>“Poe originally went on the journey with Finn to Canto Bight. And it was boring," Johnson explains "It was just these two dudes on an adventure. I knew something was wrong when I looked at their dialogue and realized I could interchange any of the lines. There wasn’t conflict between them. So I realized I had to come up with something else. Finn needing somebody else to go with who would actually challenge him and push him and contrast with him was where Rose came from.”
>implying it was to defuse the bromance It was boring because it was two dudes. The force being female now, they pulled a chink out of nowhere and made that subplot about her.
Carter Long
If Poe was still in the female Viets role, would he have to kiss Finn after he saves him from his self-sacrifice?
Camden Torres
The casino scene does sound a lot less narratively contrived if it's Finn and Poe. Instead of some autistic ruse, it would just appear to the resistance that Finn and Poe had become deserters - tempting them with actual motivation to maybe just stay put on the safe and fun casino planet instead of return to the perhaps doomed space ship and yet overcoming it because they gotta do what's right. (plus cutting the shitty animal rights angle)
Plus the 'arc' of Poe coming to realize that being a hero isn't always the best idea, or at least what they were going for, would be far better realized if Poe had been active and heroic and collecting the ultimately worthless hacker.
It still wouldn't explain why Admiral Purple Hair didn't just tell him the plans from the start, but you could justify that if they actually stated they thought there was an imperial spy within their ranks.
Sebastian Carter
>It was just these two dudes on an adventure
gosh thank god he saved us from fun and enjoyment, lectures about injustice are so much better than two bros on a cool adventure
Leo Johnson
BASED
MASTERPIECE
RISKY
NEW
BOLD
Jeremiah Morales
Is this the way Rian talks?
>"Something something something. And it's bad."
He said the same thing about Snoke, and a bunch of other decisions he made.
Ian Perez
can't imagine anyone that would want to see >Finn and Poe: Buddy Cops or >Lethal Weapon Force Rian's literally admitting that his characters are so shallow and have so little to them that he can't have them on the same screen or else people can't tell the difference between the two.
Ryan Kelly
THat'd be a cool arc. Maybe Poe is depressed that his heroics got a lot of people killed, and now he wants to stay at the Casino, but Finn, who used to runaway from things, has to bring him around.
Just no fucking stupid animal chase.
Hunter Brown
>There wasn’t any conflict, so I completely fucking changed the entire subplot and created an entirely new character Yeah, because you couldn’t just like, oh I don’t know... maybe write different dialogue?
Ayden Foster
"Finn wants to desert, Rose teaches him the importance of the Resistance" can easily be achieved with Poe too. Dude is ride or die for the rebellion.
Jaxson Morris
Coincidentally China banned gay couples in movies.
Levi Martin
Based Rian BTFO the gays
Charles Richardson
Based China
Brayden Cox
Maybe it was boring because you wrote it Rian.
Why does live always have to be a factor? Reminds me of his Looper script and how Emilt Blunt fucks JGL. Comes from left field and is pretty much unnecessary.
Ian Wright
He clearly has very late stage soy poisoning. His penis and testicles have probably fully retracted by now
Gabriel Jones
>It was just two dudes having amazing adventures and fun times in an exciting galaxy where anything might be around the corner... BOOOOORING
Asher Hill
Which is funny because I found Finn, Rose and Poe all shallow and they constantly had similar quips.
And yeah, a Finn and Poe could have been boring. But it would have propelled the fan fic that they're gay. Or that Poe is.
Adam Nelson
>Poe blames himself for DJ's betrayal. >Wants to kamikaze the battering ram. >Finn is the one that saves him because he's learned the worth of not running away and the Resistance still needs Poe. >"Failure is the greatest teacher".
Michael Price
Oh I simply can't imagine how anywhere from 2 to 10% of the male population had a huge wish to see Finn and Poe together on a amazing adventure! They could have held hands and hugged and it wouldn't be offensive at all, they could have had a lovers quarrel, that's a lot more progressive than just inserting some random Inuit Eskimo from Chinatown nobody wants.
Evan Edwards
>Poe and Finn go to Casino >Poe now isn't on the Raddus, eliminating the need for Holdo >Ackbar now Kamikazes the Supremacy (If we must) >Finn and Poe both grow as characters from having the "Good guys bad guys" talk with Del Toro
Even the casino could've been kind of a good thing! Imagine that.
Isaiah White
Wow what a fuckin faggot.
Brody Long
>this is how shitty the writing was damn
Logan Ross
>it was just two dudes on an adventure How much of a retard is this guy? That's the premise of most great works of fiction!
Leo Davis
thats odd. Finn and Poe are two different totally different characters Why must we be robbed of Lethal Weapon in Space
Levi Perez
>Finn wants to desert, AGAIN?
Aiden Hughes
the funny thing is that poe and finn doing nothing together would probably still be entertaining, yet on paper it spunds awful. me and a friend were recently discussing how the walkimg dead suxks but the best scenes or episode seemed to just be two people walking along doing nothing except talking, like rick and shane in S1 amd S2. imagine during fellowship they filmed some scenes of boromir and aragorn walking along doing nothing except talking about gondor or the fellowship, would never get funded, but would be entertaining, better than hobbit.
Xavier Gonzalez
When the going gets tough, the negro will often resort to his most basic instinct: running away.
Robert Perry
Or have Finn actually crippled in some way, so he wants to desert, but Poe changes his mind by being brash. But then a reversal at Canto Blight, where Poe realizes he just leads people to die and wants to leave the Resistance to fail, but Finn has to bring him around.
Eli Miller
The right decision.
Kevin Reyes
Hmmm if he couldn't tell the character apart from their dialogue, maybe he is bad at writing dialogue and he doesn't really understand the characters?
Jordan Nguyen
to be fair there there is only a few hours between Force Awakens ends and Last Jedi starts. So Finn is still basically the same person...he just wanted to get away from First Order. he was only brave so he could save his friend Rey. its only by the end of Last Jedi that he considers himself """""rebel"""""".
Aaron Ward
>"I changed the character into an Asian woman because the studio pressured me and now I have to justify it to an interviewer"
He can't even avoid describing it as "two dudes on an adventure" - he liked the original script better. However, he was an indie nobody being bankrolled by a multi-billion-dollar production house and he had no choice but to be their little bitch and inject their social-media-tested politics into the movie.
Disney doesn't actually care about race or gender, nobody in the first world actually does, however people pretend to care as a way of seeking public approval on the internet, and Disney knows full well that there is an endless vein of money to be tapped by simply enabling that behaviour. Narcissistic millennial fuckwits are the juiciest demographic because they have disposable income but are hopelessly impulsive spenders and will do or say anything at all if they think it will get them likes and follows.
Jackson Price
blacks a spineless sniveling cowards in the star wars universe apparently.
Anthony Hill
>we could've had a fun buddy cop type subplot REEEEEEEE
William Williams
but did they still kiss?
Henry Smith
But that sounds great. These two characters are supposed to be considered friends, so why then deprive of us actual screentime cementing that? It would have actually been a much more positive message to kids to show that platonic friendship is sometimes all you need to get through hardship rather than having Finn transfer his feelings of needing a woman to be his purpose from Rey to Rose.
Alexander Garcia
1000000 times better than what we got desu
Isaac Davis
...
Joshua Kelly
Noooooooooooo, why? You killed the best Star Wars couple.
Samuel Lopez
What a idiot. One of the only redeeming parts of TFA was their chemistry, why would you remove that?
Benjamin Butler
I learned to speak basic soy in university, let me provide a rough translation: >I knew something was wrong when I looked at their dialogue and remembered I'm a fucking hack. >So I realized I had to add a woman, so that anyone questioning the quality of the writing would be a sexist.
Elijah Lopez
Now you have gif related instead and if you dont like it you're a racist fat persons hater. Stay rekt /lgbt/
Xavier Campbell
Good job removing the only expanded dynamic TFA had. Characters have no fucking chemistry in this dead husk of a trilogy.
Wyatt Smith
>It was just these two dudes on an adventure. That sounds great.
Sebastian Campbell
...
Noah Butler
Would this be more interesting? >Finn is former FO, he tries to desert but is captured and accused of being the mole. >Poe stages a mutiny and it fails landing him also in the brigg > Finn invents the thing about the tracking system to convince Poe to escape. With the help of a heartbroken BB8 that is told to keep fighting with the resistance they manage to do so. > Finn confesses to Poe that he wanted to desert, a big fight >they arrive at a planet (random spaceport) and they split. > Finn meets Lando, who has been pillaging from old Rebel bases to make some dough. Pissed at the operation he confronts him and gets to know of the base at planet red salt >Lando has a small ship with cloak technology quite unique. > Finn goes to Poe with the plan to rescue the resistance from the escaping cruiser using Lando's ship to ferry people to the red salt planet base.
Nolan Wright
Not bad at all desu, and you managed to place Lando in there in a role that makes sense. Making the tracking system thing up doesn’t make much sense though, cuz it clearly happened. Maybe I’m not reading that line correctly.
Sebastian Perry
>There wasn’t conflict between them. God forbid we think of one, right? I would have preferred it if they used that sequence to develop existing characters. Also, it would have felt even more like an old school Battlestar Galactica episode with Apollo and Starbuck going to some wacky planet to help the fleet.
Gabriel Taylor
This is lightyears better.
Thomas Baker
All I wanted was podracing when they walk outside to the track :(
Dominic Price
Or swoop racing. That would be badass.
Tyler Garcia
I'd much rather see them fuck on screen then watch then the fat Asian kiss that we got.
Xavier Sullivan
Finn and Poe could spend a hour of movie time chilling in the Resistance mess hall and it would still be kino
Owen Peterson
He cares more about Rey than the Resistance so it's not outside of his character to want to go look for her.
Carter Garcia
>Rose was created just for that plot point alone LMAO
Jaxson Perry
this would have made the scene towards the end make so much more sense
>Finn tries to drive into the cannon, sacrificing himself >Poe, having learned that brash, spontaneous decisions in battle end badly more often than not decides to ram Finn's ship out of the line of fire
William Collins
Did you not read what Rian said?
Poe and Finn, two of the main protagonists of the two trilogy, literally cannot be in a subplot together because it would be boring. There is no way to not make it boring; if there was, then the brilliant Rian Johnson would have found it.
Thank god for Rose. I really would have hated this movie to have characters I give a shit about.
Ethan Evans
holy shit
Rian and Disney are fucking bastards. You took what would've been the coolest, most comfy subplot in the entire film and fucked its shit up.
Also, Poe stopping Finn's sacrifice would've made way more sense in the narrative than Rose's feels bullshit,
Jaxson Hill
Why aren't you directing movies for Disney? Oh wait, that's right because they would actually be good and we cannot have that.
Brody Reed
>The one thing everyone agreed on that was good in TFA was Finn & Poe's broship >Let's cut that out
Rian must really fucking hate the fans more than Lucas
Gavin Roberts
That sounds so good
Aiden Edwards
>Looks at her like "gross, is this what rape feels like?"
John Gray
Holy fucking shit. What percentage of this numale's body consists of soy?
Nathan Howard
Outside of his bizarre suppression of the original versions of the OT, I never really thought Lucas hated the fandom.
Mason Harris
>I knew something was wrong when I looked at their dialogue and realized I could interchange any of the lines.
Rian admitting the characters are flat and interchangeable.
Colton Howard
she looks like ass in the movie, but is way cuter when not playing as Rose.
Gavin Jenkins
GOD FUCKING DAMMIT
First it was that "I'm from Jakku" "So? I'm from Tattooine" post, now this.
This movie could have been good SO EASILY if just a few small changes were made.
Carter Jenkins
A Finn/Poe buddy adventure could have unironically saved this segment and elevated much of the movie.
Just more proof Rian is an turbo hack, I guess.
Asher Morgan
>kiss black guy >die
James Walker
>I knew something was wrong when I looked at their dialogue and realized I could interchange any of the lines Doesn't that mean your characters have no personality? Write something better then, brainlet. Jesus
Carson Nguyen
>Opportunities to make a Star Wars movie more like Star Wars keep presenting themselves >Rian takes the other path everytime >The movie is shit because of it
Joseph Collins
It also makes no sense. Finn is humorously cowardly, Poe is brash and wisecracking. They have very different personalities.
Xavier Miller
>Rian Johnson values stroking his own ego over the audience having fun at a fantasy movie
Asher Smith
>Poe originally went on the journey with Finn to Canto Bight. And it was boring, I like how this is somehow Poe's fault and could be fixed by throwing a girl in, instead of the fault being on how stupid the whole casino plot was in the first place
John Evans
I don't even think it's about that, it's just bad screenwriting. Why dilute your pool of main characters even further for no reason? The trio of Finn, Rey, and Poe is more than enough protagonists, especially with Luke being in this one.
Jonathan Ross
It's almost like dude subversion lmao doesn't in the NINTH entry of a black and white good vs. evil space fantasy
Jace Long
Now they just need to ban Star Wars for showing a rice woman getting shitted. Time the SJWs at Disney get a taste of reality.
Liam Barnes
Well if (((JJ))) had killed Finn like he was supposed to it would have worked. Instead Poe and Finn are the same character.
Dylan Gomez
This is kino compared to the shit we got.
Bentley Johnson
about 56%
Ryder Lopez
>Poe originally went on the journey with Finn to Canto Bight. And it was boring, >and it was boring.
and the final product in TLJ wasn't? Canto Bight is literally the worst subplot I've ever heard of. First of all it's entirely worthless, it accomplished nothing, secondly it completely detracts from the "battle of the galaxy" which is supposedly being fought in space, especially since the two dumb cunts go out of their way to save a bunch of dumb space horses
Hudson Nelson
Finn was never meant to die.
Jordan Jones
>"you know what this needs? A fat ugly Asian preferrably one without any acting experience"
And a group of executives said YES!!!
Wyatt Wilson
You know, Finn should be the one who knew about the arms' dealers there. It would disturb the scales between the two, Poe becoming conflicted about the Resistance. Also, no sad rabbit-camels.
But sure, blame your disability to write characters on their dicks.
Brody Sanders
>scene opens and we see the morning glare of twos suns >close up of a choclate hand running down a white hairy chest leading to curly happy trail >Finn unzips poes pants and we see a tuft of dark pubic hair >"oh I love sprinkles on muh cone" >heavy breathing >"I like yur saber heres muh saber. How bout a saber fight" >"oh yeah melt your choclate icecream on muh saber"
Ian Campbell
The more I think about it the more pissed I get.
By splintering the trio into three separate arcs the movie could no longer sustain itself.
It was a movie about the spaceship equivalent of OJ's low speed chase with an extraneous sideplot about Casinoworld.
Had Poe and Finn gone on the adventure together the low speed chase would have been a background event while Casinoworld, though still stupid, would have been the focus of that half of the movie.
One half is Rey learning from Luke and getting to know Kylo Ren, the other is Finn and Poe on a rescue mission to save the Rebellion.
Instead Rian made the decision to split the B-plot into two weaker halves. Now Finn is off with some fucking stupid character we don't know or care about, while Poe is stuck on the ship stupidly being locked out of the loop by Dr Satler. Had they stayed together they would have built on the bond from the last movie while avoiding the plot hole of why Dr Satler didn't tell Poe what the actual plan was, because he wouldn't have been there.
Rian's decision on this part of the story could very well have been the decision that wrecked the movie.
Parker Bailey
yeah. I remember that Poe was the one who was originally meant to die in TFA.
Jaxon Gutierrez
Poe has played a role in the acquisition of resources for the Resistance, in the comic he is involved with all sorts of operations for Leia, so it wouldn't make sense for him to be oblivious to his boss's deals.
Anyway, SW is an idealistic universe and the mere equating Resistance to FO shows how much this people despises it. Nihilistic characters do not have the right to show how this world operates because they do not belong. It is not crazy to believe that Leia has equipped the Resistance with old hardware from the Republic fleet that had been squirreled away here and there, and now it is canon that it has been provided by some shady dealer that sells top shelf equipment to the FO and old junk to the Resistance. This makes me mad.
no need for a tracking system, because there would be an actual mole...some pudgy faced Asian lady.
Connor Long
Why exactly can't Poe be the one to tell that he hates the First Order because of his childhood?
Nathan Ramirez
>2 dudes on an adventure is boring So it's confirmed Rian Johnson doesn't like boats?
Joseph Foster
> two dudes on an adventure
Yeah, that doesn't sound very 'Star Wars'. Glad they changed it to include a chick preaching about social justice.
John Wright
numales wouldn't understand
Christopher Evans
he's right, 2 dudes on an adventure was never good and never provided conflict.
Chase Edwards
Solid theme-work, son.
Gavin Jackson
Read between the lines. Kathleen Kennedy probably forced the change.
Elijah King
Yep, that goober never had a bestie growing up. Little forever alone momma's boy manlet hanging with the girls, and not in the clever way.
That's why Brick is full of dudes that talk like 1940s movie gangsters, and that one DudeBro guy who a misogynist rape murderer. He had to imagine how guys talk to each other.
Ryder Phillips
Their friendship felt forced from second one and if you liked it you're part of what's wrong with new Star Wars. Not that this was any better but still, fuck those 2