person with personality flaws that ends up getting them killed in the end. I think Moore was trying to say to the readers, "See? If you're a shitty person you'll end up being disintegrated by a glowing blue dick." Kind of like a come uppence story.

Kovacs,W. (1983) 'Why Dropping Bombs on Japan was a Good Thing'.

>has absolutely no issues with letting Veidt have his way and doesn't give a shit about his partner being murdered
Hmmm you are completely wrong

It's hilarious when characters beat up their writers.

It just amuses me so much.

>tfw you hide under the covers when you go to sleep the SJWs don't cut your dick off

When will their terror end?

>one of the most beloved characters in comics and THE face of Watchmen
>literally, LITERALLY, written to be a huge jab against Batgod (and the Question)
>people still talk about his death to this day and argue about the fairness of it
>not expecting DC to wheel him out in some form or other

It's happening. I don't know how, but it will.

>kid kovacs endorsing truman
>the same as rorschach endorsing truman

you're reaching. sticking to your morals in the face of armageddon does not mean that rorschac was fine with people dying. it simply means he was going to stick with his morals.

No, that doesn't make any sense. Rorschach also really hates communists, and there's no way to sugar coat this, but there's a lot of communists in the liberal party right now. And no matter what you can also say Rorschach believes he loves his country. He muses on commercial coka-cola products when he's strolling by the whores. Part of Rorschach's character is his abusive childhood leading him to hate his mother which eventually led to women. He'd hate feminism in the modern day. And you can't get rid of his character traits otherwise he wouldn't be Rorschach anymore and there would be no point in talking about it.

I like Rorschach the most, but I side with Dan on the Ozymandias conundrum. Morals aren't black and white like Walter thinks, they are grey, they are human artificies.
This was a matter of living with a terrible secret, carrying that on your back for the rest of life, in exchange of saving the entire human race and everything it has accomplished and will accomplish.
Rorschach was kinda more selfish, he was willing to kill the entire world just because something wasn't right, because he would never compromise.

you can stop gaslighting now

>There's a difference between reading it and memorizing every page.

It's a kind of a big part of his character because it shows that he's just a hypocrite that doesn't really strongly believe in what he claims to.

I didn't memorized it either. I just recalled reading something like that, skimmed to the page where I found it, then gave you the source. You did read the interludes, right?

It's a valid concern.

Rorschach openly hates Liberals and women. Part of his likability is his questionable morals. It would take away from the character if they took that away.

if they include him at all, I don't see them inserting Rorscharch as anything but an antagonist

>is pacified enough to accept Veidt's offer to stay the night and sleep with Laurie, and makes no attempt to strike back no matter how pointless it may have been
>makes absolutely no indication that he knows about Rorschach's death let alone feels the slightest bit of grief about it

Hmmm you only watched the movie didn't you?